"Bet365 Punter Jailed After Winning £236,000 Sports Betting…"

This video was very informative. They have an algorithm that keeps track of every player and they get rid of the ones that do nothing but win. I'm positive all online casinos do this and this is why when somebody on this forum says Bob Bob Bob, why aren't you a millionaire from betting online. Because I'm not an idiot, that's why. I instinctively knew that online casinos would never put up with it long enough for you to get even close to a big number. This is why I bet very conservatively at a bunch of casinos. The only way to make real money is in a brick and mortar Casino and I'm not doing that anymore. Making enough money to pay my bills is just fine I'm totally happy with it. If people reading this are not happy with it, oh well..

Gee wonder who will chime in now with their best non-educated guess as to what I'm REALLY doing. LOL

All the online casinos throttle bet amounts on winners to absurdly low limits so you have to make a new account each time that happens then you get new invitational sign-up bonuses, and you do it over a thousand times at the same place because they bet limited you for winning? Did the guy even take home some money or was it all played through and he took home nothing? If anything, these online casinos should be shut down for fraud when they bet limit the winners like that.

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All the online casinos throttle bet amounts on winners to absurdly low limits
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Tell that to the people here, would you. I constantly get berated because I'm not a millionaire from betting online and I absolutely know they would not put up with it. If I owned the casino I sure wouldn't put up with it. It would be like tolerating shoplifters in your place of business. I bet very conservatively and never win a whole lot at any one Casino and I still expect them all to shut me down eventually.

The video is from the UK and he's talking about non-USA online casinos. Your state lottery type online casinos I don't know if they are that way. Online casinos in Pennsylvania or New Jersey are a different story than Michigan or Wisconsin.

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The video is from the UK and he's talking about non-USA online casinos. Your state lottery type online casinos I don't know if they are that way. Online casinos in Pennsylvania or New Jersey are a different story than Michigan or Wisconsin.
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Of course they're that way, you think anyone owning a casino is going to let you win as much money as you want and not stop you? They're not in business to do that, they're in business to make money not give it away. I've already been backed off from one Michigan casino but I can't prove it because how would you prove it. They're not going to tell you. I can log in, deposit money, make a bet, and every single time I do it when the spin or the hand is over a little window pops up and says 'cannot verify your bet'. I sent a written letter to the state because that's the only way you can communicate with them they wrote me back and said the casino claims it's not on their end it must be my fault. So what do I do now they literally have me between a rock and a hard place because of course the state gets all their money from the casinos, whose side are they going to be on.

The video maker of the original video has himself had accounts been affected by bet365 because he won. Other people could come up short just flat betting 100 pounds and get cut-off before the wins come in, so this online casino has turned into a one-armed bandit criminal enterprise instead of a true gambling place.

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The video maker of the original video has himself had accounts been affected by bet365 because he won. Other people could come up short just flat betting 100 pounds and get cut-off before the wins come in, so this online casino has turned into a one-armed bandit criminal enterprise instead of a true gambling place.

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I didn't watch the video but if he won $8 000 US dollars in 7 days making small bets I would expect to be banned.

did you forget to change your account or something

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This video was very informative. They have an algorithm that keeps track of every player and they get rid of the ones that do nothing but win. I'm positive all online casinos do this and this is why when somebody on this forum says Bob Bob Bob, why aren't you a millionaire from betting online. Because I'm not an idiot, that's why. I instinctively knew that online casinos would never put up with it long enough for you to get even close to a big number. This is why I bet very conservatively at a bunch of casinos. The only way to make real money is in a brick and mortar Casino and I'm not doing that anymore. Making enough money to pay my bills is just fine I'm totally happy with it. If people reading this are not happy with it, oh well..

Gee wonder who will chime in now with their best non-educated guess as to what I'm REALLY doing. LOL
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It's good to know you find this "tout" and his video very informative. You might want to understand why it's important for him to push the "they ban your account's with an algorithm" naritive and why he is using that headline.

Most informed people know and admit casinos online and off-line bann players who win too much.
This isn't new information. You claim that you have come up with a method that can beat roulette with an astonishing 80% hit rate. You have known about and have been playing online for many years now and you haven't figured out how to make millions. As soon as Bitcoin was accepted and used for payment methods at Bovada was the day you should have been on your way to making Millions. It's been many years now that Crypto Currency has been standard at all offshore online casino there are over 10,000 online casino's.

