Where can I find High Card Flush?
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November 29th, 2012 at 12:40:13 PM
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I played High Card Flush at Harrah's, Laughlin, NV when I went there a couple of weeks ago. I am going to Arizona, CA, Washington and then heading east coast in the next weeks. Do you have this game in your neighborhood? It's like 3CP, but one could play longer.
November 29th, 2012 at 12:41:43 PM
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Ibelieve it is in Laughlin only...
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November 29th, 2012 at 12:42:39 PM
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I think Laughlin is the only placement so far. Seems like a fun game - hopefully it catches on!
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November 29th, 2012 at 1:10:57 PM
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Someone told me it was in Arizona.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:37:13 PM
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As far as I know it is still at Harrah's in Laughlin. I played pai gow against the dealer who invented the game recently, and I think he said it was still there and doing well.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
November 29th, 2012 at 1:59:16 PM
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Quote: WizardAs far as I know it is still at Harrah's in Laughlin. I played pai gow against the dealer who invented the game recently, and I think he said it was still there and doing well.
This got me chuckling. I also played pai gow against this dealer recently. Did you let him know who you were? You came up in conversation and he seemed to know (of) you.
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November 29th, 2012 at 2:51:44 PM
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I met a Rio dealer who said the same thing. Are we talking about the same dealer in the same casino? BTW, everyone knows (of) Wizard.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:04:39 PM
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Quote: RoyalBJI met a Rio dealer who said the same thing. Are we talking about the same dealer in the same casino? BTW, everyone knows (of) Wizard.
Yep! He called Mike "Shack" but then knew few details, so it was kind of confusing. Seemed like a really nice guy. I thought about telling him to come here, but then he got tapped out before I had the chance.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
November 29th, 2012 at 3:31:57 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusYep! He called Mike "Shack" but then knew few details, so it was kind of confusing. Seemed like a really nice guy. I thought about telling him to come here, but then he got tapped out before I had the chance.
I call Mike, "Shack" and I've never met him...it's just a friendly Moniker that makes him sound like a superstar (ie. "Shaq")
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
November 29th, 2012 at 4:06:23 PM
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Quote: TIMSPEEDI call Mike, "Shack" and I've never met him...it's just a friendly Moniker that makes him sound like a superstar (ie. "Shaq")
That's a good point. And it reminds me...Maybe don't totally blow off the next convention, eh? :-P
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December 1st, 2012 at 9:53:01 AM
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"Shack" is the Wizard's professional name? :)
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December 1st, 2012 at 10:07:37 AM
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I've had lunch with said dealer. He is a nice guy, and we share an interest in antique Chinese gambling games.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 1st, 2012 at 10:19:56 AM
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Question: I realize this is highly unlikely, but should a player and the dealer both have 6-card flushes, how is the winner determined? What is the ranking order of 6-card hands? Do they take just the best 5-card hand, as if it was "6-card stud," or do things like "three pairs" and "two threes-of-a-kind" have their own rankings?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:25:19 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuestion: I realize this is highly unlikely, but should a player and the dealer both have 6-card flushes, how is the winner determined?
Standard poker rankings to break the flush tie. Please see my page on High Card Flush.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 1st, 2012 at 10:51:57 AM
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Oh - standard poker rankings for flushes. I saw your page, but misunderstood it.
You might want to clarify that straights are ignored - i.e. a King-high straight flush does not beat an Ace-high flush. (Yes, you have that as an example, but unless everybody is aware that an "Ace-low straight" isn't normally higher than a King-high straight, it could still be confusing.)
Now that I think about it, if it's a standard 52-card deck, it would be hard to have three pairs - or even one - within a flush...
You might want to clarify that straights are ignored - i.e. a King-high straight flush does not beat an Ace-high flush. (Yes, you have that as an example, but unless everybody is aware that an "Ace-low straight" isn't normally higher than a King-high straight, it could still be confusing.)
Now that I think about it, if it's a standard 52-card deck, it would be hard to have three pairs - or even one - within a flush...
February 15th, 2013 at 6:10:20 PM
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It's going to M casino, Las Vegas.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:41:39 AM
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It's a little off your path but Spotlight 29 in CA has it.
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February 17th, 2013 at 5:28:04 AM
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How is it received?Quote: RogerKintIt's a little off your path but Spotlight 29 in CA has it.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:41:59 AM
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It's at 3 locations now in Laughlin. Harrah's, Belle and the other I forgot. Comeing to Prescott, Az mid year...
