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March 8th, 2010 at 9:25:20 AM permalink
If a man walks up to a blackjack table, buys in for $100 and tips $20 over the next hour he is a great tipper.

If a man walks up to a blackjack table, buys in for $500 and tips $20 over the next hour he is okay.

If a man walks up to a blackjack table, buys in for $2000 and tips $20 over the next hour he is flea.

If a man walks up to a blackjack table, buys in for $10,000 and tips $20 over the next hour he is a cheap ****** ******.

But why is this? The same level of service is being provided by the dealer regardless of if the man's average bet is $5 or $500 per hand. Okay, you can argue that additional paperwork might be needed for the pit staff for the high roller buy ins/markers etc.

I remember the Wizard had an interview with a cocktail waitress who felt that high rollers should tip her $5 to $10 per drink, while normal patrons should give her $1 to $2 per drink. Same drink, same service, unless the high roller is asking for something special that takes her a while to make.

Any high rollers/mid rollers out there want to comment? Should high rollers feel obligated to tip more?
jwptceo
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March 8th, 2010 at 9:47:27 AM permalink
Ok so if you go into a restaurant with your family and order 5 hamburgers and sodas and the kids are a hassle and you get a lot of soda refills and your bill comes to 35 dollars and you leave 7 you feel fine. If you went to the same restaurant with 5 adults each order a steak and a mixed drink and the bill comes to 100 dollars, and you left 7 you would be a jerk. Now those two scenerios took about the same amount of effort from the waitress but the tip varies. Tips are a percentage, while not as set in stone in a casino setting as in other forums thats the way the world works. While your at it you could say that since almost all dealers pool tips why bother tipping at all since the person its intended for will get little benifit out of it. But you just have to trust that the majority of people will do the right thing.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:11:06 AM permalink
I probably fall on the cheap side of dealer tipping, most of the time, at the casino, which is odd, since for restaurant service I generally leave 25% to 40%.
I play strictly craps, and I will put $5 to $30 in play for the dealers, when I shoot, depending on how the session has been going. If I am up the $30 will go into play. I make a bet that I control, so the dealers get to take the winnings, every time it hits, but the casino will get the $30 when the 7 out comes.
I like this bet as the dealers can get a high amount if the roll is good, but my outlay is capped.
If I make a huge amount right at the end, I will tip 10% of the win amount, IF I AM UP.

I suppose this could be considered cheap, but I am already fighting a HA of 2% to 5%, and if the dealers expected 10% up front, I would be in a hole that you cannot escape from. I feel it is unreasonable to expect a player who just lost $2,000 to tip the dealer a set %. I agree with a comment here about "being a polite winner, and a gracious loser", and if I have just busted out I usually have <$10 in riff-raff chips that I will give to the dealer, but it is more a token than any real value.

I know there are a few dealers on here. I would be interested to see your comments about me only tipping when I win. Am I being cheap ?
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:14:59 AM permalink
In the restaurant, tips are based upon a percentage of the total. But is that really the only factor?

If you're going to a restaurant, and are bringing several rug rats with you, would you go to a place where the bill will probably be $100, or more like $35? Isn't part of that decision influenced by the patrons ability to pay? I mean, if your financial situation enables you to take the kids to an expensive restaurant, you should be prepared to tip accordingly as well.

Similarly, if your financial situation enables you to play in the high-roller pit, you sould tip more than the low-rollers.

Ditto if you're somewhere inbetween.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:35:49 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

for restaurant service I generally leave 25% to 40%.



40% ? wow!

Quote: RaleighCraps

If I make a huge amount right at the end, I will tip 10% of the win amount, IF I AM UP...I know there are a few dealers on here. I would be interested to see your comments about me only tipping when I win. Am I being cheap ?



I can't see how you can be faulted, I'm betting they wish most would follow your lead.

Myself, I make a gesture of making some cheap 2-way prop bets, and tip at the end if I am winning or about even about $10 only. Unless I am really flush with a great day then it is more, but not necessarily a percentage.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:44:50 AM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

I probably fall on the cheap side of dealer tipping, most of the time, at the casino, which is odd, since for restaurant service I generally leave 25% to 40%.
I play strictly craps, and I will put $5 to $30 in play for the dealers, when I shoot, depending on how the session has been going. If I am up the $30 will go into play. I make a bet that I control, so the dealers get to take the winnings, every time it hits, but the casino will get the $30 when the 7 out comes.
I like this bet as the dealers can get a high amount if the roll is good, but my outlay is capped.
If I make a huge amount right at the end, I will tip 10% of the win amount, IF I AM UP.