There are some really dumb idiots who can't figure out how to make millions using their casino crushing betting methods online even when there's soo many different ways and options.

Certainly you are not one of those dumb idiots. So Why haven't you made millions online?

Personally I believe this guys entire series of videos are nothing but an affiliate scheme but since you think this guy's video is very informative yiu should check out his other videos where he shows you one simple way how go get around this supposed algorithm.

Bob, keep your crap system discussion confined to your own threads.

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Bob, keep your crap system discussion confined to your own threads.
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I've never used a system, I only have a method. And my wonderful method is completely relevant in this thread. I keep forgetting you're in charge, next time I'll PM you first to see if it's okay.

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The video is from the UK and he's talking about non-USA online casinos. Your state lottery type online casinos I don't know if they are that way. Online casinos in Pennsylvania or New Jersey are a different story than Michigan or Wisconsin.
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Of course they're that way, you think anyone owning a casino is going to let you win as much money as you want and not stop you? They're not in business to do that, they're in business to make money not give it away. I've already been backed off from one Michigan casino but I can't prove it because how would you prove it. They're not going to tell you. I can log in, deposit money, make a bet, and every single time I do it when the spin or the hand is over a little window pops up and says 'cannot verify your bet'. I sent a written letter to the state because that's the only way you can communicate with them they wrote me back and said the casino claims it's not on their end it must be my fault. So what do I do now they literally have me between a rock and a hard place because of course the state gets all their money from the casinos, whose side are they going to be on.
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I believe the Michigan Gaming Control holds monthly meetings, if I was you I would be at them during the open forum and asking these questions.

I have netted over $100K at nine different online casinos (netting bonus money plus wins minus wagers). None of these eight casinos have cut me off completely. I get some offers from every one of them and some still give me very valuable offers. The only two casinos that cut me off completely probably did it because I made simple greedy mistakes in my pattern of play. I have a host who seems to love me even though I netted over 250K at his online casino.

Better to make $100K or $200K and get kicked out than to make peanuts and cringe in fear of the algorithms. There are plenty of online casinos if you are sent packing from one.

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Better to make $100K or $200K and get kicked out than to make peanuts and cringe in fear of the algorithms. There are plenty of online casinos if you are sent packing from one.
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I think the only real argument against that would be if someone values playing over winning.

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Bob, keep your crap system discussion confined to your own threads.
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I've never used a system, I only have a method. And my wonderful method is completely relevant in this thread. I keep forgetting you're in charge, next time I'll PM you first to see if it's okay.
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Let's call that 3 days for hijacking.
I'll caution that I'm not above Martingaling, since I have a seemingly limitless number of suspension days to play.
(I believe the current record is 6 months, but I'm confident it can be bested.)

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Better to make $100K or $200K and get kicked out than to make peanuts and cringe in fear of the algorithms. There are plenty of online casinos if you are sent packing from one.
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I think the only real argument against that would be if someone values playing over winning.
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Or if you enjoy writing an endless stream of nonsense posts about your 'method' more than winning.

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There are some really dumb idiots who can't figure out how to make millions using their casino crushing betting methods online even when there's soo many different ways and options.
Certainly you are not one of those dumb idiots. So Why haven't you made millions online?
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If you have an original question that you've never asked before, feel free. I've already answered this one multiple times

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There are some really dumb idiots who can't figure out how to make millions using their casino crushing betting methods online even when there's soo many different ways and options.
Certainly you are not one of those dumb idiots. So Why haven't you made millions online?
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If you have an original question that you've never asked before, feel free. I've already answered this one multiple times
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And yet, none of your answers made any logical sense. Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.
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Plenty of examples have been given.

Just off the top of my head you replied you never use a martingale but only flatbet.

Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.

Then described how you use a Dalembert by doubling your wager after every loss which is actually a Martingale which you claimed you also never use.

Alice in wonderland made more sense because there the nonsense was puns and therefore it made sense if you thought about it. Your nonsense is simply contrary claims and statements

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Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.
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Yep, but only do I ever use it when I'm screwing around with penny roulette, I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use a progression when I'm betting real money. But you know this, don't you.

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.
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Plenty of examples have been given.

Just off the top of my head you replied you never use a martingale but only flatbet.

Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.

Then described how you use a Dalembert by doubling your wager after every loss which is actually a Martingale which you claimed you also never use.

Alice in wonderland made more sense because there the nonsense was puns and therefore it made sense if you thought about it. Your nonsense is simply contrary claims and statements
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You and Axle just can't get enough of the ole Bob merry go round can you. :)

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Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.
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Yep, but only do I ever use it when I'm screwing around with penny roulette, I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use a progression when I'm betting real money. But you know this, don't you.
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We don't know this. We know that you attempted to show us you could beat roulette using your system but now you're basically telling us you used everything but your system.

We know you failed providing proof you could beat roulette multiple times. We know people are laughing at you, and not with you. Assuming all those mean bully Gamblers Glenners are reading, they are sparkling with delight knowing they were all right.

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.
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Plenty of examples have been given.

Just off the top of my head you replied you never use a martingale but only flatbet.

Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.

Then described how you use a Dalembert by doubling your wager after every loss which is actually a Martingale which you claimed you also never use.

Alice in wonderland made more sense because there the nonsense was puns and therefore it made sense if you thought about it. Your nonsense is simply contrary claims and statements
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You and Axle just can't get enough of the ole Bob merry go round can you. :)
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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely and go cat man crazy would you? Obviously I'm doing God's work by donating my time to the elderly.

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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely and go cat man crazy would you?

Give me some time to think about that.

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We don't know this.
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That's because when you read my posts you see what you want to see and disregard the rest. That's the only explanation there could be. I can explain the same thing over and over and you'll say don't get it. Or you're confused. Or I contradict myself. The fault is on your end not mine.

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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely
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Not possible to be lonely when you have 14 cats.

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Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.
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Yep, but only do I ever use it when I'm screwing around with penny roulette, I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever use a progression when I'm betting real money. But you know this, don't you.
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We don't know this. We know that you attempted to show us you could beat roulette using your system but now you're basically telling us you used everything but your system.

We know you failed providing proof you could beat roulette multiple times. We know people are laughing at you, and not with you. Assuming all those mean bully Gamblers Glenners are reading, they are sparkling with delight knowing they were all right.
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Multiple posts of EB explaining that he doesn't have to show large bets BECAUSE if he can show his system of crap wins at pennies its the same system of crap that works at large amounts.

Now EB is saying that system of crap wasn't even the system of crap he uses.

The crap from EB is mind-boggling

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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely
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Not possible to be lonely when you have 14 cats.
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I believe 18 out of 38 cats agree with this.

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Now EB is saying that system of crap wasn't even the system of crap he uses.
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What system are you ranting about, I don't use a system. When I play for real money I only flat bet. When I play around for fun for pennies I usually use a progression like in Penny roulette. I don't know how many times I've said this or how many more times I have to say it before you get it. I'm betting it's a lot more times. Maybe you'll never get it cuz you don't want to.

There should be a difference made between online sports betting and casino play. Sportsbooks often limit after just one bet regardless of win or loss. While I think they do just want to have 2 people bet opposite sides of the market and keep the spread, many have off market prices where they basically catch sharp bettors(Bet MGM). They will then limit them to $20 but will take $2000 on the bad side to bettors not paying attention to prices. They are in effect advertising a price at which they refuse to sell at. Presumably they have software that tracks players and the prices the buy at and those prices in relation to the rest of the market. Winning or losing doesn’t matter it’s the mindset they don’t want. It’s akin to kicking out a card counter who’s down. Regardless of win/loss you just don’t want that player.

Online casinos are completely the opposite in my experience. They have a very long leash. Even if you plainly only deposit and play with bonuses and promos they for the most part don’t care. I have played at the same places for years and never been counter measured except for one place. If they do they just cut off your promos. You can still play straight up.

Two things I will note. Playing in the casino seems to give no longevity to sports limits. A competent manager will realize that a player who wins on sports but then goes and plays blackjack is worth keeping. But the sports traders seem to have broad discretion on who to limit regardless of that person’s other play. Awhile ago DraftKings partially limited me. My host checked with the trade desk and said those limits are going to stay. So I said ok then no more casino play either and I withdrew my money.

