New Baccarat Player
What needs to be done is Cuomo needs to stop being a real piker and allow table games all across the NY state instead of trying to pump up economic development in areas of upstate NY that are desolate crap holes to begin with.
That is why the major players like Wynn, Adelson and MGM for instance are staying away from building in NY because of that sole restriction of not allowing table games around the NY Metro area for sevens years.
Quote: gr8player
Toughie session on Thursday night is draining....understand that I don't play every hand, I play a very deliberate and patient game, so when it's not going as well as planned, it can be (and is) a bit draining, as my recoup process is a conservative one....understand also that I work for a living, I'm up at 6:30 a.m. on Thursday morning to get to work, then I leave at 5 p.m. and pick up a rental car and drive 2 1/2 to 3 hrs then check-in and buy-in...all done late that same night...so when Thursday night sessions are difficult ones, it is draining on me in every sense of the word.
That all said, I was still able to "fight it off" (read: come out on top or even). As I've said countless times, loss avoidance is paramount to any serious player's play. Why? Well, simply witness my next session on Friday afternoon. A "breeze" of a win. And that session, and sessions like those that do go according to my stats and are relative "breezes", become PURE PROFIT.
So as draining as those loss avoidance sessions are, they are a necessity. Gotta fight off those tougher-than-usual sessions as best we can. Then the "normal" sessions can serve as pure profit. And that, my friends, will always suffice to make it all...the job, the hours, the travel, the play...WORTHWHILE.
I wish you all the very best of it.
I really hope you are doing overnights. Strongly recommend that you rest up once you arrive before you hit the tables. Best when you are all rest up and mentally/emotionally set to go gr8.
When I hit Vegas nowadays I tend to head straight to the airport right after work. I sleep on the plane but it is not as refreshing as hitting the pillows once I arrive to my hotel room. Arrive around 11 P.M. Vegas time and hit sack once in my hotel room. Around 3 or 4 in the morning I wake up and grab something to eat. Then hit the tables around 4:30 AM where there is hardly anyone in the casino.
Quote: soxfanThe gr88888888one comes through, again. You should really ditch yer regular job and make the baccarats yer fulltime gig, hey hey!
Not yet. My family responsibilities are simply too important to jeopardize right now. "Jeopardize"? Well, as we all know, nothing is guaranteed, and as well as I'm playing (and have been for a few years now), I simply can't chance a collapse in my current income and benefits. My family responsibilities come first.
Quote: TankoWhy go through all that hassle, plus expenses and six hours of driving, when you have RW twenty minutes from home?
Hello, Tanko, I trust all is well with you.
I simply have no trust in the results at Resorts World and their "Baccarat machines". That, my friend, makes it a non-starter for me. I much prefer to witness, live, the cards being dealt from the shoe.
Stay well.
Quote: DMSCR....one should not trust those darn machines and Resorts World in general. The kinds of subtle crap that RW can pull are astounding. Things you can never pull off at an actual real dealer table.
Agreed. Their results sometimes are absolutely astonishing.
Quote: DMSCRWhat needs to be done is Cuomo needs to stop being a real piker and allow table games all across the NY state instead of trying to pump up economic development in areas of upstate NY that are desolate crap holes to begin with.
That is why the major players like Wynn, Adelson and MGM for instance are staying away from building in NY because of that sole restriction of not allowing table games around the NY Metro area for sevens years.
It appears that Cuomo wants to be "just a little bit pregnant"....typical politician thinking. Wants gambling, just not the real kind.
But, that said, just look at the revenues at Resorts World. Amazing. And all that does is fuel the fire for more casinos, table games or not. So, while I won't play the machines, there obviously exists those that will, and, frankly, isn't that all that matters to them? Do you really think that they could care less about our personal preferences, especially when there's big money involved.
Stay well.
Quote: DMSCRI really hope you are doing overnights. Strongly recommend that you rest up once you arrive before you hit the tables. Best when you are all rest up and mentally/emotionally set to go gr8.
