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August 30th, 2012 at 7:15:24 PM permalink
Which would you rather play (Banker)?

Baccarat has a 5% commision. HE is 1.06%.
EZ Baccarat is commision free, but if the Banker wins with a 3card 7, then it's a tie. HE is 1.02%

EZ Baccarat has a slightly lower house edge thus my pick.
What's yours?

Also, whats the house edge on EZ Baccarat as Player since he cant lose on a Bankers 3card 7?
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:31:03 PM permalink
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:32:53 PM permalink
I am now counting dragon 7 for fun and (a little) profit,
But I prefer midi-bac cause I love squeezing a little drama out of those cards...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:36:57 PM permalink
A past discussion is here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/4130-question-about-baccarat-vs-ez-baccarat/

In SoCal the EZ Bac games can be found easily in a casino but not in the high limit areas.
There must be a reason.

I just like to tell people that play EZBac, my wife included, that the Player bet now has a higher winning probability than the Banker bet.
The Asians hate hearing that one.
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:38:36 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

I am now counting dragon 7 for fun and (a little) profit,
But I prefer midi-bac cause I love squeezing a little drama out of those cards....

I also agree with ibeatyou...work these dumps for all the comps you can



bet bothsides on which?
bacarat or EZ bacarat?
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:41:53 PM permalink
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:53:40 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I first saw this at Horseshoe SI and when I also saw that the player didn't lose to the bank three card 7, there just had to be a way to exploit it.

Do you mean the Player Bet or the player making a Banker bet?

When the Banker bet wins with a 3 card 7 (the Dragon 7) all players that made the Player bets still lose.

I have never seen it where the Player bet also pushes on a Dragon7 unless this is a special variant that certain casinos use.

The house would not have it's edge
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:55:49 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds


Also, whats the house edge on EZ Baccarat as Player since he cant lose on a Bankers 3card 7?


https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/6/
the Wizard's page missing a table?

EventProbabilityPaysReturn
Banker win0.436118-1-0.436118
Normal tie0.09506900
Banker 3-card 7 win0.022535-1-0.022535
Player win0.44627910.446279
Total1 -0.012374



I hope you do not think a player that makes a Player bet and the winning hand is the Dragon 7, pushes.
(That would give the Player Bet a 1% edge. Not going to happen)
No casino would always push the Player Bet on a Dragon 7
EventProbabilityPaysReturn
Banker win0.436118-1-0.436118
Normal tie0.09506900
Banker 3-card 7 win0.02253500
Player win0.44627910.446279
Total1 0.010161



All Player Bets lose to the Dragon 7, All Banker Bets push.
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August 30th, 2012 at 7:56:41 PM permalink
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August 30th, 2012 at 8:44:10 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Which would you rather play (Banker)?
EZ Baccarat has a slightly lower house edge thus my pick.


With all the fiddling with lammers and proving up of commissions and commission payments, Baccarat is dealt very much slower, so it is perhaps the preferable game. The ever so slightly lower House Edge of EZ Baccarat applies to very much more money since there is faster dealing and more hands per hour when there are no lammers to handle or explain to neophyte players.
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August 30th, 2012 at 8:51:58 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Have you and a confederate bet table max on opposite sides but not always the same and rack up comps.

I would normally have responded that casinos are not dumb and that dealers and Floor Men will catch on pretty quick to any straddle play by people who pretend not to know each other. Now, after the recent Golden Nugget incident wherein no one but the players noticed the cards being dealt, I'm not so sure if casino personnel are quite so alert or not.

I've wondered if 100.00 Baccarat Straddles followed by 25.00 action at BJ really fools anyone. Or if the casino really cares since that 19:1 payout versus 20:20 payout still means the house has an edge.
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August 30th, 2012 at 8:53:52 PM permalink
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August 30th, 2012 at 9:01:20 PM permalink
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but would having the Banker and Player HE's closer together, say within .005% make baccarat more enjoyable.

I feel like an idiot making the Player bet with the 0.175% higher HE, so I sit there and let the math dictate my play and as a result only bet Banker when I play. I just sit out a hand if I feel the Player bet will win that particular hand although I knwo I can't really "feel" anything that is actually going to happen. Does anyone else feel like that in bacc? Or do you just disregard the higher edge on Player and bet it when you think it is going to win the hand?

Here we are discussing a .04% difference in the the Banker bets of Reg. & EZ Bacc, so maybe they B/P house edges would have to be equal before players would change their bias from normally betting Banker.
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August 30th, 2012 at 9:03:14 PM permalink
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August 30th, 2012 at 9:13:50 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

so I sit there and let the math dictate my play and as a result only bet Banker when I play.

