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January 15th, 2022 at 8:22:21 PM permalink
Brutal. Just brutal.

Now I know why you all let me play!

Nowhere to go but up, right?
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January 16th, 2022 at 5:39:10 AM permalink
43...43.5...44

The Patriots/Bills game was nowhere close to UNDER, in any case. I'd rather have turned it into added prizes, but either way, unclaimed monies from previous years (and a few dollars added to that) have been disposed of.

I hadn't tallied the O/U Picks, so the other plan had I not noticed that would have been to pick the Raiders to cover, which they also didn't do. If the Cowboys and Cardinals fail to cover, we were just, 'Destined,' to lose...and I must have miscounted the Cowboys anyway as I thought there was a consensus tie of Vegas and Arizona.
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January 16th, 2022 at 1:32:09 PM permalink
IndyJeffrey has told me he intended Rams -4, which I intend to allow if there are no objections.

Iíll edit that in next time Iím on the computer.
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January 16th, 2022 at 1:36:14 PM permalink
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IndyJeffrey has told me he intended Rams -4, which I intend to allow if there are no objections.

Iíll edit that in next time Iím on the computer.
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Since it looks like there was a SNAFU and he had no pick for that game, but mentioned 2 teams in the over/under, and it is well before game time, I agree with letting his pick in. I am hoping you get zero objections.
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January 16th, 2022 at 1:52:05 PM permalink
The only objections I have are towards Bill Belichick -for letting the Bills drive their team bus straight up his butt. I mean, what the heck happened? I have never seen a Pats team so flat, listless and ill-prepared for a game. Historic fail.

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January 17th, 2022 at 8:25:28 AM permalink
About time I get both possible points of a game. Although, it looks like we are doing really poorly as a group anyway. Vegas/sportsbooks must be having a great time!
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January 17th, 2022 at 11:37:34 AM permalink
I am uniquely terrible at this so far! Embarrassingly brutal.

If you have the Rams and Over tonight as I do, my apologies.

I make Bad Luck Eddie Mush look good.
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January 17th, 2022 at 1:45:32 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasbrent

I am uniquely terrible at this so far! Embarrassingly brutal.

If you have the Rams and Over tonight as I do, my apologies.

I make Bad Luck Eddie Mush look good.
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I know there is still one more game this week, but I guess you are forced to try and go for the "you suck*** " prize.

***: if the "bad luck" holds, once you start going for the the "you suck" prize, you will then probably win most of the picks over the next few weeks (so a catch-22 like situation).
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Congrats to VegasBrent on getting his first correct pick and getting back in the contest.

Note: we all ahve a better percentage than what is shown on EdCollins' summary table, because one of the 12 picks was a tie. So, if you have 6 wins, your record is actually 6-5-1 which is 54% not 50%.
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January 17th, 2022 at 11:16:20 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Note: we all have a better percentage than what is shown on EdCollins' summary table, because one of the 12 picks was a tie. So, if you have 6 wins, your record is actually 6-5-1 which is 54% not 50%.

Yea, I noticed that and I thought about changing it. We've always ignored ties completely in the main game and don't count them at all in the percentage (maybe we should), so I did the same here. But yea, I think I should give everyone a full half a point more, which will adjust the percentages accordingly. No sense in making us all look worse than what we really are. :) Thanks.
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January 18th, 2022 at 5:52:45 AM permalink
I would say that I agree with both previous posts, but only if there is an easy enough way to do that. Gordon is quite right in that twelve points ceased to be possible, because of the push, so those with six points have 6/11 possible points.
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January 18th, 2022 at 7:35:13 AM permalink
Week 1 Playoff Contest Results graphic above has been edited.

(Easiest solution was to count that push, and any future pushes, as 1/2 a point.)
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January 19th, 2022 at 5:26:47 PM permalink
Greetings!

