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Zcore13
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:35:15 PM permalink
Well, it's more that it's never been legalized more than it's been made illegal. Gaming is not very old in Az. Live roulette is not legal, but video is. Live craps is not legal, but video is. I think it's just a matter of time, but time ticks slowly in Az. :)

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Beethoven9th
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:44:32 PM permalink
Ah gotcha, I understand now. So is there a large number of Asian gamblers in AZ? If so, you guys would make a killing off them by adding bac.
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egalite
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September 5th, 2013 at 2:46:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

From the impression he has given he has a system that is better then the best card counting system and worth more. If this were true he would have Pros knocking down his door willing to to make over 10k bets with him, they would probably offer him a generous free-roll. If I were him I would take the challenge prove your system and if its money he want its money he will have. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

In that case time to grab the 'windolene'.

I really don't know why he won't play a few shoes with Mission, because he has already spelt out his bet selection and MM, there is little left to hid, other than the fear of losing shoes.
EvenBob
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:05:33 PM permalink
Quote: egalite



I really don't know why he won't play a few shoes with Mission, .



Lol, yes you do.
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24Bingo
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:10:37 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Question though... If one could memorize (not count) the cards that have been played and therefore know the remaining cards, could there be a player advantage?



Probably. Certainly in theory - with this calculator, you certainly could. It seems likely to me there might be some heuristic, but I can't think what it could be.
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AxelWolf
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:17:55 PM permalink
heuristic ....learn something every day
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MathExtremist
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:33:02 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Question though... If one could memorize (not count) the cards that have been played and therefore know the remaining cards, could there be a player advantage?


Yes, but only so small and so infrequently that it is not worth doing. Eliot Jacobson calculated that computer-perfect play yields less than $1.60 profit per shoe based on making $1000 wagers whenever you have the edge.

http://apheat.net/2012/06/25/card-counting-in-baccarat/

http://apheat.net/2012/12/22/beating-baccarat/#more-1893
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Zcore13
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:40:53 PM permalink
Wow, so even if the OP had the incredible talent of memorizing every card played and knowing which ones were due and upped his bet to $1,000 when he had an advantage (seemingly rare) he still would not be able to make any dent into the game more than just plane luck and variance?

That's a TOUGH game!

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MathExtremist
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September 5th, 2013 at 3:47:41 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Wow, so even if the OP had the incredible talent of memorizing every card played and knowing which ones were due and upped his bet to $1,000 when he had an advantage (seemingly rare) he still would not be able to make any dent into the game more than just plane luck and variance?

That's a TOUGH game!

ZCore13


It's worse than that -- the analysis Eliot did assumed you didn't bet at all when the house had the edge. You're spreading 0-1000, not 5-1000 or 25-1000. There are ways to have an edge at a baccarat table, but counting the Player or Banker bets isn't really one of them.
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24Bingo
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September 5th, 2013 at 5:47:58 PM permalink
What about the tie, though?

I'm surprised you can't beat it with player and banker alone, although I don't doubt his analysis.

EDIT: Okay, he's apparently analyzed the tie bet as well, and computer-assisted, if it pays 9:1, you can get an advantage of about a hundredth of a unit per shoe. Since so few pay 9:1, and even that would require a huge spread if betting elsewhere normally, I guess it is uncountable.
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