My stays are overnight. Arrive Thursday night and leave on Friday evening.
As far a rest goes, I do the best I can with what I have to deal with; that's about the best I can do. If I want to play Baccarat, live, than there's just certain circumstances that are a "necessary evil" in order to make that a reality.
It's OK. I'm pretty much used to it after these years of doing it, week in and week out.
I was just venting about how much of a bitch it really can be when my Thursday night session becomes a "grinder". Oh, well.....again, as long as I can deem it all worthwhile, I'll continue along.
Nowadays I would be like no way. I need my rest. And on weekends I would be rather doing anything but. LOL. I realize once you respect the grind and realize where your limits are and what is expected with knowing your end game you tone things down.
Quote: gr8playerNot yet. My family responsibilities are simply too important to jeopardize right now. "Jeopardize"? Well, as we all know, nothing is guaranteed, and as well as I'm playing (and have been for a few years now), I simply can't chance a collapse in my current income and benefits. My family responsibilities come first.
Years back I quit a good paying daily grind as a futures trader with a large firm in Toronto to make the baccarat my regular gig. And it was the best decision I ever made, I must say, hey hey.
Quote: soxfanYears back I quit a good paying daily grind as a futures trader with a large firm in Toronto to make the baccarat my regular gig. And it was the best decision I ever made, I must say, hey hey.
It's time for you to write the book…….you know, give back....…..'Ex Futures Trader Turns Professional Baccarat Player'…….
Quote: DMSCRI realize once you respect the grind and realize where your limits are and what is expected with knowing your end game you tone things down.
"respect the grind"
"realize where your limits are"
"knowing your end game"
The phraseology of the long-term winner. Well said, D-man.
Quote: soxfanYears back I quit a good paying daily grind as a futures trader with a large firm in Toronto to make the baccarat my regular gig. And it was the best decision I ever made, I must say, hey hey.
I am truly happy for you, Soxster; great move. I have respect for the game and those that take it seriously. Kuddos, my friend.
Quote: treetopbuddyInteresting how gr8player takes a beating when claiming success at the Bac tables, yet soxfan, the cool cat gets a free pass. Maybe soxfan is just playing the forum……after all we have learned the nobody can have long term success in a -EV game.
Yeah, there is something about soxfan. I don't believe for a second that he plays baccarat. His writes too intelligently to believe this nonsense.
Quote: teliotGood news for every new baccarat player: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPbQhaCxcEY
Good news? gr8news!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceGood news? gr8news!
Not really, AxiomOfChoice, for I am not an "Ellis" or "BeatTheCasino" fan.
Not as much for their ideas as much as their unmitigated gall to charge for it.
Yet, "caveat emptor" and all that....they get their buyers.
I guess the late, great W.C. was right...there IS one born every minute.
Stay well.
P.T. Barnum (though there is some dispute about this).Quote: gr8playerI guess the late, great W.C. was right...there IS one born every minute.
......you're right, teliot, it was P.T. Barnum.
Hmmm....what was it that W.C. Fields said?...oh, yeah:
"Never work with animals or children or Baccarat players"
Quote: gr8playerNot really, AxiomOfChoice, for I am not an "Ellis" or "BeatTheCasino" fan.
Not as much for their ideas as much as their unmitigated gall to charge for it.
Yet, "caveat emptor" and all that....they get their buyers.
I guess the late, great W.C. was right...there IS one born every minute.
Stay well.
Well, I will agree, coming up with your own failed betting system is cheaper than paying for one!
Quote: treetopbuddyIt's time for you to write the book…….you know, give back....…..'Ex Futures Trader Turns Professional Baccarat Player'…….
Actually, i was a very good trader, and like alot of good traders I only made money on about 46-47% of my trades. That's similar to the baccarats where I make excellent cake despite winning just about 49% of my placed bets. And as far as books are concerned, I've written three, thus far, all unrelated to "gambling", but someday I hope to receive something other than a rejection letter from a publishinh house, hey hey.