The Conference Semi-Final Lines are as follows:

Bengals (+3.5) @ Titans (-3.5) O/U 47
49ers (+6) @ Packers (-6) O/U 47.5
Rams (+3) @ Buccaneers (-3) O/U 48.5
Bills (+1.5) @ Chiefs (-1.5) O/U 54.5
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January 19th, 2022 at 7:52:41 PM permalink
Did everyone notice my 1-10 record? I am willing to sell my picks for a Ďfadeí for $10 via pm. To help everyone, Iím giving a free pick. Iíd have Bengals +3.5 as my best bet.
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January 20th, 2022 at 11:47:23 AM permalink
Too many players in the cellar right now at 2.5 or less.

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THE PRIZES

For the Playoff Picks Game, the prizes are as follows:

1st Place: $150
2nd Place: $50
3rd Place: $25
You Suck: $25

There is no, "Most Average," prize for this game.

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Anyone can go 1-10 once. Let's see you do it consistently.
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Challenge accepted!
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Greetings!

The Conference semi-final Picks are as follows:

Mission146:
Bengals +3.5
Bengals OVER 47
Packers -6
Packers OVER 47.5
Buccaneers -3
Buccaneers UNDER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills UNDER 54.5

SOOPOO:
Bengals +3.5
Bengals under 47
Packers -6
Packers under 47.5
Rams +3
Rams over 48.5
Chiefs-1.5
Chiefs under 54.5

AZDuffman:
TITANS -3.5
Titans UNDER 47
PACKERS -6
Packers UNDER 47.5
Buccaneers -3
Buccaneers OVER 48.5
CHIEFS -1.5
Chiefs UNDER 54.5

Wizard:
Bengals (+3.5)
Bengals under 47
49ers (+6)
49ers under 47.5
Rams (+3)
Rams under 48.5
Bills (+1.5)
Bills under 54.5

JohnnyQ:
Titans (-3.5)
Packers (-6)
Rams (+3)
Bills (+1.5)
Bengals O 47
49ers U 47.5
Rams O 48.5
Bills O 54.5

JW17:
Titans -3.5
Titans under
Packers -6
Packers under
Rams +3
Rams under
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs over

VegasBrent:
Tennessee -3.5
Tennessee Over 47
Green Bay -6
Green Bay Under 47.5
Rams +3
Rams Over 48.5
Kansas City -1.5
Kansas City Over 54.5

IndyJeffrey
Titans -3.5
Titans UNDER 47
Packers -6
Packers UNDER 47.5
Rams +3
Rams OVER 48.5
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs UNDER 54.5

PlayYourCardsRight:
Titans -3.5
Titans OVER 47
Packers -6
Packers OVER 47.5
Buccaneers -3
Bucs OVER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills UNDER 54.5

MWalz9:
Bengals +3.5
Bengals UNDER 47
49ers +6
49ers OVER 47.5
Rams +3
Rams UNDER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills OVER 54.5

RideTheEdge:
Titans -3.5
Titans OVER 47
49ers +6
49ers UNDER 47.5
Rams +3
Rams UNDER 48.5
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs UNDER 54.5

JML24:
Bengals +3.5
Bengals UNDER 47
Packers -6
Packers UNDER 47.5
Buccaneers -3
Buccaneers UNDER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills UNDER 54.5

Sparty10k:
Titans -3.5
Titans over 47
49ers +6
49ers over 47.5
Buccaneers-3
Buccaneers over 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills over 54.5

Genwyzgy:
Titans -3.5
Titans Over
Packers -6
Packers Under
Buccaneers -3
Buccaneers Over
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs Over

Gaming711:
Titans -3.5
Titans u47
49ers +6
49ers o47.5
Rams +3
Rams u48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills o54.5

EdCollins:
Bengals +3.5
Bengals Under
49ers +6
49ers Over
Rams +3
Rams Over
Bills +1.5
Bills Over

unJon:
Titans -3.5
Titans OVER 47
49ers +6
49ers UNDER 47.5
Buccaneers -3
Buccaneers UNDER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills UNDER 54.5

