Turning off place bets

When (and if you can) you turn off place bets when the shooter is still rolling to make the point, does this protect them from being wiped out if a 7 comes up?

Quote: derik999

When (and if you can) you turn off place bets when the shooter is still rolling to make the point, does this protect them from being wiped out if a 7 comes up?

Yes, it protects you from a 7 the same way I'm protected from a 7 when I'm home, 2 hours from the casino. You can't lose, but you can't win. It's the same as asking for the money back. Only the Pass Line wager (and Come Bets) can't be taken down. You can turn off any other bet in Craps at any time, or take the bet(s) down completely and have them returned to your pocket.

Quote: cclub79

Yes, it protects you from a 7 the same way I'm protected from a 7 when I'm home, 2 hours from the casino. You can't lose, but you can't win. It's the same as asking for the money back. Only the Pass Line wager (and Come Bets) can't be taken down. You can turn off any other bet in Craps at any time, or take the bet(s) down completely and have them returned to your pocket.

Well if someone is on a long roll and you've bought say the 4 and 10 and pressed them up quite a bit, the 7 still has the best odds of showing up so you might choose to turn them off just in case, of course it is a hunch and nothing else.

I am hesitant to take down my Place Bets, though I do realize that other players turn them off or take them down.
Some bets, such as the DontPass or DontCome bets have already weathered the worst, so leaving them up makes sense.
If your PlaceBets have won taking them down is perhaps motivated by the refrain of You Can't Go Broke By Taking A Profit. I sometimes wish I had the courage to take down my PlaceBets but I tend to not do it. I usually only Place the 6and8 or the InsideNumbers, only rarely going all Across.

Yeah I tend to get a little worried about too much of a good thing when the numbers just keep on hitting. If I had several hundred dollars on the table I'd rather pull the bets, collect the money and either call it a night or start over with the initial bets and see if someone else can get a long hand going. Even though I might have missed out on more money, that little voice in my head says take it and be happy.

Quote: FleaStiff

I usually only Place the 6and 8 or the Inside Numbers, only rarely going all Across.

To work with the lowest house advantage you should place the 6 and 8 and buy the four and ten (for a minimum of $20 apiece. You should do this when the commission is Paid on Wins Only, not when the commission is automatic every time you play.

I am convinced that people place the Inside Numbers, or All Across because they are too lazy to specify. Why play such a large house advantage, just for the satisfaction that every point that is rolled give you a win? You are not truly ahead until you hit 4 or 5 points.

I suggest forgetting about the 5 and 9. But if you must have all the numbers then place them if the Commission is always charged, and buy them if the commission is paid on wins only. Once again, bet in $20 increments.

Why take down place bets? If they were a good bet last time, then they are still a good bet. You just don't have to keep parlaying them if you want to risk less.

And if you are in driving distance of Santa Ana Star Casino in New Mexico don't pass up the best craps rules in the USA.

Don't forget the curse of the Cocktail Waitress, turn them bets off, especially when she bothers the shooter!!

Quote: pacomartin

And if you are in driving distance of Santa Ana Star Casino in New Mexico don't pass up the best craps rules in the USA.

So I looked at the site and I see they advertise a Free buy on the 4/10. So does this mean you have 2 bets on the table where there is no house edge?
Do you have to be on the PL or the DP to be able to play the bet?

Quote: pacomartin

To work with the lowest house advantage you should place the 6 and 8 and buy the four and ten (for a minimum of $20 apiece. You should do this when the commission is Paid on Wins Only, not when the commission is automatic every time you play.

most places will let you buy a 4 or 10 with a $25 bet only paying a $1 commission. if you only have to pay commission on a win then, its a decent bet.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Quote: pacomartin

And if you are in driving distance of Santa Ana Star Casino in New Mexico don't pass up the best craps rules in the USA.

So I looked at the site and I see they advertise a Free buy on the 4/10. So does this mean you have 2 bets on the table where there is no house edge?
Do you have to be on the PL or the DP to be able to play the bet?

No, there's actually THREE bets...they pay Triple on the 2 and 12 on the Field. You don't have to play anything else. We discussed this at length a couple of months ago.

Quote: pacomartin

To work with the lowest house advantage you should place the 6 and 8 and buy the four and ten (for a minimum of $20 apiece. You should do this when the commission is Paid on Wins Only, not when the commission is automatic every time you play.

I suggest forgetting about the 5 and 9. But if you must have all the numbers then place them if the Commission is always charged, and buy them if the commission is paid on wins only. Once again, bet in $20 increments.

You should always find out where the rounding up to the next whole dollar takes place. Some places will charge only $1 even at $30 and collect only on a win. Some round up at $30 but down at $25. Find out!!! A buy on 5/9 at $30 with a $1 vig charged only on a win is a 1.33% HA, better than the line bets.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

What is the best way to figure out all of this information? I would believe asking them during play would be annoying and tedious unless it's very slow. I guess what I'm asking is: what's the proper etiquette? Can you pull the pit boss aside while playing and ask?

On the strip, can I find a table that will take $1 on 30 on the 5/9 and only take the vig on the win? How about within a reasonable distance? Also, can you call the casino for this information?

Quote: ahiromu

What is the best way to figure out all of this information? I would believe asking them during play would be annoying and tedious unless it's very slow. I guess what I'm asking is: what's the proper etiquette? Can you pull the pit boss aside while playing and ask?

On the strip, can I find a table that will take $1 on 30 on the 5/9 and only take the vig on the win? How about within a reasonable distance? Also, can you call the casino for this information?

Stop by a table that has no action and ask the dealers there. If all the tables are in action, pick a dealer who only have 1 or 2 players and ask. If all the tables are fairly busy, ask the Pit.

If none of that works, when your base dealer goes for their break, you might be able to ask them before they leave. Be conscious though that this is their break time, so don't make it a lengthy conversation, and also be prepared that they may not want to even talk about it, which should not be viewed as a negative. It is their break.

Quote: ahiromu

What is the best way to figure out all of this information? I would believe asking them during play would be annoying and tedious unless it's very slow. I guess what I'm asking is: what's the proper etiquette? Can you pull the pit boss aside while playing and ask?

On the strip, can I find a table that will take $1 on 30 on the 5/9 and only take the vig on the win? How about within a reasonable distance? Also, can you call the casino for this information?

I don't think you should ever be shy about asking questions, just try to be considerate in picking your time. I would ask the boxperson; he/she is in charge of the table.

What's the vig on a $30 buy bet? Answer: $2 Q: How about $25?
Up front or only on a win?

This should take very little of their time. The more you can bet for a $1 vig, the lower the house edge; of course, that's only good if you can afford to bet that much! >:-)
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Just say buy for $20. If they ask for $1 right away then you'll know the rules for when you pay. Then up the bet.

They ask for the vig on each payout. This guy playing quarters and dollars turned off his place bets twice before throwing 7's. I have like 40 bucks on the table as opposed to him having less than ten and playing sucker bets to boot. Coincidence, but it still annoyed me.

Quote: goatcabin

I don't think you should ever be shy about asking questions, just try to be considerate in picking your time. I would ask the boxperson; he/she is in charge of the table.

What's the vig on a $30 buy bet? Answer: $2 Q: How about $25?
Up front or only on a win?

This should take very little of their time. The more you can bet for a $1 vig, the lower the house edge; of course, that's only good if you can afford to bet that much! >:-)
Cheers,
Alan Shank

Why wouldn't you ask: "What's the maximum buy bet for a $1 vig?" - or is it kind of a game and they don't like to hear people shopping around?