cooperspicks
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May 1st, 2011 at 6:19:21 PM permalink
So with all of this drama breaking down lately about how having online poker being illegal I have to wonder what kind of crack downs may be coming for sports betting and sports handicapping over the next few years?

Was this a move done to pave the wave to make it taxable and legal in the united states or what?
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May 1st, 2011 at 6:22:58 PM permalink
Quote: cooperspicks

So with all of this drama breaking down lately about how having online poker being illegal I have to wonder what kind of crack downs may be coming for sports betting and sports handicapping over the next few years?

Was this a move done to pave the wave to make it taxable and legal in the united states or what?



I sure hope it becomes legal. There is no rational reason for it to not be. I do wonder how Bodog survived and is still taking my action.

Legalized, online sports betting, along with a sportsbook at the casino here, would be great. No worry about money getting siezed. Watch the game with interest. Sports as it was meant to be!
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May 2nd, 2011 at 12:52:01 PM permalink
It's coming. I think online poker and sports betting will both be legal in the U.S within the next 2 or 3 years. There is too much money to be made in taxes and licensing to keep ignoring it.
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May 2nd, 2011 at 12:59:51 PM permalink
Recent history has shown that politicians all eventually descend to the pragmatic level and decide that gambling revenue should be taxable in their jurisdiction rather than leaving the state perhaps to be taxed elsewhere. Sports betting is no different than other gambling: it just has different High Horses from which people prattle on and on about but eventually the politicians get real.
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May 2nd, 2011 at 1:29:13 PM permalink
ESPN's "Outside The Lines" show recently did a piece on people betting on pee-wee football games in Florida. Crazy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6451796
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May 2nd, 2011 at 1:36:15 PM permalink
Quote: cooperspicks

So with all of this drama breaking down lately about how having online poker being illegal I have to wonder what kind of crack downs may be coming for sports betting and sports handicapping over the next few years?

Was this a move done to pave the wave to make it taxable and legal in the united states or what?



This post seems suspicious to me as a way to plop a link to your own tout service. Consider this a warning that future posts should not have a link to your own site, except if done in the Kiosk. That goes for your blog too.
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May 2nd, 2011 at 1:39:30 PM permalink
Check the same poster's two blog posts... which refer to it being football season. It's not even Canadian Football Season.
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May 2nd, 2011 at 2:55:51 PM permalink
Legal, online gambling, is coming. It's just a matter of how soon.

But it won't come all at once.

I am unsure which will come first; casino games or horse race betting, but, IMHO, regular sports betting will come last.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 11:25:27 AM permalink
The NFL will do their best to insure sports betting will be last indeed !
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May 3rd, 2011 at 1:58:30 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This post seems suspicious to me as a way to plop a link to your own tout service.



I think seems is too gentle a word here.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 3:42:57 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

The NFL will do their best to insure sports betting will be last indeed !



One of a growing list of reasons the NFL can KMA.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 3:45:52 PM permalink
I can see it being legal on pro sports, never on college sports. The temptation for corruption would be so great that it will never be legalized.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 3:47:55 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

The NFL will do their best to insure sports betting will be last indeed !



First they ought to try their best to come up with a game this year :P
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May 3rd, 2011 at 5:41:20 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I can see it being legal on pro sports, never on college sports. The temptation for corruption would be so great that it will never be legalized.



It ALREADY is legal in Nevada.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 6:02:23 PM permalink
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It ALREADY is legal in Nevada.



Out of curiosity, can you place wagers on say UNLV?
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May 3rd, 2011 at 7:58:33 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It ALREADY is legal in Nevada.



Being able to bet from your dorm room on a game you're in and are going to try and lose, thats what we don't want happening all over the country.
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May 3rd, 2011 at 9:51:00 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Out of curiosity, can you place wagers on say UNLV?



Yes. I have bet on the UNReno / UNLV football game. I've never looked at the college hoops boards to know if that's also on offer.
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May 4th, 2011 at 3:13:49 AM permalink
SOOPOO. I think Nevada has a system in place to monitor how much heavy action goes down. And in Nevada, you have to physically be there to place a wager, which would make it harder for college athletes to be tempted. I will say one thing about college basketball. Try to handicap the ivory league schools. I think there trying to manipulate the system some how. To many scores against the spread look suspicious to me.
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May 4th, 2011 at 3:34:30 AM permalink
Quote: duckston09

SOOPOO. I think Nevada has a system in place to monitor how much heavy action goes down. And in Nevada, you have to physically be there to place a wager, which would make it harder for college athletes to be tempted. I will say one thing about college basketball. Try to handicap the ivory league schools. I think there trying to manipulate the system some how. To many scores against the spread look suspicious to me.



You response strenghthens my point. Since it is legal, there is a greater likelihood that any shennanigans will be noticed. If a hundred max bets all of a sudden are placed on the Columbia -Dartmouth basketball game, all for one team, I sense the casinos will notice. If the same thing occurs on Bodog, say, I doubt Bodog is alerting the authorities. And of course the real money in point shaving is not from a kid who decides to bet $100 on a game and then go blow it, it is from someone with access to the ability to bet more, who will pay the kid $5,000, and that criminal will bet hundreds of thousands (millions?) and reap the rewards. Whether that criminal spreads it out over many casino spotsbooks, illegal sportsbooks, or internet sportsbooks I cannot say. By the way, I think you mean "Ivy League" schools.
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May 4th, 2011 at 3:51:28 AM permalink
Quote: duckston09

Try to handicap the ivory league schools. I think there trying to manipulate the system some how. To many scores against the spread look suspicious to me.


Heck, I'm having enough trouble trying to handicap the Ivy League schools.
>too many (anything) look suspicious to me.
Well, I don't know much about variance but if there is money riding on it, you can bet someone is trying to rig it.
Just look at all those betting rings using computers from the Orient and bank accounts in the Ukraine to make bets on second-tier European and UK soccer matches.
I'm not going to compare Sports with TV wrestling, because the sports is far more subtle. Its the quality of the acting that varies. Why? Because the amount of money varies. There is always someone with their thumb on the scale or who wants to have his thumb on the scale.
At WeatherBill you used to be able to bet on rainfall. You had to be a million dollar player though. Egad, all I would have needed is 2.88 cents over that one million dollars: Bet a million dollars on precipitation in New Jersey, spend 2.88 for a child's water pistol and knowing that many of those reporting stations are amateur operated and unattended increase the precipitation figures via that water pistol until your one million dollars becomes twelve million with fewer than six pulls of the trigger and a half-hour trip.

Its been know for decades that its easy to rig sports by slight amounts. Getting someone to throw a fight is harder than getting someone to take it easy until the nth round. Getting a basketball team to lose the game is hard, getting the team to win by a couple of fewer points is easy. Jai-ali frontons were rigged for decades. One guy with a hot dog concession watched the betting windows from his grill and figured out what was going on in less than two weeks. So if a burger flipper can figure it out in two weeks, how long is it going to take a Sharpie Gambler to figure it out?
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May 4th, 2011 at 9:29:54 PM permalink
sorry, Ivy
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