Quote: treetopbuddyInteresting how gr8player takes a beating when claiming success at the Bac tables, yet soxfan, the cool cat gets a free pass. Maybe soxfan is just playing the forum……after all we have learned the nobody can have long term success in a -EV game.
When/if the day should come when the house edge combined with the "long run" cause me to lose my initial 1500 units lifetime bankroll plus the tens of thousands of units accumulated profits then I will come on this forum and admit as much. On that day, I'll come on here to subject myself to the scorn, ridicule and derision of the resident, assembled ap-wiseguys, and mathites. I figure that would be the least I could do, hey hey.
Quote: soxfanWhen/if the day should come when the house edge combined with the "long run" cause me to lose my initial 1500 units lifetime bankroll plus the tens of thousands of units accumulated profits then I will come on this forum and admit as much. On that day, I'll come on here to subject myself to the scorn, ridicule and derision of the resident, assembled ap-wiseguys, and mathites. I figure that would be the least I could do, hey hey.
That's would be the right thing to do, no doubt. Since your up ten of thousands of units I'm guessing you found the Holy Grail. Congratulations! Remember to pay all taxes.
Quote: gr8player"respect the grind"
"realize where your limits are"
"knowing your end game"
The phraseology of the long-term winner. Well said, D-man.
We both have the same general ideas and approaches to the game. Just continue to do what you are doing.
I realize baccarat requires a much different approach and angle unlike the other major card games like bj and poker for instance. What works in bac does not work at all with bj and would be absolutely disastrous with poker and vice versa. Seems like not many are able to figure it out and waiting for someone to light the way. I would not be surprised if folks figured things out like you did gr8 but smart enough not to publicly disclose things to ruin the game. This is just way too fragile. And honestly it is better to keep it as a guessing game and thinking this whole spiel is some blind coin toss.
Quote: soxfanplus the tens of thousands of units accumulated profits
So that would be 20,000 multiplied by the typical baccarat unit size of 25 =
Wow, I guess I can understand why you decided to quit the ball and chain.
Quote: soxfanWhen/if the day should come when the house edge combined with the "long run" cause me to lose my initial 1500 units lifetime bankroll plus the tens of thousands of units accumulated profits then I will come on this forum and admit as much. On that day, I'll come on here to subject myself to the scorn, ridicule and derision of the resident, assembled ap-wiseguys, and mathites. I figure that would be the least I could do, hey hey.
In related news, I have several bridges to sell to interested forum members.
Actually, going from 1500 to tens of thousands is not all that unlikely. Considering how many people follow these betting systems, it's expected that some get lucky and run their bankroll quite high before the inevitable happens. Maybe you will even get lucky and die before you lose it all! Lifetime winner!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIn related news, I have several bridges to sell to interested forum members.
Actually, going from 1500 to tens of thousands is not all that unlikely. Considering how many people follow these betting systems, it's expected that some get lucky and run their bankroll quite high before the inevitable happens. Maybe you will even get lucky and die before you lose it all! Lifetime winner!
Well, it is true that I only buck up against 36-37k decisions in a year's worth of fulltime play. And, a phd math girly told me that the "long run" at games like baccarat constitutes about ten million hands. So, I'll thank Zeus if I manage to skate the "long run" and inevtiable doom, hey hey.
Quote: soxfanAnd, a phd math girly told me that the "long run" at games like baccarat constitutes about ten million hands.
Just a thought, but if you'd like to start a thread declaring that math is useless because it only works in the long run, there may be an opening for you. We had a designated expert, but after this morning, I don't expect him to post again in the near future.
You're also welcome to share your 9/11 conspiracy theories, if you have any.
Quote: soxfanWell, it is true that I only buck up against 36-37k decisions in a year's worth of fulltime play. And, a phd math girly told me that the "long run" at games like baccarat constitutes about ten million hands. So, I'll thank Zeus if I manage to skate the "long run" and inevtiable doom, hey hey.