I suppose this could be considered cheap, but I am already fighting a HA of 2% to 5%, and if the dealers expected 10% up front, I would be in a hole that you cannot escape from. I feel it is unreasonable to expect a player who just lost $2,000 to tip the dealer a set %. I agree with a comment here about "being a polite winner, and a gracious loser", and if I have just busted out I usually have <$10 in riff-raff chips that I will give to the dealer, but it is more a token than any real value.

I know there are a few dealers on here. I would be interested to see your comments about me only tipping when I win. Am I being cheap ?



Not a dealer in a real casino (actually the interview is tomorrow!) but a few comments.

First, I like the idea of putting bets in play and leaving them for the craps dealers. This shows appriciation and also ties your interests to theirs.

But you should not only tip "if you are up." The tip should be based on the service level the dealer gives to you. If s/he was friendly/funny/helpful your winnings and the tip are two independent things.

Put another way, think of it like the "Entertainment" coupon book, or whatever they call the 2:1 book of deals in your city. It says in the book you should tip on the check amount *before* all discounts are applied, not after. In other words, the fact that you are getting a discount has nothing to do with the effort required of the waitress. Same with the dealer. You get good service you should tip, no matter if their 21 beat your 20 5 times in a row.

I find it easiest to tip for a win along the way if you are sitting at the table any legnth of time.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:49:51 AM permalink
I as a dealer have no problem with only being tipped by winners, and 10% of a win I believe to be very generous. I personally also love it when I get tipped when I leave the table. It makes me feel appreciated, especially if a player has not tipped up to that point.

I believe however that Tips should be proportional to the betting amount of the player, especially when the player is a major player - if the player is winning. I do not expect tips from a losing player, so If I receive them I appreciate it more as I know it is for good service.

Tips should only be given for good service, or for big wins (if the dealer is providing decent service), and personally I feel 1% of the win/buyin is a great tip. Maybe thats because the UK doesnt have the tipping culture, so I'm not used to tips all the time.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:52:53 AM permalink
I know some people here are not going to like this, but I don't tip dealers. Sorry guys! I only play blackjack (and +EV video poker, but no tips required there) and I simply am not willing to give up my tiny edge over the casino in tips. I don't bet thousands, so even a few bucks here and there will erode my advantage. On the up side, I don't usually play at the same table for too long. Never got any grief from the dealers for not tipping, not that I would care what they think of me anyway.

I do tip cocktail waiters and waitresses $1 for the rare bottle of water I order (the only thing I drink in a casino). And of course, I tip the restaurant servers in (or out of) a casino, even if its a free meal.
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March 8th, 2010 at 10:55:31 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Quote: RaleighCraps

for restaurant service I generally leave 25% to 40%.


40% ? wow!



Ah, the misleading power of numbers.

If my bill comes to $10, I've been known to leave $14.... ie. 40%

I have tipped $40 on a $100 bill, but you better believe the service was impeccable and had a smile.
Generally speaking when the bill gets up to the point where the server is going to get more than $20 for a 20% tip, I will just go with the 20-25%.
I think the service industry is one of the hardest jobs going. I know I certainly wouldn't want to do it, and if I did do it, I would likely be lousy at it. Bless them all.
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March 8th, 2010 at 11:26:17 AM permalink
Here in Vegas it is indeed proper etiquette to tip dealers and cocktail waitresses in part according to how much you are betting. It may not seem rational, but the same principle applies to lots of areas. Take bottle service in a restaurant. One table orders a $1,000 bottle, and another a $50 bottle. Assuming an 18% tip, that would be $180 for opening the expensive bottle, and $9 for opening the cheap one.

In the casino, I think one could argue that the big bettor is probably getting better service. In the high-limit areas they have the best dealers, a higher staff to player ratio, and prettier cocktail waitresses. So it doesn't seem unreasonable to tip more for the better service. Much like nobody argues tipping more for an $80 steak than an $8 hamburger.
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