Second I do find it somewhat interesting that they cut sharp sports bettors very quickly, even civilians who just happen to buy a good line, but give long leashes on casino bonuses. I try to not lean into conspiracy theories but I do find it interesting. The only thing they control with sports is the line. Everything else is out of their control. Of course the price of the line is the most important thing but in the end if a bet wins they have to pay. So they limit winners. On the casino side they control everything. How much a bonus is, how much you have to play and on which games. Almost every bonus is beatable in some way using math. But the thing is you have no way of telling if the game is truly fair. So the bonuses are beatable but for some reason they don’t limit players. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve bet on banker and 5 9’s in a row come for the player. Makes you wonder.

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Now EB is saying that system of crap wasn't even the system of crap he uses.
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What system are you ranting about, I don't use a system. When I play for real money I only flat bet. When I play around for fun for pennies I usually use a progression like in Penny roulette. I don't know how many times I've said this or how many more times I have to say it before you get it. I'm betting it's a lot more times. Maybe you'll never get it cuz you don't want to.
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I totally get it.

There's nothing to get with your system. A system and method of crap nothing

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Now EB is saying that system of crap wasn't even the system of crap he uses.
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What system are you ranting about, I don't use a system. When I play for real money I only flat bet. When I play around for fun for pennies I usually use a progression like in Penny roulette. I don't know how many times I've said this or how many more times I have to say it before you get it. I'm betting it's a lot more times. Maybe you'll never get it cuz you don't want to.
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You can claim its a method all you want. You simply made up your own definitions of systems and Methods. Everything you have ever said about your SYSTEM describes a system to a tee. You have provided ONE non valid reason as to why you claim its not a system. The term betting Methods is use to describe and separate +EV methods from -EV systems. If you can't provide the math showing +EV then you have nothing but a crappie worthless SYSTEM.

You claim not to follow any rules, therfore its not a system. IIRC Mike said from Everything he knows it's a system. Even if you claim you don't follow any rules, that's not true if what you have told us is true. Whenever you see xy or z you bet. That's obviously following a set of rules.

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You can claim its a method all you want. You simply made up your own definitions of systems and Methods

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"A system is based on a plan with rules. A method is based on a procedure."

"A system is a program with definable rules., while a method indicates a way of doing things."

And the best one:

"A system says that if you do X, Y will follow. A method focuses on the process less than the goal."

I do not have a system, I have a method and the difference is very important. Get it? Got it? I'm sure you don't but at least I tried.

If you have a sports betting system or method that the casino or online casino adversely affects you after having used it, that's what this thread is for. EvenBob's systems are not really the subject here although he brought it up at the beginning with no resolution in sight.

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You can claim its a method all you want. You simply made up your own definitions of systems and Methods

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"A system is based on a plan with rules. A method is based on a procedure."

"A system is a program with definable rules., while a method indicates a way of doing things."

And the best one:

"A system says that if you do X, Y will follow. A method focuses on the process less than the goal."

I do not have a system, I have a method and the difference is very important. Get it? Got it? I'm sure you don't but at least I tried.
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To paraphrase a famous bard: A system by any other name is a system.

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To paraphrase a famous bard: A system by any other name is a system.
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And a method by any other name is still a method. If you don't think there's a difference between method and system, I have a lot more quotes I can post. There's a lot written on this subject because it matters. Especially when you're dealing with random outcomes there are no rules that can ever apply to them. You can never have a system that says if you bet X, Y will happen with random outcomes. With a method however, you are not tied down to any rules you are fluid and flexible in your decisions on where to place your next bet. This is why I will always correct somebody when they say I have a system because I do not have a system. I wish I did have a system, my life would be a whole lot easier. With a method I have to constantly think about what I'm doing and constantly be aware of what's going on. With a system you can just follow the rules.

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And a method by any other name is still a method. If you don't think there's a difference between method and system, I have a lot more quotes I can post. There's a lot written on this subject because it matters. Especially when you're dealing with random outcomes there are no rules that can ever apply to them. You can never have a system that says if you bet X, Y will happen with random outcomes. With a method however, you are not tied down to any rules you are fluid and flexible in your decisions on where to place your next bet. This is why I will always correct somebody when they say I have a system because I do not have a system. I wish I did have a system, my life would be a whole lot easier. With a method I have to constantly think about what I'm doing and constantly be aware of what's going on. With a system you can just follow the rules.
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You just got suspended literally days ago for hijacking a thread ranting about your worthless losing gambling system, and here you are again doing the exact same thing.

