Cash plays
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:45:42 PM
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Must have been from one of the Travel channel shows where the man says if you want to play cash, tell the dealer "cash plays". Do any casinos actually let you do this playing cash and being paid in chips?
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February 2nd, 2014 at 9:49:13 PM
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Rare. The Feds don't like it and all the MBA types have issued memos about Not letting money play.Quote: onenickelmiracleMust have been from one of the Travel channel shows where the man says if you want to play cash, tell the dealer "cash plays". Do any casinos actually let you do this playing cash and being paid in chips?
Stop the play if you have to or say No Action on the Cash. Formal Buy In only.
Now maybe at higher amounts it still happens but I doubt it.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:49:52 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleMust have been from one of the Travel channel shows where the man says if you want to play cash, tell the dealer "cash plays". Do any casinos actually let you do this playing cash and being paid in chips?
No casino that I know of. Perhaps this was an older show?
Casinos don't let cash play for a miriad of reasons but the latest and most important one I would imagine is the new money laundering regulations which does not allow a casino to accept wagers without confirming the amount and more importantly the validity (I'm not sure if that is the right word to use here) of the currency.
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February 2nd, 2014 at 9:52:33 PM
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I've seen it happen, but not for more than a bet or two.
February 2nd, 2014 at 9:52:36 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleMust have been from one of the Travel channel shows where the man says if you want to play cash, tell the dealer "cash plays". Do any casinos actually let you do this playing cash and being paid in chips?
Technically no, but all one has to do is throw their money down and clearly state, "$100 on [insert bet here]." The dealer will quickly take the money, hand it to the box, and book the bet. (I have yet to see a dealer/box deny anyone who has done this)
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February 2nd, 2014 at 9:55:27 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thTechnically no, but all one has to do is throw their money down and clearly state, "$100 on [insert bet here]." The dealer will quickly take the money, hand it to the box, and book the bet. (I have yet to see a dealer/box deny anyone in this case)
However the cash has to be changed up and the bet placed on the desired amount BEFORE the game is placed in action, before the wheel is spun, before the dice are passed out to shoot.
I don't know of any casinos within the US who shouldn't follow this rule. If they do, they are taking unecessary risks with the feds.
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February 2nd, 2014 at 10:02:30 PM
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Quote: TomspurHowever the cash has to be changed up and the bet placed on the desired amount BEFORE the game is placed in action, before the wheel is spun, before the dice are passed out to shoot.
I don't know of any casinos within the US who shouldn't follow this rule. If they do, they are taking unecessary risks with the feds.
Not from what I've seen. There have been plenty of instances where I've seen someone throw down money for a bet in craps, and the dealer/box books it. Granted, all of these situation may have been with players whom the dealers knew well, but whatever the case, that's what I've observed many times here in Vegas.
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February 2nd, 2014 at 10:05:44 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thNot from what I've seen. There have been plenty of instances where I've seen someone throw down money for a bet in craps, and the dealer/box books it. Granted, all of these situation may have been with players whom the dealers knew well, but whatever the case, that's what I've observed many times here in Vegas.
As I mentioned there is obviously a difference between what should happen and what actually happens. A cash bet can most certainly be thrown down on the game but like I said the correct procedure is that the change has to be made and the chip placed before the outcome of the game is decided......
If that always happens, I obviously have no control over. I was merely pointing out what I know of internal policies with regards to cash changes and indeed IF "cash plays".
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February 2nd, 2014 at 10:08:35 PM
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Yes it was an old show. I've seen it many times through the years and this portion always stuck out to me seeming strange and against protocol.
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February 2nd, 2014 at 10:24:56 PM
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Actually the phrase is usually money plays..... but unless you've just left the Rio and are heading to a nice local bar with a Mexican Restaurant next to it and a line up of good local musicians, Money Plays won't mean much these days.
February 2nd, 2014 at 10:55:22 PM
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I have played many cash bets on blackjack with no problems. If the dealer wants ti change it out fir chips wave her or him off and say, NO thats bad luck. I have yet to be refused. Some house may have a strict policy regarding this. I have yet to run into this problem. I doubt it's a law concidering a lot of poker games in vegas alow cash to play.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 2nd, 2014 at 11:09:45 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI have played many cash bets on blackjack with no problems. If the dealer wants ti change it out fir chips wave her or him off and say, NO thats bad luck. I have yet to be refused.
Same here. I've never had a problem doing this on BJ, roulette, or craps. It's probably just a house rule that's rarely enforced.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 12:03:01 AM
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Axel, there is a big difference between Poker where the money doesn't belong to the house but is in a shared pot between the players. The house removes its rake in chips, never in cash so therefore they don't have a hand in what happens.
Its amazing to me that the casinos don't enforce this rule as it is one of the more serious policies out there.
Oh well, not in my house :)
Its amazing to me that the casinos don't enforce this rule as it is one of the more serious policies out there.
Oh well, not in my house :)
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:40:40 AM
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It used to be very common, even up to about 2005 or so. Now most places won't allow it.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 4:46:43 AM
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Quote: HunterhillIt used to be very common, even up to about 2005 or so. Now most places won't allow it.