"let the math dictate my play" is undoubtedly pure music to the Wizard's ears. I am often known as "Mr. Banker" for my slavish adherence to that ever so slight better edge. Lots of shoes turn out to be Player heavy though. No matter what anyone "feels".
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August 30th, 2012 at 9:28:05 PM permalink
" let the math dictate my play" is undoubtedly pure music to the Wizard's ears"

Just don't let him hear you say Super Bowl and safety in the same sentence.
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August 30th, 2012 at 9:37:33 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Lots of shoes turn out to be Player heavy though. No matter what anyone "feels".

Good place as any to show my 1 million shoe simulation results. 8 deck

The -5 means the Player won 5 more hands in the shoe than Banker.
The average is 1 (1 more Banker win than Player)
2 (Banker) looks to be the mode
0 looks to be about the 3rd highest outcome.

The cumulative table showing about 43% of the shoes have more Player wins than Banker.
	group          middle     freq  freq/100
------------------------------------------------
-39.50 <= x < -38.50   -39.00        2     0.00%
-38.50 <= x < -37.50   -38.00        1     0.00%
-37.50 <= x < -36.50   -37.00        0   
-36.50 <= x < -35.50   -36.00        4     0.00%
-35.50 <= x < -34.50   -35.00        5     0.00%
-34.50 <= x < -33.50   -34.00        7     0.00%
-33.50 <= x < -32.50   -33.00       11     0.00%
-32.50 <= x < -31.50   -32.00       13     0.00%
-31.50 <= x < -30.50   -31.00       38     0.00%
-30.50 <= x < -29.50   -30.00       53     0.01%
-29.50 <= x < -28.50   -29.00       87     0.01%
-28.50 <= x < -27.50   -28.00      173     0.02%
-27.50 <= x < -26.50   -27.00      220     0.02%
-26.50 <= x < -25.50   -26.00      322     0.03%
-25.50 <= x < -24.50   -25.00      422     0.04%
-24.50 <= x < -23.50   -24.00      664     0.07%
-23.50 <= x < -22.50   -23.00      946     0.09%
-22.50 <= x < -21.50   -22.00     1244     0.12%
-21.50 <= x < -20.50   -21.00     1703     0.17%
-20.50 <= x < -19.50   -20.00     2349     0.23%
-19.50 <= x < -18.50   -19.00     3106     0.31%
-18.50 <= x < -17.50   -18.00     3999     0.40%
-17.50 <= x < -16.50   -17.00     5217     0.52%
-16.50 <= x < -15.50   -16.00     6539     0.65%
-15.50 <= x < -14.50   -15.00     8122     0.81%
-14.50 <= x < -13.50   -14.00    10201     1.02%
-13.50 <= x < -12.50   -13.00    12253     1.23%
-12.50 <= x < -11.50   -12.00    15123     1.51%
-11.50 <= x < -10.50   -11.00    17659     1.77%
-10.50 <= x <  -9.50   -10.00    20460     2.05%
 -9.50 <= x <  -8.50    -9.00    23339     2.33%
 -8.50 <= x <  -7.50    -8.00    26730     2.67%
 -7.50 <= x <  -6.50    -7.00    30349     3.03%
 -6.50 <= x <  -5.50    -6.00    33515     3.35%
 -5.50 <= x <  -4.50    -5.00    36528     3.65%
 -4.50 <= x <  -3.50    -4.00    39135     3.91%
 -3.50 <= x <  -2.50    -3.00    41850     4.18%
 -2.50 <= x <  -1.50    -2.00    43646     4.36%
 -1.50 <= x <  -0.50    -1.00    45135     4.51%
 -0.50 <= x <   0.50     0.00    45982     4.60%
  0.50 <= x <   1.50     1.00    46069     4.61%
  1.50 <= x <   2.50     2.00    46250     4.62%
  2.50 <= x <   3.50     3.00    45412     4.54%
  3.50 <= x <   4.50     4.00    43465     4.35%
  4.50 <= x <   5.50     5.00    41891     4.19%
  5.50 <= x <   6.50     6.00    38896     3.89%
  6.50 <= x <   7.50     7.00    36289     3.63%
  7.50 <= x <   8.50     8.00    33344     3.33%
  8.50 <= x <   9.50     9.00    29988     3.00%
  9.50 <= x <  10.50    10.00    26844     2.68%
 10.50 <= x <  11.50    11.00    23740     2.37%
 11.50 <= x <  12.50    12.00    20572     2.06%
 12.50 <= x <  13.50    13.00    17749     1.77%
 13.50 <= x <  14.50    14.00    14785     1.48%
 14.50 <= x <  15.50    15.00    12299     1.23%
 15.50 <= x <  16.50    16.00     9906     0.99%
 16.50 <= x <  17.50    17.00     8097     0.81%
 17.50 <= x <  18.50    18.00     6664     0.67%
 18.50 <= x <  19.50    19.00     5191     0.52%
 19.50 <= x <  20.50    20.00     4014     0.40%
 20.50 <= x <  21.50    21.00     3081     0.31%
 21.50 <= x <  22.50    22.00     2332     0.23%
 22.50 <= x <  23.50    23.00     1641     0.16%
 23.50 <= x <  24.50    24.00     1298     0.13%
 24.50 <= x <  25.50    25.00      955     0.10%
 25.50 <= x <  26.50    26.00      654     0.07%
 26.50 <= x <  27.50    27.00      462     0.05%
 27.50 <= x <  28.50    28.00      314     0.03%
 28.50 <= x <  29.50    29.00      227     0.02%
 29.50 <= x <  30.50    30.00      139     0.01%
 30.50 <= x <  31.50    31.00      102     0.01%
 31.50 <= x <  32.50    32.00       66     0.01%
 32.50 <= x <  33.50    33.00       48     0.00%
 33.50 <= x <  34.50    34.00       27     0.00%
 34.50 <= x <  35.50    35.00       17     0.00%
 35.50 <= x <  36.50    36.00        8     0.00%
 36.50 <= x <  37.50    37.00        2     0.00%
 37.50 <= x <  38.50    38.00        2     0.00%
 38.50 <= x <  39.50    39.00        5     0.00%
 39.50 <= x <  40.50    40.00        1     0.00%
 40.50 <= x <  41.50    41.00        0   
 41.50 <= x <  42.50    42.00        1     0.00%
 42.50 <= x <  43.50    43.00        1     0.00%


