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egalite
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August 30th, 2013 at 11:14:09 AM permalink
Having five years history of GR8's posts, I feel I have a fairly decent understanding where the op is coming from. It would be extremely surprising, if he accepted Missions shoe offer, wait for the barrage of lame excuses.

IMO the op needs / seeks attention far greater than holding any advantage playing the game of Baccarat. This is based on 5 yrs of reading posts based on nothing but gamblers fallacy, using figures which stem from a post I made at a defunct site and communicating via emails.

It's worth noting that strip away any addicted gamblers beliefs, you then leave them with nothing, having to face reality, which is how you end up with crazed posters which have appeared on various gambling forums over the years. Deluded people will fight until the bitter end rather than forsake their beliefs. The more you ignore, don't accept, don't buy in to, the more outlandish, grandiose the claims become, already somebody has been dropping "unit size" hints
Dicenor33
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August 30th, 2013 at 11:19:59 AM permalink
I read the thread with the great interest . The only known method to beat baccarat is track 9's . Recently a group of players won 2 million while playing the game at Golden nugget in AC . The deck has not been mixed well , so the players knew which will be next . I think when you say that the shoe "talks to you" it means that by the end you know the composition of cards or you know how well the deck is shuffled . It makes sence .
EvenBob
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August 30th, 2013 at 12:48:46 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146



2.) The second problem is that the information Gr8Player has provided, even if correct, is completely unhelpful.
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If I had to distill your post down to one sentence, this
would be it. Egalite and I have seen GR8's act for years,
thousands of posts. He never presents any really
useful info and he never submits to tests of any kind.
He's an attention junkie, he wants to be the bac expert.
That's whats at the bottom of all this.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
thecesspit
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August 30th, 2013 at 1:05:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He's an attention junkie, he wants to be the bac expert.
That's whats at the bottom of all this.



I will add that to my list of 'wants to be the experts'... we've had a few. I think there's few games left up for grabs though...
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
gr8player
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August 31st, 2013 at 7:33:12 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Why bother coming back? No-one here shows any sign of believing a word you say.



I'm not sure that you should be speaking for all members, thecesspit. There are those that do see inherent value in many of my posts.
gr8player
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August 31st, 2013 at 7:44:34 AM permalink
Quote: Jeepster

This whole gr8player shambles can be all boiled down to one simple failing.

If a person cannot grasp the math of baccarat then all the following will make sense to him.

Past results mean something.
Trends can be used.
Money management can help.
Bet selection is an art.
Skills can be utilized.
House edge can be overcome.
The player has an advantage
Progressions work.
Long term means nothing.

Until the math of baccarat is understood by the player then the above will be gospel to him, nothing you can say or explain will shake his beliefs.
Losses will be put down to loss of concentration or bad judgement, not the math.
Wins will credited to skill, not luck.

Many roulette players are just as delusional.



Hello, Jeepster, and thank you for taking both the time and the interest to post your opinions.

I think you're off-base in using the term "delusional". What I do and how I play are rather "real", there is no "slight of hand" involved.

I totally understand the math of the game, and what it is that I'm up against with every single wager I make at the table.

But to simply dismiss my counter-points to that daunted house edge is to, IMHO, diminish their importance. And it diminishes my personal approach to this game, as well. For I am a firm believer in the player's personal approach to the game....their psyche, their mindset, heck, even their personal reasons to play....says as much about the player's chances for success as anything else might.

Is it an absolute must that "math trumps brain", always? Is it written in stone that the math cannot be overcome, no matter what the brain does to counter it?

I respect those that answer those questions in the affirmative, just know that I've equal respect for those that choose to utilize their own "brain".
gr8player
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August 31st, 2013 at 7:52:55 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Gr8Player endeavors to convince us that he is able to use trends and bet selection to beat the game of Baccarat. Gr8Player maintains that there is an inherent House Edge working against him in the game of Baccarat, yet with these strategies, the House Edge can be overcome and it turns into a player edge.

Solution

I wouldn't mind putting the baby to bed, though. If Gr8Player wishes to educate us, then I would be happy to hand deal the equivalent of a Baccarat shoe with either six or eight decks, and Gr8Player could tell us where he would bet, what he would bet, and why? After that, if he's interested, we'll deal five more shoes...and it will take some time...only Gr8Player has to make, "Bets," without knowing the results of the hands. I won't even know them, I'll lock the decks of cards up when the game is not in progress. It will take a while, and no actual money will be on the line, but education through demonstration is one of the most effective forms education can take...so this will be Gr8Player's opportunity to educate us, since that is what he seems to want.



Mission146, well said, my friend, and written as a gentleman. And so I accept your proposition. Let's do it; I'll play out some shoes for you, and you can post the results for all to view, but I must respectfully request you to refrain from publicly revealing anything regarding my specific plays and/or money management, at least not without my prior permission to do so.

(Sidenote: And please bear in mind that I have limited computer access, so we'll need to work the schedule of play around that fact.)
egalite
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August 31st, 2013 at 7:59:36 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I will add that to my list of 'wants to be the experts'... we've had a few. I think there's few games left up for grabs though...

In that case, I would like to pronounce myself as the forth most authority on a game not to dissimilar to Baccarat, as in highest score wins.

"Casino War", having never lost playing this game, is enough of a testament. My edge is 50% until a stand off, but my MM prowess and steel like discipline, are just enough to have got me past the finish line. My rock-solid advice is not to attempt to play this game for more than an hour tops, as it is dealt way too fast.

Forget all this mansy pansy counting marlarky, complicated drawing rules, 10's = nothing, since when has a KING ranked lower than a deuce? A Deuce being higher than an Ace, what kind of joke were those Parisian monks from the Orient trying to pull?

If Baccarat is the game of Kings, then casino war is the game of Queens and luck is a lady never a a fella.

Wish you the best of it.
Beethoven9th
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August 31st, 2013 at 8:01:37 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

but I must respectfully request you to refrain from publicly revealing anything regarding my specific plays and/or money management, at least not without my prior permission to do so.


But why, teacher?? Please don't hide anything. We want to see your greatness since you are the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat!
Fighting BS one post at a time!
wudged
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August 31st, 2013 at 8:10:47 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Quote: Mission146

Gr8Player could tell us where he would bet, what he would bet, and why?.



I must respectfully request you to refrain from publicly revealing anything regarding my specific plays and/or money management, at least not without my prior permission to do so.



The whole challenge proposed was to explicitly reveal this information.

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