JohnZimbo:
Titans -3.5
Titans under 47
Packers -6
Packers under 47.5
Rams +3
Rams over 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills over 54.5

Gordonm888
Bengals +3.5
Titans UNDER 47
Packers -6
Packers OVER 47.5
Rams +3
Buccaneers UNDER 48.5
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs UNDER 54.5

BillRyan:
Bengals (+3.5)
Bengals Over 47
49ers (+6)
49ers Over 47.5
Buccaneers (-3)
Buccaneers Over 48.5
Chiefs (-1.5)
Chiefs Over 54.5

MWLanca:
Titans -3
Titans over 47
49ers +6
49ers under 47.5
Rams +3
Rams under 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills under 54.5

EricGarthwaite:
Titans
Titans Under
Packers
Packers Over
Buccaneers
Buccaneers Under
Bills
Bills Over

miplet:
Titans -3.5
Titans OVER 47
49ers +6
49ers OVER 47.5
Rams +3
Rams UNDER 48.5
Chiefs -1.5
Chiefs OVER 54.5

FourFiveFace:
Titans -3.5
Titans UNDER 47
49ers +6
49ers UNDER 47.5
Rams +3
Rams UNDER 48.5
Bills +1.5
Bills UNDER 54.5
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Great day Saints (Southampton FC) hold Man City to 1-1 draw, and (long day) now, I wasn't really expecting them to do it, 49ers overcome the Packers in the snow!
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January 22nd, 2022 at 8:19:36 PM permalink
Results after Saturday's games.

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January 23rd, 2022 at 3:54:10 AM permalink
Thanks, Ed !

Here's a reminder on the scoring on the various rounds:

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2.) The structure for scoring points will be as follows:

WildCard---1 Point per correct pick.
Divisional Playoffs---1.5 Points per correct pick.
Conference Championships---2 Points per correct pick.
Super Bowl---4 Points per correct pick.

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January 23rd, 2022 at 6:47:47 AM permalink
The Wizards "take the dogs and the unders" worked well yesterday
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January 23rd, 2022 at 3:24:51 PM permalink
Now THAT was a game !
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January 23rd, 2022 at 7:02:19 PM permalink
And DITTO for Buffalo and KC.
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Were all four games this weekend a walk-off score?
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Current Standings:

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Yes, three field goals and that pass.
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Current Standings:


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January 23rd, 2022 at 8:04:24 PM permalink
Congrats to EdCollins and Soopoo for picking 6/8 correctly in a wild week 2. And to VegasBrent who picked 5/8 correctly to emerge out of the wine cellar.

I am doing well at picking winners against the spread, but I feel clueless picking the O/U Total Points. Everytime I pick the Point Total to Zig, the teams Zag. And vice versa.
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January 24th, 2022 at 6:08:53 AM permalink
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Congrats to EdCollins and Soopoo for picking 6/8 correctly in a wild week 2.

Thanks. I was 13 seconds away from going 7/8.

Bills fans across the country must be sick to their stomachs today. It's those types of losses that really hurt.
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Best weekend of NFL football evuh!!!!!!!!!!!

Second best game I've ever seen. Only Miami- San Diego forty years ago was better.
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January 24th, 2022 at 6:46:53 AM permalink
And one of my most enjoyable and memorable games in recent memory was the recent Chargers / Raiders game in Week 18.

Recall both teams needed at least a tie to advance to the postseason.

After getting down 15 points midway through the fourth quarter, the Chargers stormed back with two Herbert TD passes, including one as time expired in regulation to force OT.

After the teams traded field goals to open the overtime period, the Raiders drove across midfield, owning the option to play for a win or tie, the latter of which would have sent both clubs to the postseason and left the Pittsburgh Steelers on the outside looking in. The Raiders elected to kick a field goal instead of just letting time run out.