I've only seen it on Asian-centric casinos, and Asian-centric games. Bac at the Gold Coast and the Palms.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 8:14:34 AM
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If it's less than $10,000 what is the government's interest?Quote: FleaStiffThe Feds don't like it
February 3rd, 2014 at 9:04:46 AM
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Quote: SanchoPanzaIf it's less than $10,000 what is the government's interest?Quote: FleaStiffThe Feds don't like it
Laundering dirty money becomes increasingly simplified with "money plays".
Really depends on the exact procedures of the house in question, but here is a scenario.
Let's suppose I place a wager of $100 with illegal currency.
If I lose, the dealer drops the currency in the box, and I leave the table (assuming I am intentionally using illegal currency).
If I win, the dealer may do one of two actions, depending upon rules of that particular casino:
1. The dealer pays me $200 in cheques, collects the currency wager, and drops the $100 currency in the drop box.
2. The dealer pays me $100 in cheques for the winning wager, leaving the currency on the table.
If #2 applies, I have the option of retaining the illegal currency (putting it back in my wallet) and either cashing out the cheques at the cage for "clean" cash, or continuing to gamble with the $100 worth of cheques.
In either case, the original "dirty" money never made it into the casino's inventory of currency, and nobody would ever be able to track it down.
February 3rd, 2014 at 9:17:44 AM
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I would say most casinos started tightening up on playing cash a few years ago when the government began fining the casinos for Title 31 infringements.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
February 3rd, 2014 at 10:13:22 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thNot from what I've seen. There have been plenty of instances where I've seen someone throw down money for a bet in craps, and the dealer/box books it. Granted, all of these situation may have been with players whom the dealers knew well, but whatever the case, that's what I've observed many times here in Vegas.
I've seen this most often at craps. One time at Bellagio, an older Asian gentleman walked up to a mostly empty craps table with his family in tow. He would throw down a benjamin and shout out "hard eight!" The stick would say "that's a bet!" and half the time, the dice would be thrown and he had lost before they even put the black chip on the layout. He did this about 6 or 7 times before walking away a loser.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 10:36:15 AM
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If I was laundering cash, I'd be happier if they changed all my bills so I can get different bills later on. What's the purpose of laundering money if I have to keep it?
February 3rd, 2014 at 10:41:34 AM
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I saw a cash play situation just the other day. First I had seem for a little while. Guy bet his last 4 green chips and got a double down situation. He dug in his pocket and pulled out a Benny. I was expecting the dealer to exchange for 4 green chips and he looked like he started to, but then stopped and asked the guy if he was doubling for full amount. When the guy said 'yes', dealer put the cash next to the original bet and announced "cash plays". After the guy won the double, the dealer paid with 8 green chips and the guy picked up the Benny and put it back in his pocket. The whole thing seemed just a little strange to me.
This was at Orleans, so it wasn't a small out of the way place.
This was at Orleans, so it wasn't a small out of the way place.
February 3rd, 2014 at 11:36:00 AM
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When I was a craps dealer many moons ago, we were required to call out "money plays, up to the limit" when a player desired to place a bet with cash. One player had a wad of money bundled up with a rubber band with a hundred dollar bill showing and said "play it on the field." I announced "money plays, up to the limit" to the boxman and booked the bet. He lost and when I took the rubber band off to collect the money, it was an inch of $1 dollar bills inside the Benjamin. LOL! If he would have won, he'd be paid in chips and allowed to keep the cash. This was proper procedure at that time.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 8:39:42 PM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleMust have been from one of the Travel channel shows where the man says if you want to play cash, tell the dealer "cash plays". Do any casinos actually let you do this playing cash and being paid in chips?
Cash plays at some casinos that I've been to. In fact they recommend it when you reach into your pocket for just enough for a double down or something.
February 3rd, 2014 at 8:43:04 PM
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I saw "cash play" a coupla years ago in AC. An oriental cat came back from the atm and put a big wad of hundreds on the banker side at a mini-bac table, hey hey.
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February 3rd, 2014 at 8:51:20 PM
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Maybe I should qualify my statements earier in this thread with, If I were to ever run a casino, money would never play and anybody who doesn't follow the rules with get progressive disciplinary action.
I guess some dealers, floors and managers don't care much about proper procedure :)
I guess some dealers, floors and managers don't care much about proper procedure :)
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February 3rd, 2014 at 9:02:57 PM
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Amazing a cat even lived long enough to be 21, yet figure out an ATM machine and have a bank account. Siamese cats are pretty bright though. Our neighbors cat stole all the gloves he could fit in its mouth.Quote: soxfanI saw "cash play" a coupla years ago in AC. An oriental cat came back from the atm and put a big wad of hundreds on the banker side at a mini-bac table, hey hey.
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February 4th, 2014 at 12:07:00 AM
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People confuse what laundering money really means as apposed to washing bills.Quote: FroggerIf I was laundering cash, I'd be happier if they changed all my bills so I can get different bills later on. What's the purpose of laundering money if I have to keep it?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 4th, 2014 at 7:23:05 AM
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"Cash plays"
*dealer takes bill and changes it out*
"No! I said cash plays!"
"I heard you, sir." *places chips and drops money*
*dealer takes bill and changes it out*
"No! I said cash plays!"
"I heard you, sir." *places chips and drops money*
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February 4th, 2014 at 2:23:58 PM
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Yes they are doing this more and more it's probably the norm now. It really dose not change anything but takes a bit more time.Quote: Deucekies"Cash plays"
*dealer takes bill and changes it out*
"No! I said cash plays!"
"I heard you, sir." *places chips and drops money*
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
