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tringlomane
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April 9th, 2014 at 5:23:10 PM permalink
Oh jeez stay away then.

These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf

Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%
Ibeatyouraces
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April 9th, 2014 at 5:31:28 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
FourFiveFace
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April 9th, 2014 at 6:29:03 PM permalink
OK, that's my mistake then, but I'm positive the other part was correct.
Ibeatyouraces
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April 9th, 2014 at 6:34:57 PM permalink
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tringlomane
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April 9th, 2014 at 7:38:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Correct. Two pair and trips are a push based on the bonus paytable. The table was quite desolate today also.



Good for gamblers not wanting to play a game with 7.4% edge and an unclear strategy! Table 1 is okay...but 2 is too much. They should have cut one of the higher payouts down instead, imo.
jopke
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April 12th, 2014 at 2:33:53 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Oh jeez stay away then.

These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf

Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%



I did a full CA analysis of this game a while back. I got a HE of 3.915% with the first pay table. My software also played about 98% of hands, which is different than the 97% quoted earlier, so maybe it is a little off. It IS generally correct to play 3 to a SF instead of folding. The strategy can get very complicated though.
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April 12th, 2014 at 3:46:01 PM permalink
Quote: jopke

Quote: tringlomane

Oh jeez stay away then.

These are the two paytables approved in Washington State, where I grabbed this data. If the straight is 1 to 1, then it's even worse than the second set of numbers here, which already has a house edge of 7.4%! Horrible for a game where people are likely making errors.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/activities/game-rules/double-draw-poker.pdf

Five Aces 500 500
Natural Royal Flush 100 100
Wlid Royal Flush 50 50
Straight Flush 50 50
4 of a Kind 20 20
Full House 5 5
Flush 3 3
Straight 2 2
3 of a Kind 1 Push
Two Pair Push Push
House Edge 3.37% 7.40%



I did a full CA analysis of this game a while back. I got a HE of 3.915% with the first pay table. My software also played about 98% of hands, which is different than the 97% quoted earlier, so maybe it is a little off. It IS generally correct to play 3 to a SF instead of folding. The strategy can get very complicated though.



Thanks, jobke! That's all good to know.
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uwf9990
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January 26th, 2015 at 8:45:48 AM permalink
Quick question...

If you're sitting at a table with say.. 2 other people. And you can see the other peoples cards.. Wouldn't that slide the advantage in the players favor? Because you have knowledge of 10-16 other cards in the deck. You'd be able to know, with greater knowledge, your chances of hitting anything.

Let me know what you think!

Thanks.
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dwheatley
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January 26th, 2015 at 10:22:15 AM permalink
I know some people who have been working on this. With perfect information and two other players you can have a slight advantage, maximum ~2-3% [source: apheat.net]. I should warn you that the perfect strategy with this perfect information is almost impossible to even quantity, let alone learn.

A simpler strategy could give up a lot while still being quite complex. I don't know any published information on this.
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uwf9990
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January 26th, 2015 at 11:33:20 AM permalink
Yeah that's what I was thinking. It would definitely help with your EV of your hands and it would make your decisions easier. This game has been pulled from multiple casinos, and I think that might be one of the reasons.. If you have 3 people working together, I think you can make money at the game. There's only one of these tables in Biloxi and I hit for $1200 a couple months back by playing with 1 other person. The dealer didn't really mind us sharing our hand info because we started playing nickels on the board for her.

The fact that you can make money, and the game itself is a blast to play, makes this one of my favorite games when I make the trip to Biloxi.
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