Edit: During their final drives before OT, as I recall the Chargers had to convert on six different fourth-down attempts.
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January 24th, 2022 at 9:20:50 AM permalink
After the first game on Saturday, I went 0 - 2 and thought it was going to be another embarrassing weekend for me. Let's hope I'm out of my slump and able to climb a little further out of the cellar.

It was the greatest NFL playoff weekend in history! While my Packers lost yet again, it was just an unbelievable weekend of NFL football games.

I think the NFL needs to change OT to something similar to college football. Both teams have earned the opportunity to score on offense and should be given that opportunity. In an offense-centered league, it has to be done.
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I think the NFL needs to change OT to something similar to college football. Both teams have earned the opportunity to score on offense and should be given that opportunity. In an offense-centered league, it has to be done.
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"Golden Point ^^^ " style overtime period(s) are the pretty bad, they should have "set overtime periods*** ", in my opinion.

^^^: The NRL (Australian Rugby League) is even worse than the NFL in this regard, because once overtime starts in the NRL, the next score wins (even if it is just a "1 pointer").

***: By this I mean, for example 10 minutes of overtime and play continues for the full 10 minutes (no matter how many scores are made) .Then maybe(?) a 2nd overtime, if it is still a tied game. Lastly, if it is still tied after that, they can go back to a "Golden Point" style 3rd overtime, since the NFL needs a team to be the winner for a Post Season/Playoff game.
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January 24th, 2022 at 1:43:53 PM permalink
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I think the NFL needs to change OT to something similar to college football.

YES, the college OT's are exciting.
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January 24th, 2022 at 3:47:00 PM permalink
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I think the NFL needs to change OT to something similar to college football.

YES, the college OT's are exciting.
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I liked the old college OT rules, but not the new ones where you essentially end up going for two point conversions after two possessions. I'd like to see a short intermission so the players get a chance to recover a bit.
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January 24th, 2022 at 4:27:18 PM permalink
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I liked the old college OT rules, but not the new ones where you essentially end up going for two point conversions after two possessions. I'd like to see a short intermission so the players get a chance to recover a bit.
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Totally agree with that. The current college OT rules with the one play "2 point conversion" feels too much like free kicks (in soccer) - a single all-or nothing play on a tiny fraction of the field that barely represents the nature of the game that is being decided.

An alternative would be to give possession in OT to the team that had the ball at the end of regulation - on the same yard-line with the same down and distance. In other words, make the OT an extension of the 4th Q. In the Bills/Chiefs game, the Chiefs would have kicked off to the Bills to start OT.

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January 24th, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM permalink
I tried to pick losers this week after my terrible start in Week 1 to win the You Suck prize and ended up having a decent week!

Blah!
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January 25th, 2022 at 3:09:30 AM permalink
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I liked the old college OT rules, but not the new ones where you essentially end up going for two point conversions after two possessions. I'd like to see a short intermission so the players get a chance to recover a bit.
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Totally agree with that. The current college OT rules with the one play "2 point conversion" feels too much like free kicks (in soccer) - a single all-or nothing play on a tiny fraction of the field that barely represents the nature of the game that is being decided.

An alternative would be to give possession in OT to the team that had the ball at the end of regulation - on the same yard-line with the same down and distance. In other words, make the OT an extension of the 4th Q. In the Bills/Chiefs game, the Chiefs would have kicked off to the Bills to start OT.

Almost anything is better than deciding a playoff game with a coin flip.
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I would be way against that as it just rewards bad clock management.

