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So, let me get this straight .296 lifetime batting average, and someone who was a really low draft pick (I think something like 19th round) who performed at the highest levels, were steroid users? So, how come these "juiced" dudes did not hit 700 HR's or 600 HR's or bench press 500+ lbs.? Give me a break!

tuttigym
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying

if you are saying that you doubt that steroid use had a significant impact on the game then I refer you to the linked summary from Wiki which is pretty good imo

as to your comment about the no. of home runs - both Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire have admitted steroid use

Bonds hit 762 homers lifetime and McGwire hit 583



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#:~:text=Steroids%20finally%20made%20it%20to,the%20usage%20did%20not%20stop.

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Quote: tuttigym

So, let me get this straight .296 lifetime batting average, and someone who was a really low draft pick (I think something like 19th round) who performed at the highest levels, were steroid users? So, how come these "juiced" dudes did not hit 700 HR's or 600 HR's or bench press 500+ lbs.? Give me a break!

tuttigym
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying

if you are saying that you doubt that steroid use had a significant impact on the game then I refer you to the linked summary from Wiki which is pretty good imo

as to your comment about the no. of home runs - both Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire have admitted steroid use

Bonds hit 762 homers lifetime and McGwire hit 583



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_baseball#:~:text=Steroids%20finally%20made%20it%20to,the%20usage%20did%20not%20stop.

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Thank you for the link. I found the information interesting and totally inconclusive.

1. The fact that several prominent players used and achieved is too small a sample size to be valid especially since the article points out that Canseco stated in his tell all book that " as many as 80% of players used steroids." Another author in the same paragraph stated that "25 - 40% of ALL (emphasis) Major Leaguers are juiced." So how come less than .1% of players put up the record breaking numbers?

2. Parts of the article stated that amphetamines were the drug of choice. The article stated that amphetamines were used for "endurance and mental focus." Baseball is not a sport where cardio-vascular endurance is a predominant ingredient for success.

3. Google: anabolic steroids - "Winning at Any Cost": It states twhat it (steroids) actually does is "helps build muscle tissue and increase body mass ..... steroids CANNOT (emphasis) improve an athlete's agility or skill." In other words steroids do NOT improve or increase hand-eye coordination, reflexes, timing, visual acuity, or any other hitting ingredient necessary to be an effective batter. Hitting Major League pitching is probably among the most difficult athletic skills in sport, and according to Google and the NY Dept of Health steroids do NOT improve those skills.

4. The Wikileaks article provides NO SCIENCE in the article only conjecture linking some record breaking individual achievements to the drug.

The outside noise that is continuous from ignorant sports writers and pundits about steroids and HR's is just flat out wrong.

tuttigym

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great buzzer beater by Derrick White to force a game 7 in the series
so cool that you can see the clock at the same time as his shot - it left his hand with just one tenth of a second left in the game
the Celts were down 3-0 in the series and were getting talked down by everybody
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Quote: tuttigym

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Thank you for the link. I found the information interesting and totally inconclusive.

1. The fact that several prominent players used and achieved is too small a sample size to be valid especially since the article points out that Canseco stated in his tell all book that " as many as 80% of players used steroids." Another author in the same paragraph stated that "25 - 40% of ALL (emphasis) Major Leaguers are juiced." So how come less than .1% of players put up the record breaking numbers?


3. Google: anabolic steroids - "Winning at Any Cost": It states twhat it (steroids) actually does is "helps build muscle tissue and increase body mass ..... steroids CANNOT (emphasis) improve an athlete's agility or skill." In other words steroids do NOT improve or increase hand-eye coordination, reflexes, timing, visual acuity, or any other hitting ingredient necessary to be an effective batter. Hitting Major League pitching is probably among the most difficult athletic skills in sport, and according to Google and the NY Dept of Health steroids do NOT improve those skills.

4. The Wikileaks article provides NO SCIENCE in the article only conjecture linking some record breaking individual achievements to the drug.

The outside noise that is continuous from ignorant sports writers and pundits about steroids and HR's is just flat out wrong.

tuttigym
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your point that steroid use may not have greatly improved player performance is largely irrelevant

in 1990 Congress made steroids an illegal drug via the Anabolic Steroids Control Act

whether or not they gained from the usage - the players who used them after 1990 were cheaters who broke the law - who attempted to gain an unfair and illegal advantage

Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens and Mark McGwire have been righteously denied entry into the Hall of Fame due to suspicions or admissions of steroid use
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I've not heard any talk of Schilling and steroids. Some think his politics keep him out, but I don't think he is a worthy candidate to begin with.