I have no idea how she defined "the long run" but she was probably just arbitrarily picking some probability (say, 1%) and and saying that you have less than that probability of not being broke if you play that many hands. Of course, it could happen a lot sooner than that too.
If you'd give me your betting strategy and your bankroll I could figure it out for you but I guess you want to keep that a closely guarded secret. I could probably figure it out (or come up with something that performs similarly) from your repeated statements that "you only need to win 16.6667% of your bets to come out ahead".
Quote: soxfanActually, i was a very good trader, and like alot of good traders I only made money on about 46-47% of my trades. That's similar to the baccarats where I make excellent cake despite winning just about 49% of my placed bets. And as far as books are concerned, I've written three, thus far, all unrelated to "gambling", but someday I hope to receive something other than a rejection letter from a publishinh house, hey hey.
46-47% seems a little high for a successful trader. I would expect closer to 35-40% winners. You know, pressing winners and letting losers go quickly.
Your 35k bets are definitely brown trowser moments. You obviously are spreading out big time. More power to you.
Horseshoe Cincy offers 10 min against 100K maximum……..that's a great game for a cat like you.
I thought there was a law about conning seniors or retarded people?
I get why DI is the perfect CON, it can try to explain why the math is irrelevant. Easy to sleep at night if you can add an ounce of possibility. You can even keep your reputation and not be considered a complete con/coo coo.
This cat reminds me of the dude that was playing 500 plus a hand in Bac and had 3 teeth.
Quote: DMSCRWe both have the same general ideas and approaches to the game. Just continue to do what you are doing.
Correct, and I have every intention of doing so.
Quote: DMSCRI realize baccarat requires a much different approach and angle unlike the other major card games......Seems like not many are able to figure it out and waiting for someone to light the way. I would not be surprised if folks figured things out like you did gr8 but smart enough not to publicly disclose things to ruin the game. This is just way too fragile. And honestly it is better to keep it as a guessing game and thinking this whole spiel is some blind coin toss.
Correct, yet again.
I am not here to educate the uneducated.
I am here, however, to enlighten those that are under the impression that there is no method of play that can overcome the house's edge.
As you and I (and players whose approaches to this game are similar) know, Baccarat is a unique game, it being a closed-end, shoe game. And these shoes have certain traits or characteristics (I dare not say trends around here) that CAN BE exploitable. Why the caps on "can be"?: Because that very exploitation requires so much more than most "uninitiated" would ever think of: Bet placement and bet size manipulation, based upon certain criteria (read: variance and/or table/shoe disposition). And, even given all of that, the very necessary patience and discipline to carry the "plan" out, complete with strategic exit points.
Yeah, D-man, you're right, let 'em go right on "thinking this whole spiel is some blind coin toss"...that's their own, personal "comfort zone"...
Stay well, my friend.
Quote: AxelWolfPlease don't tell me this guy is getting $500 a pop for this......If people are paying this guy for some discombobulated craft paper seminars with some O/1 marks while making crap up along the way. How dose he advertise? Anyone have more information on this operation?
Hello, AxelWolf, I trust all is well with you.
Yes, there are those that join his private website and pay for the information and services. These people are, IMHO, the "uninitiated" who are under the impression that they can adopt a methodology as their own and become..."presto!"...a successful professional Baccarat player.
It is, yet again as my humble opinion, nothing more than "Fool's Gold".
And the kicker is, AxelWolf, that even on that very website they must've changed "courses" (read: adjusted and re-adjusted their Bac play) a dozen times, all to custom-fit the "new and improved" "best Baccarat play ever" into their sales pitches.
Yet, again, the uninformed, the naïve, continue to contribute to the coffers. Un..be..lieve..able. Those that want so badly to believe in something, anything, that'll help them make some money inside a casino; and the fact that they have to pay for it only serves to substantiate their tainted notion. Simply un..be..lieve..able!