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August 2nd, 2013 at 7:46:55 AM
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I played this at Planet Hollywood last week. I had ready about it on here and I wanted to see how I liked it.
The game was empty when I got there and the minimum was $5.
So I sat down, told the dealer "I've never played this before..." Her response, very sarcastically, "Oh, I've never heard that at this table before."
Bad attitude. Not off to a good start.
I told her I'd done my research and would only be playing the ante/bet, no side bets.
"Well if you're playing for even money, this game is basically a no-win for you."
I told her, "As I said, I've done my research. The straight flush bet has a house edge of like 13%."
Her response, "Then why don't you just play 21?"
I just ignored that and told her I still wanted to give it a try. I assume she wanted me to play the side bets so she could hopefully get tipped on a big win.
So, this game is pretty dull. I kept track of whether or not I would have gotten paid on any of the side bets, only once would I have gotten a 10-1 payout on a five card flush. Plus, I had several four card flushes for a 1-1 payout, but that was it. Didn't have one straight flush. I would have gotten destroyed by the side bets.
When the dealer went on break, her relief said the EXACT SAME THING. "No side bets? Why don't you just play 21?" I was getting pretty aggravated by them by this point and responded, "I DO play blackjack, just not here with your crappy Ceasars rules."
After maybe like a half hour of playing nickels, and downing several White Russians, I was up $25. Decided to take my winnings and play a more entertaining game. Didn't tip the dealer. Sorry.
The game was empty when I got there and the minimum was $5.
So I sat down, told the dealer "I've never played this before..." Her response, very sarcastically, "Oh, I've never heard that at this table before."
Bad attitude. Not off to a good start.
I told her I'd done my research and would only be playing the ante/bet, no side bets.
"Well if you're playing for even money, this game is basically a no-win for you."
I told her, "As I said, I've done my research. The straight flush bet has a house edge of like 13%."
Her response, "Then why don't you just play 21?"
I just ignored that and told her I still wanted to give it a try. I assume she wanted me to play the side bets so she could hopefully get tipped on a big win.
So, this game is pretty dull. I kept track of whether or not I would have gotten paid on any of the side bets, only once would I have gotten a 10-1 payout on a five card flush. Plus, I had several four card flushes for a 1-1 payout, but that was it. Didn't have one straight flush. I would have gotten destroyed by the side bets.
When the dealer went on break, her relief said the EXACT SAME THING. "No side bets? Why don't you just play 21?" I was getting pretty aggravated by them by this point and responded, "I DO play blackjack, just not here with your crappy Ceasars rules."
After maybe like a half hour of playing nickels, and downing several White Russians, I was up $25. Decided to take my winnings and play a more entertaining game. Didn't tip the dealer. Sorry.
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August 2nd, 2013 at 8:18:18 AM
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Quote: ams288I played this at Planet Hollywood last week. I had ready about it on here and I wanted to see how I liked it.
The game was empty when I got there and the minimum was $5.
So I sat down, told the dealer "I've never played this before..." Her response, very sarcastically, "Oh, I've never heard that at this table before."
Bad attitude. Not off to a good start.
... ... ...
This underlines how dealers can help to either make or break a new game. I don't think that Dan will be happy to read how the dealers have reacted to new players of HCF in this instance.
August 2nd, 2013 at 8:37:46 AM
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No, not happy.
Getting good dealers assigned to new products is key. I'll let the sales manager know. The Casino and distributor should help each other here.
Getting good dealers assigned to new products is key. I'll let the sales manager know. The Casino and distributor should help each other here.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
August 2nd, 2013 at 9:55:03 AM
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Agree Switch.....what a poor attitude by the dealers here at PH!! And it isn't even like HCF is a difficult game to deal......some dealers need to get a different job if they don't want to be in customer service.
August 2nd, 2013 at 10:01:39 AM
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Quote: Paradigm.some dealers need to get a different job if they don't want to be in customer service.
In Nevada...what else is there?
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August 2nd, 2013 at 10:02:07 AM
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This brings back some bad memories for me at Gold Coast. When GC had my Break Poker on, I went to see the game. I could not recognize the particular dealer on duty because she did not attend my training session. She looked at me and said, "This is a bad game, a house game, go play 21, you make money." :(Quote: PaigowdanNo, not happy.
Getting good dealers assigned to new products is key. I'll let the sales manager know. The Casino and distributor should help each other here.
August 2nd, 2013 at 2:31:26 PM
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Quote: SwitchThis underlines how dealers can help to either make or break a new game. I don't think that Dan will be happy to read how the dealers have reacted to new players of HCF in this instance.
