CRMousseau
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December 8th, 2012 at 6:48:17 PM permalink
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Winners of Casino Journal’s Best New Table Games of 2012 Competition Announced

1st Place
High Card Flush by Galaxy Gaming
2nd Place
Player's Choice 21 by Renegade Table Games
3rd Place
Racing Card Derby by Racing Card Derby

RACING CARD DERBY™ brand table game has proved itself in the world’s biggest market – Nevada and is now approved for use in Nevada . ???



I had two horses in the race and they finished #1 and #2. I wonder if it's too late to patent the phrase "The Mathematician of Champions"??

Serious note, they are both excellent games in my opinion. I hope that with the prize not being necessary for High Card Flush, that Shufflemaster takes a serious look at Player's Choice 21.
Buzzard
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December 8th, 2012 at 8:58:03 PM permalink
And as usual my horse finished third. Somethings never change !
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UCivan
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December 9th, 2012 at 8:10:58 AM permalink
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I had two horses in the race and they finished #1 and #2. I wonder if it's too late to patent the phrase "The Mathematician of Champions"??

Serious note, they are both excellent games in my opinion. I hope that with the prize not being necessary for High Card Flush, that Shufflemaster takes a serious look at Player's Choice 21.



Charles, nice job. I believe if I send my next game to you for the math, my chance of winning something will increase exponentially, I do.

About High Card Flush, I have these questions:

1) If I have a 3-card straight flush and the dealer has a 4-card regular flush, who wins? My "poker" hand is higher, right?
2) If out of my 5-card flush, there is an embedded 3-card straight flush, do I still get a 3-card straight flush bonus?
3) I think with the same bank roll, HCF let you play longer just because it takes more time to squeeze 7 cards than 3 cards. Right?
CRMousseau
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December 9th, 2012 at 9:19:34 AM permalink
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Charles, nice job. I believe if I send my next game to you for the math, my chance of winning something will increase exponentially, I do.



Well, granted I'm playing that up for a bit of fun; I do intend to approach Raving next year and offer to give a talk, however, and I think this fact will prove very useful in convincing them that I'm worth their time and money.

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About High Card Flush, I have these questions:

1) If I have a 3-card straight flush and the dealer has a 4-card regular flush, who wins? My "poker" hand is higher, right?



The dealer's hand wins. Any four-card flush outranks any three-card flush. Straight flushes only matter for the bonus payout.

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2) If out of my 5-card flush, there is an embedded 3-card straight flush, do I still get a 3-card straight flush bonus?



Absolutely correct.

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3) I think with the same bank roll, HCF let you play longer just because it takes more time to squeeze 7 cards than 3 cards. Right?



... Yes and no; on one hand, it does take longer to play a round, not just for the reasons you pointed out, but because it's not as easy for the dealer to quickly find the best hand out of seven cards. When I played this in Laughlin, often times I'd see the dealer set up a three-card flush as their hand, only to notice they had a higher one in another suit. On the other hand, the ability to make a multi-unit raise on your best hands results in (I believe, need to double check) a higher average bet size per round than a game like 3 Card Poker.
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December 11th, 2012 at 1:53:35 PM permalink
High Card Flush is an excellent game and I believe was the clear cut winner. I voted for the #1 and #2 in that order, but missed on #3. I had Racing Card Derby around #5. I think you are going to see High Card Flush all over the place. It's very easy to play, lots of chances to win and fun at the same time. If I had the choice of any game to play in a Casino it would be up there with UTH and Pai Gow and ahead of Three Card.

Players Choice 21 was suprisingly fun and came out of nowewhere in my opinion. I had seen many of the games previously and even just in my initial walkthrough before actually playing anything, it didn't catch my eye. Fun game and will surely get some placements based on it's showing.

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Paradigm
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December 11th, 2012 at 6:18:50 PM permalink
Players Choice 21 was interesting, but the mandatory Three Card Poker bet pay table looked pretty tough on the player. Pushing on any pair and getting 1:1 on a flush. Players are going to look at this as the worst pay table they have ever seen for a TCP PP type bet forgetting that they are playing with a 6 Deck shoe as opposed to a single deck game. I am not sure they will get over the "I am obviously getting screwed on this mandatory bet".

The game set up, where player has an advantage on one bet and the house has the advantage on the other, works in Crazy 4 with the Super Bonus, but there you get to pile on three more units when you get a good hand. In Player's Choice you have BJ double opportunities, but I don't think they would come as often as the pair of Aces or better in Crazy 4 (and even when they come simulaneously, you only get two more units out vs. 3 in Crazy 4). Time will tell, there may be some more tweaking to be done to this game.

High Card Flush has clearly found a niche with its table down in Laughlin being in place for 18 months (I believe). With Galaxy's marketing behind it now and a successful initial placement, we are either going to see if lack of additional table placements is due to a lack of marketing money/muscle or if the game simply doesn't have broad appeal. The good news for the developer is he is going to get an answer on how good his game is in the next 12-18 months and you gotta love that!
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December 11th, 2012 at 7:43:14 PM permalink
My worry about the Players Choice 21 is the mandatory $15 bet, which will be a mandatory $30 minimum or higher in most markets on the weekends.

Casinos just seem to do that, thereby severely limiting the chance for a new game to find it's niche.

How else to explain the dismal failure of Switch on Colorado ?

Plus players often bet above table minimum, but are required to bet that same amount on a poor poker payout schedule ?

And learn a new strategy too ? I wish the game well, but it has a long learning curve on the surface for new players.

What is the hit rate on the poker bet ? Less than 1 in 4 ? Might make for some long losing streaks before even getting a push !

Math guys be my guest, just a WAG on my part.

Plus website rules say dealer will stand on all 17's and 22 is a bust. ( pay attention, Switch )

But the felt in the video for the game says, Dealer must hit soft 17 ??
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Buzzard
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December 11th, 2012 at 8:32:04 PM permalink
" Players will set their cards in the most advantageous way possible and also decide which hand is to be played first. "

Really, player will decide which hand is played first, Really ?
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December 12th, 2012 at 8:14:42 AM permalink
Anybody seen this in live action? On the video the player is not asked to indicate which hand he wants to play first !

http://renegadetablegames.com/Players_Choice_21.html
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Paradigm
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December 12th, 2012 at 8:23:25 AM permalink
Buzz, I think the way you decide which hand to play first is based on how you set the cards.

The hand to the Player's right will receive the first hit card, so that is how they "decide which hand will be played first".

I agree with you on the three mandatory wagers and one being a low hit rate, tough poker pay table. I think the "hit rate" on the poker bet is less than 10%, but I am sure Charles can give us the exact amounts. PP in TCP has a 25.6% hit rate, but almost 17% of that is tied up in the "pair" payout. That only pushes in this paytable, which in my opinion is not a "hit". So you drop to sub 10%.....that is rough!

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