                   cumulative
------------------------------------------------
-39.50 <= x < -38.50   -39.00        2     0.00%
-38.50 <= x < -37.50   -38.00        3     0.00%
-37.50 <= x < -36.50   -37.00        3     0.00%
-36.50 <= x < -35.50   -36.00        7     0.00%
-35.50 <= x < -34.50   -35.00       12     0.00%
-34.50 <= x < -33.50   -34.00       19     0.00%
-33.50 <= x < -32.50   -33.00       30     0.00%
-32.50 <= x < -31.50   -32.00       43     0.00%
-31.50 <= x < -30.50   -31.00       81     0.01%
-30.50 <= x < -29.50   -30.00      134     0.01%
-29.50 <= x < -28.50   -29.00      221     0.02%
-28.50 <= x < -27.50   -28.00      394     0.04%
-27.50 <= x < -26.50   -27.00      614     0.06%
-26.50 <= x < -25.50   -26.00      936     0.09%
-25.50 <= x < -24.50   -25.00     1358     0.14%
-24.50 <= x < -23.50   -24.00     2022     0.20%
-23.50 <= x < -22.50   -23.00     2968     0.30%
-22.50 <= x < -21.50   -22.00     4212     0.42%
-21.50 <= x < -20.50   -21.00     5915     0.59%
-20.50 <= x < -19.50   -20.00     8264     0.83%
-19.50 <= x < -18.50   -19.00    11370     1.14%
-18.50 <= x < -17.50   -18.00    15369     1.54%
-17.50 <= x < -16.50   -17.00    20586     2.06%
-16.50 <= x < -15.50   -16.00    27125     2.71%
-15.50 <= x < -14.50   -15.00    35247     3.52%
-14.50 <= x < -13.50   -14.00    45448     4.54%
-13.50 <= x < -12.50   -13.00    57701     5.77%
-12.50 <= x < -11.50   -12.00    72824     7.28%
-11.50 <= x < -10.50   -11.00    90483     9.05%
-10.50 <= x <  -9.50   -10.00   110943    11.09%
 -9.50 <= x <  -8.50    -9.00   134282    13.43%
 -8.50 <= x <  -7.50    -8.00   161012    16.10%
 -7.50 <= x <  -6.50    -7.00   191361    19.14%
 -6.50 <= x <  -5.50    -6.00   224876    22.49%
 -5.50 <= x <  -4.50    -5.00   261404    26.14%
 -4.50 <= x <  -3.50    -4.00   300539    30.05%
 -3.50 <= x <  -2.50    -3.00   342389    34.24%
 -2.50 <= x <  -1.50    -2.00   386035    38.60%
 -1.50 <= x <  -0.50    -1.00   431170    43.12%
 -0.50 <= x <   0.50     0.00   477152    47.72%
  0.50 <= x <   1.50     1.00   523221    52.32%
  1.50 <= x <   2.50     2.00   569471    56.95%
  2.50 <= x <   3.50     3.00   614883    61.49%
  3.50 <= x <   4.50     4.00   658348    65.83%
  4.50 <= x <   5.50     5.00   700239    70.02%
  5.50 <= x <   6.50     6.00   739135    73.91%
  6.50 <= x <   7.50     7.00   775424    77.54%
  7.50 <= x <   8.50     8.00   808768    80.88%
  8.50 <= x <   9.50     9.00   838756    83.88%
  9.50 <= x <  10.50    10.00   865600    86.56%
 10.50 <= x <  11.50    11.00   889340    88.93%
 11.50 <= x <  12.50    12.00   909912    90.99%
 12.50 <= x <  13.50    13.00   927661    92.77%
 13.50 <= x <  14.50    14.00   942446    94.24%
 14.50 <= x <  15.50    15.00   954745    95.47%
 15.50 <= x <  16.50    16.00   964651    96.47%
 16.50 <= x <  17.50    17.00   972748    97.27%
 17.50 <= x <  18.50    18.00   979412    97.94%
 18.50 <= x <  19.50    19.00   984603    98.46%
 19.50 <= x <  20.50    20.00   988617    98.86%
 20.50 <= x <  21.50    21.00   991698    99.17%
 21.50 <= x <  22.50    22.00   994030    99.40%
 22.50 <= x <  23.50    23.00   995671    99.57%
 23.50 <= x <  24.50    24.00   996969    99.70%
 24.50 <= x <  25.50    25.00   997924    99.79%
 25.50 <= x <  26.50    26.00   998578    99.86%
 26.50 <= x <  27.50    27.00   999040    99.90%
 27.50 <= x <  28.50    28.00   999354    99.94%
 28.50 <= x <  29.50    29.00   999581    99.96%
 29.50 <= x <  30.50    30.00   999720    99.97%
 30.50 <= x <  31.50    31.00   999822    99.98%
 31.50 <= x <  32.50    32.00   999888    99.99%
 32.50 <= x <  33.50    33.00   999936    99.99%
 33.50 <= x <  34.50    34.00   999963   100.00%
 34.50 <= x <  35.50    35.00   999980   100.00%
 35.50 <= x <  36.50    36.00   999988   100.00%
 36.50 <= x <  37.50    37.00   999990   100.00%
 37.50 <= x <  38.50    38.00   999992   100.00%
 38.50 <= x <  39.50    39.00   999997   100.00%
 39.50 <= x <  40.50    40.00   999998   100.00%
 40.50 <= x <  41.50    41.00   999998   100.00%
 41.50 <= x <  42.50    42.00   999999   100.00%
 42.50 <= x <  43.50    43.00  1000000   100.00%