This usually tracks back to Management as well. There would be serious issues if I was walking around and heard or a player told me that a dealer was talking like that to another player. It should be unacceptable.
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August 3rd, 2013 at 9:01:07 AM
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My impression is that in general dealers don't like new games, but they do love new side bets,
particularly those with high payouts (good chances for a decent tip).
particularly those with high payouts (good chances for a decent tip).
winning streaks come and go, losing streak never ends.
August 3rd, 2013 at 1:38:26 PM
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Quote: ams288
After maybe like a half hour of playing nickels, and downing several White Russians, I was up $25. Decided to take my winnings and play a more entertaining game. Didn't tip the dealer. Sorry.
Given how they responded, I don't blame you.
Quote: pokerfaceMy impression is that in general dealers don't like new games, but they do love new side bets,
particularly those with high payouts (good chances for a decent tip).
This makes sense.
August 19th, 2013 at 11:33:07 PM
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This game is in a few casinos/cardrooms in the Seattle area. Muckleshoot was one of them.
August 25th, 2013 at 1:42:47 PM
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Quote: pokerfaceMy impression is that in general dealers don't like new games, but they do love new side bets,
particularly those with high payouts (good chances for a decent tip).
This is absolutely true. Which is a shame and a damn crime. When I dealt I used to kill for a little variety, I loved the challenge (and the token raise) that came with a new game.
Nowadays, half the satisfaction I get from playing games that my clients have done involves knowing I'm trolling a miserable dealer, sad as that is.
August 25th, 2013 at 3:20:50 PM
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Well, I will play devil's advocate, as it's open. Why should a dealer like to learn a new game ? Pay is still the same. How often does a dealer get a 2 minute " It's simple really " instead of an actual training session ?
Why are rack cards not there on new table games ? Being as how it's a new game and even good one will take a long time to get a following, why must my tips suffer ? Of course if tips are pooled, everyone takes a paycut until the casino drops this loser ?
How much money did Switch earn for dealers at MardiGras in Blackhawk ? How much longer must dealers stand and try not to look bored when assigned to Crazy 4 Poker at the Riviera ?
Not pointing fingers, just stating facts !
Why are rack cards not there on new table games ? Being as how it's a new game and even good one will take a long time to get a following, why must my tips suffer ? Of course if tips are pooled, everyone takes a paycut until the casino drops this loser ?
How much money did Switch earn for dealers at MardiGras in Blackhawk ? How much longer must dealers stand and try not to look bored when assigned to Crazy 4 Poker at the Riviera ?
Not pointing fingers, just stating facts !
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August 25th, 2013 at 4:08:42 PM
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I like new games just like I enjoyed working different positions radar/tower/ground/whatever at work. I would think most people who enjoy their jobs would like the variety, but I could easily be wrong. I think Buzz has a point, in that there are real consequences for dealer errors on a new game, and I bet dealers would enjoy them a lot more if they had really good training and practice time before they were stuck on a live game. It's definitely painful to see an untrained dealer struggle through UTH, or PGP, and I see more of that than I would expect. It can't be pleasant to be thrown in on a new paytable with a supervisor hovering, no training time, and your job at stake.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
August 25th, 2013 at 5:35:45 PM
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Quote: etablegamesThis brings back some bad memories for me at Gold Coast. When GC had my Break Poker on, I went to see the game. I could not recognize the particular dealer on duty because she did not attend my training session. She looked at me and said, "This is a bad game, a house game, go play 21, you make money." :(
Not excusing her behavior, but not the least bit surprised she was assigned this game despite not having attended your training session
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
August 25th, 2013 at 5:36:58 PM
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I have always assumed anyone name Babs would enjoy working different positions. LOL
Shed not for her
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Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
August 25th, 2013 at 9:56:57 PM
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Quote: beachbumbabsI like new games just like I enjoyed working different positions radar/tower/ground/whatever at work. I would think most people who enjoy their jobs would like the variety, but I could easily be wrong. I think Buzz has a point, in that there are real consequences for dealer errors on a new game, and I bet dealers would enjoy them a lot more if they had really good training and practice time before they were stuck on a live game. It's definitely painful to see an untrained dealer struggle through UTH, or PGP, and I see more of that than I would expect. It can't be pleasant to be thrown in on a new paytable with a supervisor hovering, no training time, and your job at stake.
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August 26th, 2013 at 10:06:33 AM
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Quote: pokerfaceMy impression is that in general dealers don't like new games, but they do love new side bets,
particularly those with high payouts (good chances for a decent tip).
