rudeboyoi
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May 7th, 2010 at 9:08:36 AM permalink
okay here are the 4 different ways i consider tipping when im betting the right way. what is the cost per hour for each one of these options? assume 100 rolls/hour.

A) everytime the point is a 6 or 8. toss a $1 hardway for that point as a tip.

B) everytime the point is a 4,6,8, or T. toss a $1 hardway for that point as a tip.

C) everytime the point is a 6 or 8. bet a $1 hardway for that point for yourself. then parlay it two-way if it hits. so $5 and $5.

D) everytime the point is a 4,6,8, or T. bet a $1 hardway for that point for yourself. then parlay it two-way if it hits. so $5 and $5 on the 6 and 8 and $4 and $4 on the 4 and 10.
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May 7th, 2010 at 9:22:48 AM permalink
I think I can speak on the behalf of dealers that they would prefer you not waste their tips on sucker bets like the hard ways. They usually won't tell you at the table, for fear of looking rude or ungrateful. However, 9%-11% of the tip is lost due to the house edge. You might think it is more fun for the dealers to get a tip on the hard ways, but the dealers in front of you aren't going to care about a $7 or $9 win split among a hundred dealers.

Another problem with tipping on certain events is that when they don't come up often you'll look cheap. Personally, I just give the dealers a tip directly from time to time, and say "for the dealers." If it is a short session, I'll do so when I leave. If I were to tip for the dealers I would do so on the field. The problem I have with tipping on a line bet is it obligates you to make an odds tip, which may be more than I intended to tip.
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rudeboyoi
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May 7th, 2010 at 9:56:32 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think I can speak on the behalf of dealers that they would prefer you not waste their tips on sucker bets like the hard ways. They usually won't tell you at the table, for fear of looking rude or ungrateful. However, 9%-11% of the tip is lost due to the house edge. You might think it is more fun for the dealers to get a tip on the hard ways, but the dealers in front of you aren't going to care about a $7 or $9 win split among a hundred dealers.



basically im looking for a way for my total expected loss at the table to equal about $10/hr. im continuously making passline and comeline wagers at $3 tables so am losing about $4.20 an hour. i get about 3 drinks every two hours from the cocktail waitress so that figures to be about another $1.50 an hour. so between my theoretical loss on the game and tipping the waitresses im losing about $6/hr. whats a good method to tip about $4 an hour to the dealers? you suggested betting on the field. id like to base when i tip on certain numbers being established as the point.

my quick guess is everytime the point comes up 4 or T. tipping on the field would equal to about losing $4/hr.

a point will be established about 15 times an hour im guessing. so i took (4/15) and times that by 24(the number of combinations used to make a point on the comeoutroll) which computes to about 6. and betting on the 4 and 10 only would be 6 combinations.

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Another problem with tipping on certain events is that when they don't come up often you'll look cheap.



the other day when i was playing at the suncoast and bet a $1 hardway on the 6 and parlayed it two-way on the win and they hit, they were ecstatic and very grateful when it hit. but like you said before, id look cheap if none of the hardway bets ever hit. but if im playing at an establishment that i usually play at, they will notice what im doing when i do bet the hardways that im always parlaying them two-way when they hit.

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The problem I have with tipping on a line bet is it obligates you to make an odds tip, which may be more than I intended to tip.



yah i feel the same way when youre playing blackjack, youre expected to double down on their tip portion as well and have to put out additional money on their portion when you decide to split.
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May 7th, 2010 at 10:09:03 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

basically im looking for a way for my total expected loss at the table to equal about $10/hr. im continuously making passline and comeline wagers at $3 tables so am losing about $4.20 an hour. i get about 3 drinks every two hours from the cocktail waitress so that figures to be about another $1.50 an hour. so between my theoretical loss on the game and tipping the waitresses im losing about $6/hr. whats a good method to tip about $4 an hour to the dealers? you suggested betting on the field. id like to base when i tip on certain numbers being established as the point.



If you are not taking full odds, tipping by putting $1 on top of your odds ($2 on 5/9) is a great way to tip in a controlled manner. The dealers love it because you just made a great bet for them.
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May 7th, 2010 at 10:11:52 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

If you are not taking full odds, tipping by putting $1 on top of your odds ($2 on 5/9) is a great way to tip in a controlled manner. The dealers love it because you just made a great bet for them.



unfortunately for them, im always taking full odds.

actually this is a decent question, can i bet more than full odds on the point if the additional money im betting is for the dealers?

like every time the point comes up 4 or T, put an additional $1 on the odds im already taking.

that way theyre getting a good bet and a decent payout if the point hits, $3 per bet won.
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May 7th, 2010 at 10:31:58 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

unfortunately for them, im always taking full odds.

actually this is a decent question, can i bet more than full odds on the point if the additional money im betting is for the dealers?

like every time the point comes up 4 or T, put an additional $1 on the odds im already taking.

that way theyre getting a good bet and a decent payout if the point hits, $3 per bet won.



I can answer that question for Harrah's Grand Biloxi, and it was an emphatic NO.
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May 7th, 2010 at 11:23:11 AM permalink
Why concentrate so much on this and try to remember the events and perhaps risk being thought of poorly if the events don't take place for awhile.

Even if you are at a ten dollar table. A simple ten dollar line bet for yourself and a solitary white chip a couple of inches away from it is a good bet. It may only be a buck but its not some long shot that the dealers know is likely to fail them. And if you "add shoes" to it even those odds won't be all that much money. A few whites every now and then won't be noticed by you, but they are noticed by the dealers and the waitresses.

It is extremely rare for any casino to enforce table minimums if the bet is for the dealers but it is unfortunately quite common for a casino to enforce table maximums even if its just a small bet for the dealers on the back of a legitimate bet for yourself.
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May 7th, 2010 at 11:50:48 AM permalink
I know that dealers prefer you to make good bets for them (pass line, with odds, etc.) but if you want to make hardway bets for the dealers, they should still be greatful and appreciative.

Personally, I find that dealer hardway bets are noticed a lot more by the dealers, boxman and the floormen. It is a bet that never goes overlooked, while a pass line bet might be.
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May 7th, 2010 at 12:19:17 PM permalink
Quote: gambler

Personally, I find that dealer hardway bets are noticed a lot more by the dealers, boxman and the floormen. It is a bet that never goes overlooked, while a pass line bet might be.

I wonder if that's because a dealer hardway stays up longer or if it's because it has to squeeze in to a tight layout. Or a combination.
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May 7th, 2010 at 1:44:25 PM permalink
I think one of the reasons they never miss the "Thank You" for bets in the middle is that they are always "noisy" bets--the bet gets called two or three times and acknowledged as a "bet" a couple of times. It also plays into the part of the game they push for the casino by attracting more action to the middle. I don't know how many times a table is playing solidly on the outside and then one person goes to the middle and many follow them with at least a few chips (some of them tips).

The bets get played and resolved; they are taken down or paid. A round of "thanks for the bets" follows.

I still think that over the course of a couple of hours with the dealer rotation going on, everyone of them will notice a consistent bet on the line for the dealers, I have always been thanked for it but sometimes the thanks is from my end of the table and not the stick, too. The thanks always come but it is not always as loud...

I have learned from you guys and I am going to stay out of the middle personally and for the dealers. Why make a bad bet for them if I am not doing it for myself?

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