WTF

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And a method by any other name is still a method. If you don't think there's a difference between method and system, I have a lot more quotes I can post. There's a lot written on this subject because it matters. Especially when you're dealing with random outcomes there are no rules that can ever apply to them. You can never have a system that says if you bet X, Y will happen with random outcomes. With a method however, you are not tied down to any rules you are fluid and flexible in your decisions on where to place your next bet. This is why I will always correct somebody when they say I have a system because I do not have a system. I wish I did have a system, my life would be a whole lot easier. With a method I have to constantly think about what I'm doing and constantly be aware of what's going on. With a system you can just follow the rules.
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You just got suspended literally days ago for hijacking a thread ranting about your worthless losing gambling system, and here you are again doing the exact same thing.

WTF
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That's his method!

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That's his method!

I used to gamble in the bedroom with the rhythm method and lost more than a few times.

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Quote: darkoz

That's his method!

I used to gamble in the bedroom with the rhythm method and lost more than a few times.
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Ah, because that really wasn't a method. It was a system!

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.
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Plenty of examples have been given.

Just off the top of my head you replied you never use a martingale but only flatbet.

Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.

Then described how you use a Dalembert by doubling your wager after every loss which is actually a Martingale which you claimed you also never use.

Alice in wonderland made more sense because there the nonsense was puns and therefore it made sense if you thought about it. Your nonsense is simply contrary claims and statements
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You and Axle just can't get enough of the ole Bob merry go round can you. :)
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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely and go cat man crazy would you? Obviously I'm doing God's work by donating my time to the elderly.
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Above is a small segment of what has been a lengthy hijack of this thread comprised of posts arguing about EvenBob's claimed method for roulette. There are other threads designated for that discussion and yet this argument about EvenBob's roulette method continues to pollute many threads that have nothing to do with this topic. In this particular instance, I judge that EvenBob and Axelwolf have been the members who bear the most responsibility for the hijack of this thread.

Three-day suspension of EvenBob and AxelWolf for hijacking this thread with many posts about the EvenBob Roulette method. If you two continue to hijack threads with this never-ending argument then the consequence will be more suspensions that may be lengthier.

I am issuing a general warning to DarkOz and other members to avoid participating in these off-topic EvenBob roulette arguments in threads where they are not appropriate.

Mission146-Always #1 in your hearts, but now #1 on Top Contributors, as well.

It looks like I’ll only be keeping the throne warm for three days. I’ll try not to do too much damage while I’m here.

Edit: I’m sorry. I thought this was the Suspension List Discussion thread, for some reason.

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Oftentimes, you have multiple different answers, that again, make no logical sense.
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You say this over and over yet you never give any examples so I have no chance to explain or to defend it. I have no idea what you're talking about which I suspect is what you want. You don't understand something, ask about it. Complaining about it gets you nowhere.
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Plenty of examples have been given.

Just off the top of my head you replied you never use a martingale but only flatbet.

Then replied you use a Dalembert which is contrary and impossible to use if only flat betting.

Then described how you use a Dalembert by doubling your wager after every loss which is actually a Martingale which you claimed you also never use.

Alice in wonderland made more sense because there the nonsense was puns and therefore it made sense if you thought about it. Your nonsense is simply contrary claims and statements
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You and Axle just can't get enough of the ole Bob merry go round can you. :)
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You wouldn't want Bob to be super lonely and go cat man crazy would you? Obviously I'm doing God's work by donating my time to the elderly.
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Above is a small segment of what has been a lengthy hijack of this thread comprised of posts arguing about EvenBob's claimed method for roulette. There are other threads designated for that discussion and yet this argument about EvenBob's roulette method continues to pollute many threads that have nothing to do with this topic. In this particular instance, I judge that EvenBob and Axelwolf have been the members who bear the most responsibility for the hijack of this thread.

Three-day suspension of EvenBob and AxelWolf for hijacking this thread with many posts about the EvenBob Roulette method. If you two continue to hijack threads with this never-ending argument then the consequence will be more suspensions that may be lengthier.

I am issuing a general warning to DarkOz and other members to avoid participating in these off-topic EvenBob roulette arguments in threads where they are not appropriate.
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Make sure EB has his baseball and glove in the cooler.