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Thank you for the link. I found the information interesting and totally inconclusive.

1. The fact that several prominent players used and achieved is too small a sample size to be valid especially since the article points out that Canseco stated in his tell all book that " as many as 80% of players used steroids." Another author in the same paragraph stated that "25 - 40% of ALL (emphasis) Major Leaguers are juiced." So how come less than .1% of players put up the record breaking numbers?


3. Google: anabolic steroids - "Winning at Any Cost": It states twhat it (steroids) actually does is "helps build muscle tissue and increase body mass ..... steroids CANNOT (emphasis) improve an athlete's agility or skill." In other words steroids do NOT improve or increase hand-eye coordination, reflexes, timing, visual acuity, or any other hitting ingredient necessary to be an effective batter. Hitting Major League pitching is probably among the most difficult athletic skills in sport, and according to Google and the NY Dept of Health steroids do NOT improve those skills.

4. The Wikileaks article provides NO SCIENCE in the article only conjecture linking some record breaking individual achievements to the drug.

The outside noise that is continuous from ignorant sports writers and pundits about steroids and HR's is just flat out wrong.

tuttigym
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your point that steroid use may not have greatly improved player performance is largely irrelevant

in 1990 Congress made steroids an illegal drug via the Anabolic Steroids Control Act

whether or not they gained from the usage - the players who used them after 1990 were cheaters who broke the law - who attempted to gain an unfair and illegal advantage

Barry Bonds, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens and Mark McGwire have been righteously denied entry into the Hall of Fame due to suspicions or admissions of steroid use
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Congress passes hundreds of laws making all kinds of acts illegal which are violated continuously making those perpetrators "cheaters." Those individuals are consistently "gaining an unfair and illegal advantage" over our system. So, it seems that, in your mind, laws passed by the Congress are gospel?

Your statement "who ATTEMPTED (emphasis) to gain an unfair advantage" is flat out wrong because there was NO advantage gained per the existing science. What is "irrelevant" are your assumptions and logic. You certainly are entitled to your opinions regarding the HOF, but you are not entitled to your erroneous spin.

tuttigym

Quote: lilredrooster

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great buzzer beater by Derrick White to force a game 7 in the series
so cool that you can see the clock at the same time as his shot - it left his hand with just one tenth of a second left in the game
the Celts were down 3-0 in the series and were getting talked down by everybody
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I wished death on the man after that shot. Not my proudest moment but it hurt

Quote: tuttigym

The outside noice that is continuous from ignorant sports writers and pundits about steroids and HR's is just flat out wrong"
tuttigym
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the link from Scientific American indicates how steroids can boost performance in MLB players

the 2nd link draws similar conclusions - from Physics Professor Roger Tobin of Tufts University

I'm sure you will call these link nonsense as you do everything else that contradicts your point of view

this will be my last post on the subject - feel free to get the last word - feel free to add ScientificAmerican.com and Professor Roger Tobin to your list of purveyors of nonsense

and please - continue to minimize the culpability of players who went so far as to break the law in their attempt to gain a cheating advantage


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-rod-steroids-better-athlete/

http://baseball.physics.illinois.edu/Tobin_AJP_Jan08.pdf

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great buzzer beater by Derrick White to force a game 7 in the series
so cool that you can see the clock at the same time as his shot - it left his hand with just one tenth of a second left in the game
the Celts were down 3-0 in the series and were getting talked down by everybody
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Really weird series. Miami Great coach vs fraudulent/overmatched coaching staff, Miami fraudulent team riding unsustainable shooting luck vs good team, which seemed to run out with their best shooter missing two open threes late g6.

Celtics have very much struggled vs zone whole series, pretty much inexcusable they’ve allowed Miami to be able hide Robinson and Love so much with that. Mazzulla did make a big time adjustment last game pre-switching screens while Jaylen Brown was in fouls trouble, allowing him to stay in the game while keeping Miami from attacking him. He’s showing growth but still very overmatched by Spoelstra.