Mission146
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December 12th, 2012 at 9:02:58 PM permalink
Thank you for the information, I just wish it was on the right side of the country!

Let me ask you this question now that marijuana is legalized in Washington:

Can you fire up in the casino, does it have to be at home, or what are the restrictions on that?
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tringlomane
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December 12th, 2012 at 9:19:25 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Thank you for the information, I just wish it was on the right side of the country!

Let me ask you this question now that marijuana is legalized in Washington:

Can you fire up in the casino, does it have to be at home, or what are the restrictions on that?



Public use of marijuana in WA will still be a "civil infraction" (similar to a speeding ticket).

http://www.aclu-wa.org/sites/default/files/attachments/Marijuana%20I-502%20FAQs%20-%20110712.pdf

I'd be in for $2 ante UTH though!
Paradigm
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December 12th, 2012 at 10:39:08 PM permalink
Quote: CRMousseau

Distribution for Blind in UTH, optimal strategy:
Push (i.e. win with less than a straight, or tie): 41.1%
Win: 8.7%
Loss: 50.2%

Crazy 4 poker
Push: 37.3%
Win: 10.7%
Loss: 52.0%

If you aren't counting pushes as hits, then PC21's sidebet fits right in.


Good info Charles, thank you. I agree with you that the win rate fits right in, but the loss rate makes a horrible comparison.

What is interesting is that these two successful "claw backs" of player edge are so closely aligned. You lose them every other hand, win 10% and push 40%. That may be the magic sauce here. So how do you change the poker table payout to more closely match that win/push/lose profile and maintain its required 25% edge to keep the BJ portion of the game intact?

Could you lower the push threshold to a hand of AX (whatever gets the push % up to say 35%), only pay the Bonus on hands of a three card flush or higher as is (10% of hands) and reduce the payouts in such a manner that you maintain the 25% edge.

You could go for the 21+3 mentality and simply pay all hands greater than a flush 3-1. All hands of AX or higher but not a Flush, push and anything less than AX is lost (make this 55% of hands). That would give -.55 on the losses and +.30 on the 10% of hands that win and pay the uniform 3-1 achieving the required -0.25 EV.

I don't love the example above as you lose all the high payouts, but you could massage this by paying a standard 2-1 for most winning hands and use the excess juice to increase payouts for the highly unlikely hands.

I just think something has to change to get rid of the 70% loss rate on the current poker bet. Players are going to hate that more than the advantage in the BJ game that they aren't sure how to quantify. Give them less losses and smaller payouts on wins on the clawback bet and I think you get a much better player proposition.
tringlomane
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December 12th, 2012 at 10:52:27 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm


I just think something has to change to get rid of the 70% loss rate on the current poker bet. Players are going to hate that more than the advantage in the BJ game that they aren't sure how to quantify. Give them less losses and smaller payouts on wins on the clawback bet and I think you get a much better player proposition.



Personally I agree with Charles here. People have no problem with pushing the blind bet in UTH, and the game couldn't be a house game without it! I guess the only concern is that people that play this game probably have played 3CP at some point.
CRMousseau
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December 13th, 2012 at 5:42:38 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

Crazy moose casino (actualy just a card room) which is just down the street where I live in Mountlake Terrace,WA has a $3 min all the time. Angel of the Winds, a tribal casino 35 miles north has a $2 game in the morning and $3 the rest of the time.



Do Denver or Marsha still work there? If so, tell them Charles from Canada says 'hi' and 'sorry I haven't been by there lately'
Buzzard
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December 13th, 2012 at 2:10:17 PM permalink
Ok I give up ! HELP

PLAYERS CHOICE 21 : " Doubling down and splitting are allowed. Players may split any pair upto a total of 4 hands and Players may double after splitting except with aces in which case players will receive one card on split aces."

I start with 3 cards and have to use a common card. How can I split anything ? What am I missing ?

" After all Poker Bonus wagers are settled, each player will arrange their 3 cards into 2 seperate blackjack hands by making 1 of the 3 cards 'common' to both hands. Players will set their cards in the most advantageous way possible and also decide which hand is to be played first. "

Here's the video : http://renegadetablegames.com/Players_Choice_21.html
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Switch
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December 13th, 2012 at 2:22:25 PM permalink
Let's assume that you are dealt 7,7,9 so you decide to use one of the 7's as your common card. So you would have:-

7 9
7

which gives you 2 hands of 7,7 and 7,9. You can now split the 7,7 as you would in the regular game.
Buzzard
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December 13th, 2012 at 2:24:09 PM permalink
If I have three 7's what is the highest number of hands I can wind up with? 8 ? ?

Great fun for those who like to split 10's LOL
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December 13th, 2012 at 2:25:54 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

If I have three 7's what is the highest number of hands i can wind up with? 8 ? ?



Yes, up to 3 splits on each hand.
Buzzard
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December 13th, 2012 at 2:27:55 PM permalink
Thanks. I knew I was lost, as usual. I might have to split 10's just to see the dealer find room at a crowded table !
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