Thursday night 9:45 P.M. buy-in
First shoe W7 L7
Second shoe W5 L9 (difficult session, but rather expected, coming off a 91% strike last Friday...it's called "variance")
Third shoe W5 L3
Total for session: Won 17 of 36 bets for a 47% strike rate and a +1 units (thank you, gr8player's progression) (no commish)
Friday afternoon 1:00 P.M. buy-in
First shoe W10 L5
Second shoe W5 L4 (game broke up mid-shoe)
Total for session: Won 15 of 24 bets for a 63% strike rate and a +7 units (no commish)
Trip Totals: Won 32 of 60 bets for a 53% strike rate and a +8 units (no commish)
And the beat goes on....that's about all any serious player can ask for. Normalcy. Normalcy in their strike rates, in their money-management, and in their variances. Just go according to plan, and all is well in your Bac world.
Sure, Thursday night was a tad difficult. But, so what? Or, should I say, what else is new? These sessions exist, and will always exist, unless I can ever come up with a 90% strike rate bet placement. Ain't never gonna happen. So, we try to control the downs as best we can while we reap the benefits of the ups.
It ain't rocket science, my friends. Just some good ol' patience and discipline and planned play, both bet selection- and money management-wise.
Stay well, all.
Quote: gr8playerAs promised...
Thursday night 9:45 P.M. buy-in
First shoe W7 L7
Second shoe W5 L9 (difficult session, but rather expected, coming off a 91% strike last Friday...it's called "variance")
Third shoe W5 L3
Total for session: Won 17 of 36 bets for a 47% strike rate and a +1 units (thank you, gr8player's progression) (no commish)
Friday afternoon 1:00 P.M. buy-in
First shoe W10 L5
Second shoe W5 L4 (game broke up mid-shoe)
Total for session: Won 15 of 24 bets for a 63% strike rate and a +7 units (no commish)
Trip Totals: Won 32 of 60 bets for a 53% strike rate and a +8 units (no commish)
And the beat goes on....that's about all any serious player can ask for. Normalcy. Normalcy in their strike rates, in their money-management, and in their variances. Just go according to plan, and all is well in your Bac world.
Sure, Thursday night was a tad difficult. But, so what? Or, should I say, what else is new? These sessions exist, and will always exist, unless I can ever come up with a 90% strike rate bet placement. Ain't never gonna happen. So, we try to control the downs as best we can while we reap the benefits of the ups.
It ain't rocket science, my friends. Just some good ol' patience and discipline and planned play, both bet selection- and money management-wise.
Stay well, all.
My confidence in you has been a little shaken after your horse racing post:-)
Quote: gr8playerIt ain't rocket science, my friends.
Hello gr8player. It appears safe to assume that all is well with you.
Near the beginning of the month, you said you average +5 units per session, and you win over 90% of your sessions.
Your actual results for the past three weeks: +28 units (6 sessions)
You're basically printing money, despite running slightly bad this month.
The problem I guess is that you're only up 700 actual dollars, assuming the standard $25 unit size. If I recall correctly, you said playing higher stakes throws off your game, but that should simply be a matter of acclimatization. What are your goals for moving up to higher unit sizes?
Quote: gpac1377Hello gr8player. It appears safe to assume that all is well with you.
I'm sorry but I can't stop laughing.
Quote: treetopbuddyI'm sorry but I can't stop laughing.
Hello treetopbuddy, I trust all is well with you.
I'm pleased that you're enjoying the thread.
Stay well, my friend.
Quote: gpac1377Hello gr8player. It appears safe to assume that all is well with you.
Near the beginning of the month, you said you average +5 units per session, and you win over 90% of your sessions.
Your actual results for the past three weeks: +28 units (6 sessions)
You're basically printing money, despite running slightly bad this month.