I was actually told the other day by a dealer that she hates all side bets. She claims originally people would get $1 or $2.50 chips after a blackjack and would typically then bet them for the dealer on the next hand. But now instead they put that money into the side bet, which will commonly lose or if it does win the player will just keep pumping the winnings into the side bet until it's all gone. Of course she didn't bother to mention what happens when the big payout of the side bet hits...
August 26th, 2013 at 12:34:51 PM
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Dealers should just stick to dealing and taking care of the people at their table. Most have no clue how different games/side bets/rule changes affect the toke rate. Tipping is more about the person then the game. I tip whether I'm playing regular blackjack with no side bet, blackjack with a side bet, carnival games, craps, etc, etc. The game makes no difference to me or to most anyone who is going to tip.
ZCore13
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August 26th, 2013 at 12:43:29 PM
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Dj,
Saw the atc in your handle and wondered if there was a connection. I have 25+ years in, retired in 2009, do some aviation weather/training/HITL/accident investigation consulting. Best job in the world for the right person; I loved it. There is NOTHING like the zone buried in a radar scope, turnin and burnin. The sequester is no one's friend. I've been hired for a consultant gig in DC pending restoration of funds to the job myself, been on standby since May. I really hope you are able to get into the field. Be sure to be a frequent face at your local facilities, dress for success, be positive and interested; they can help bring you aboard some times. You're welcome to PM me about it if you want to tell me the details.
Saw the atc in your handle and wondered if there was a connection. I have 25+ years in, retired in 2009, do some aviation weather/training/HITL/accident investigation consulting. Best job in the world for the right person; I loved it. There is NOTHING like the zone buried in a radar scope, turnin and burnin. The sequester is no one's friend. I've been hired for a consultant gig in DC pending restoration of funds to the job myself, been on standby since May. I really hope you are able to get into the field. Be sure to be a frequent face at your local facilities, dress for success, be positive and interested; they can help bring you aboard some times. You're welcome to PM me about it if you want to tell me the details.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 2nd, 2013 at 4:36:06 PM
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This game dead yet? It's nowhere in SoCal.
October 2nd, 2013 at 4:47:33 PM
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I just saw High Card Flush at the Rampart. It is also at the Spotlight 29 in Indio, CA.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 2nd, 2013 at 4:52:36 PM
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That's too far south for me! Where else is this game played? I saw it at M.
October 2nd, 2013 at 7:55:09 PM
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Quote: ThermosThis game dead yet? It's nowhere in SoCal.
It's just starting. It's only been in Las Vegas for a few months.
ZCore13
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October 2nd, 2013 at 8:36:01 PM
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They were dealing it at Planet Hollywood last week.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 3rd, 2013 at 3:37:35 AM
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I saw it in Huddersfield (UK) on trial a few weekends ago - most people also playing the side bets and some with SFs went home happy. I did try it, found it interesting and like all games the dealer had a lucky streak. The one bit I didn't like, probably due to the maths, is with a good hand where you've raised and the dealer doesn't qualify you only get even money - this was the problem with 5-card poker - but at least here you have the side-bet available (at slightly different odds see :- http://www.whatsongrosvenor.co.uk/ltp/High-Card-Flush.pdf ).Quote: Zcore13It's just starting..
October 4th, 2013 at 7:38:25 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
October 4th, 2013 at 8:57:24 PM
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Yup - Just went live at four queens.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
October 5th, 2013 at 1:13:30 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
October 13th, 2013 at 10:58:34 PM
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I just played it for 2 hours tonight at Buffalo Run casino here in Oklahoma :)
October 15th, 2013 at 8:59:09 AM
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When I was playing at Buffalo Run, I took note of the side bet odds because they were a bit different. The straight flush bet paid 500-1 for a 7-card SF, then 200-1, 100-1, 50-1 down to 7-1 for a 3 card SF. Is my math correct in saying this is a 19.3% house edge bet?
The flush bet seems to be a lot better though, at 100-1 for a 7-card flush, then 20-1, 10-1, and 2-1 for a 4-card flush. Once again, pending my math being correct, I get a 5.3% house edge which is better than the tables on the Wizard of Odds site.
The flush bet seems to be a lot better though, at 100-1 for a 7-card flush, then 20-1, 10-1, and 2-1 for a 4-card flush. Once again, pending my math being correct, I get a 5.3% house edge which is better than the tables on the Wizard of Odds site.
October 15th, 2013 at 9:16:32 AM
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I saw it at Isleta Casino in ABQ, NM. Fun game when counting cards becomes a chore.