Looks like about 1 in 100 shoes the Player dominates the Banker by at least 20 more wins.
I saw one of those once.

All the Asian players lost big time, they were cussing out the Dealer, me cuz I'm white, my wife because she married me??,
the casino,
but they hit a Banker win streak at the end of the shoe (I think it was 5 or 6)
and that proved to them that the shoe was set to favor the Player bet.

Great comedy happens at Bac tables.
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August 31st, 2012 at 4:43:33 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

EZ Baccarat has a slightly lower house edge thus my pick.

Ditto for EZ Pai Gow.

Both EZ versions have a slightly lower edge.

But, particularly with EZPG, since you're not screwing around with commissions on every win, the game runs faster.

Hands per hour is more important to a casino than that very slight loss of edge.

Although I don't play Bacc, I do play Pai Gow Poker. In both cases, I prefer EZ.
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August 31st, 2012 at 5:00:48 AM permalink
Quote: guido111

The cumulative table showing about 43% of the shoes have more Player wins than Banker.


Then why isn't the Banker edge Seven percent?
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August 31st, 2012 at 5:31:33 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Then why isn't the Banker edge Seven percent?



i'm assuming ties
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August 6th, 2019 at 2:19:43 PM permalink
I know this is an old thread but FWIW, I prefer EZ Bacc. The house edge is lower and it avoids the miserable moment in regular Bacc where you lose and have to pay more money to leave. That’s just disheartening.
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