The problem I guess is that you're only up 700 actual dollars, assuming the standard $25 unit size. If I recall correctly, you said playing higher stakes throws off your game, but that should simply be a matter of acclimatization. What are your goals for moving up to higher unit sizes?
Hmmm...let's do the math, shall we?:
I play one session on Thursday night and one on Friday. so it's two sessions per trip.
I average 5 units won per session, so that's 10 units per trip.
At your stated "$25 per unit", I'd be clearing only $250 per trip. Minus expenses:
Rental car: $86.12
Gas: 40.00
Tolls: 25.00
My fixed expenses, before I step foot inside the casino, are $151.12, so, in effect, I'd be making these trips only to clear a grand total LESS THAN one hundred dollars.
Never happen....
And never assume my unit sizes.
Quote: gpac1377Hello treetopbuddy, I trust all is well with you.
I'm pleased that you're enjoying the thread.
Stay well, my friend.
ROFLMAO……well I'm not rolling on floor but I can't stop laughing…..I'm sorry gr8player
Quote: treetopbuddyROFLMAO……well I'm not rolling on floor but I can't stop laughing…..I'm sorry gr8player
Sorry, no offense intended.
When I spend too much time with people, I tend to pick up their habits. Recently I watched a speech given by the president, and the next day I threatened to implement sanctions against my golden retriever.
Quote: gpac1377Sorry, no offense intended.
When I spend too much time with people, I tend to pick up their habits. Recently I watched a speech given by the president, and the next day I threatened to implement sanctions against my golden retriever.
Stop it!
Quote: gpac1377
The problem I guess is that you're only up 700 actual dollars, assuming the standard $25 unit size. If I recall correctly, you said playing higher stakes throws off your game, but that should simply be a matter of acclimatization. What are your goals for moving up to higher unit sizes?
A little correction here. At the Borgata, the minimum unit size is $20 not $25. They do have very nicely designed chips compared to the rest of the other AC casinos. Next one up is Caesars.
Quote: DMSCRA little correction here. At the Borgata, the minimum unit size is $20 not $25.
Thanks :)
I'm not a player.
Quote: gpac1377If I recall correctly, you said playing higher stakes throws off your game, but that should simply be a matter of acclimatization. What are your goals for moving up to higher unit sizes?
You do recall correctly, gpac1377. I do believe that playing outside of one's own personal comfort zone will lead only to eventual disaster. Reasoning:
Money management is of critical importance in this game. The manipulation and adjusting of bet sizes is vital, but there must be leeway to do so. Whenever one is betting above their comfort level, those bet size adjustments become much more difficult to implement, especially in those times of variance downturns.
So after one develops their preferred bet selection process, one must then tailor their money-management plan around that; bearing in mind, however, that they must be ready, willing, and able to make those "recoup bets" as their plan dictates. Scared money, or simply playing scared, just won't cut it.
So one must keep their unit sizes both comfortable and do-able, and that includes the unit sizes that are necessary in their "recoup modes" of play.
Me? My "gr8player's progression" goes only to 5 levels, so my "hi-bet" is only 5 units. (Sidenote: And, it bears mentioning here that I never, ever utilize my 5-unit level...if I did have to dip that far into the pool on a regular basis, I'd give the game up...I don't make it a habit of putting myself into potentially-disastrous situations.) But I do know my hi-bet, and I know I can handle it. Both monetarily and psychologically.
Quote: treetopbuddyThe NOR guy needs to take some seminar money and go straight to the dentist.
This cat reminds me of the dude that was playing 500 plus a hand in Bac and had 3 teeth.
That geezer is full of crap. He may have a good idea here and there once in a while but the majority of whatever he spews is sewer sludge. Saw his youtube videos. Definitely not sustainable and to wheel in the suckers.
Quote: gr8playerI don't make it a habit of putting myself into potentially-disastrous situations.
Thanks. It's definitely important to recognize the negative possibilities when formulating a plan. I'm very respectful of risk in my own activities. I never invest 100% in the stock market, and I don't buy avocados.