All that needs be done is tweak it to both teams get at least one possession. If both score then a true sudden death.
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January 25th, 2022 at 3:23:34 AM permalink
I have the best solution. (Big head of mine). Each coach will select a yardline his team will get the ball on. Whichever team selects a yard line closer to its own goal line gets the ball. First score of any kind wins. What yard line would you choose? You donít want the ball on your own 1 yard line (I think?) but you also WANT the ball! (If both coaches pick the same number whichever team scored last gets the ball). This requires the head coaches to have prepared for this. Iím guessing with two good offenses like Bills and Chiefs you pick around 5 yard line. If it was Steelers/49ers as example, maybe 15 yard line.
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January 25th, 2022 at 4:31:26 AM permalink
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I have the best solution. (Big head of mine). Each coach will select a yardline his team will get the ball on. Whichever team selects a yard line closer to its own goal line gets the ball. First score of any kind wins. What yard line would you choose? You donít want the ball on your own 1 yard line (I think?) but you also WANT the ball! (If both coaches pick the same number whichever team scored last gets the ball). This requires the head coaches to have prepared for this. Iím guessing with two good offenses like Bills and Chiefs you pick around 5 yard line. If it was Steelers/49ers as example, maybe 15 yard line.
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Maybe the USFL will try it.
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January 25th, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM permalink
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I have the best solution. (Big head of mine). Each coach will select a yardline his team will get the ball on. Whichever team selects a yard line closer to its own goal line gets the ball. First score of any kind wins. What yard line would you choose? You donít want the ball on your own 1 yard line (I think?) but you also WANT the ball! (If both coaches pick the same number whichever team scored last gets the ball). This requires the head coaches to have prepared for this. Iím guessing with two good offenses like Bills and Chiefs you pick around 5 yard line. If it was Steelers/49ers as example, maybe 15 yard line.
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Maybe the USFL will try it.
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I am probably the only one excited for the USFL. To me football should be played year round. I do hate the fact that they will not be playing any home games this year.
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January 25th, 2022 at 7:44:04 AM permalink
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I have the best solution. (Big head of mine). Each coach will select a yardline his team will get the ball on. Whichever team selects a yard line closer to its own goal line gets the ball. First score of any kind wins. What yard line would you choose? You donít want the ball on your own 1 yard line (I think?) but you also WANT the ball! (If both coaches pick the same number whichever team scored last gets the ball). This requires the head coaches to have prepared for this. Iím guessing with two good offenses like Bills and Chiefs you pick around 5 yard line. If it was Steelers/49ers as example, maybe 15 yard line.
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Maybe the USFL will try it.
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I am probably the only one excited for the USFL. To me football should be played year round. I do hate the fact that they will not be playing any home games this year.
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Rats! I thought there was nobody! I was not even that aware of it returning until a couple weeks ago. I saw something said "USFL" and thought I was reading old, old stuff.

I doubt I will follow it much beyond if I am to audit the sportsbook in my new casino gig.
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January 25th, 2022 at 6:48:33 PM permalink
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January 25th, 2022 at 7:11:15 PM permalink
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If they make any changes, and Iím not sure they will, itíll be to grant a second position to the team kicking off whether the receiving team gets a FG or TD. Players union will oppose any sort of college style OT, or full quarter of play, which is likely to extend playing time. I assume if thereís a safety or Defensive TD on the first possession that the game would end without a second possession.
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January 26th, 2022 at 6:19:07 PM permalink
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Players union will oppose any sort of college style OT, or full quarter of play, which is likely to extend playing time.

I'm not sure what the objection to a college style OT would be, it's not like there are that many OT's in a season, are there ? The Player's Union accepted an entire extra game this year, right ?
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January 26th, 2022 at 7:27:02 PM permalink
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Players union will oppose any sort of college style OT, or full quarter of play, which is likely to extend playing time.

I'm not sure what the objection to a college style OT would be, it's not like there are that many OT's in a season, are there ? The Player's Union accepted an entire extra game this year, right ?
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You must not have followed how much the players Union fought the extra game this year. The 17th game was extremely negotiated. Players got, among other concessions, an extra 1.5% of revenue, a bump in minimum salaries, fewer preseason games, and a reduction in the max time for full pad practice. Even still it only passed a vote of the players 51.5%.
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