Kentucky Oaks & Derby

Hello everyone,

Very happy to have found this forum. I'm going to be 60 this year. Have always believed in Astrology and the representation of the heavens above, but my life has been so busy and filled with numerous projects over the years. I hadn't had the time to pursue such endeavors in great detail as I'd like. A dabble here and there, I guess you'd say for many years.

Recently, about 2 years ago things started to slow down ( I do not commute to work anymore) and I became actively involved in what I call Planetary Electional Astrology. Hours and hours a day of research on a daily basis 7 days a week for over 2 years.

This is hard to explain. I'm not a gambler, but I came from that industry's background. Grew up in the horse racing business and also was a professional blackjack card counter in Vegas many years ago when they use to deal down to practically the last card. Times have changed, lol. I guess you can say I very knowledgable about all things gambling/investing even though I'm not a gambler myself. Hopefully, that make sense, maybe not to some.

My primary focus these last two years of intense research has been with Electional Astrology relating to sports, timing and financial Astrology. I've also recently created a website. Mostly free information that I'll be expanding over time which is minimal at present. I am however charging a nominal fee for my horse racing sheets only because of the time involved and all of the work that I've done. My main goal is to help/guide other people in these directions (if they have an interest) on subject's where I have a tremendous amount of knowledge.

If anyone here is into the Kentucky Derby and racing these next 2 days. We have the Oaks today and the Derby tomorrow. I'd be more than happy to send those races to you and actually all of the other races for the next 2 days if anyone here is interested.

Actually. How do you attach a pdf file to this forum? I'd like to include some racing figures for tomorrow's races? Be looking forward to contributing to the forum.
Mitch

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Selling or charging for anything on this site is frowned upon and prohibited unless given permission by The Wizard or the site owners.

PS. I applaud your creativity, it's certainly a different approach than the run of the mill touting services and betting systems. I can see someone actually being interesting in this kind of stuff(It's total BS. IMO. but clever nonetheless). I wouldn't mind looking at your site feel free to PM me the link.

How much would I have to pay for your Planetary Electional Astrological picks for the Oaks and the Derby? And will I be able to purchase your picks for other big racing events throughout the year? Or would I even be so lucky as to be able to purchase your picks each and every weekend?

This site is getting bettter n better

Hi lilredrooster,

I've been around racing all my life since childhood. Worked in every facet of the racing industry in years past. I do very good traditional proprietary numbers relating to speed and the like as well as my Astro-Figs that I've been working on for over 2 years. I do this daily on my website for anyone that wants the information. I'm doing the cards pretty inexpensive for the time that it takes me to put together, especially the hand made Astro figs. On my new website, I'm posting a lot of free stuff including horse races, sporting events with Astro prediction, and I'm following the US Dollar with financial Astrology as well. The only thing I'm charging for at present is some of the horse racing sheets. I did them a long time for free. It's just a lot of work.

I'm new over here, not trying to flame or advertise. I have a lot of experience in the gambling arena and wish to pass on some of my experiences to those that may be willing to listen and or wanting information in these areas and I certainly don't think it's a crime to charge a couple of dollars for legitimate information. At the website, I've got over one hundred past races you can browse through to get a handle on the figures. Kind of makes it difficult when I can't post my site over here as I want to play by the rules.

I'd be more than happy to post my complete racing sheet over here for tomorrow if someone would tell me how to attach a pdf file?

Mitch

Mitch: I believe the current lunar cycle is a 16 degree Taurus and it is a fairly sedate new moon.
......... ... Would this type of moon more benefit a front runner or a closer?

Hi lilredrooster,

I haven't been using that type of Astrological data to project my ratings. I use the horses birthdate to do what I call Planetary Electional Astrology looking at energies around an event.

Let's see Thorpe's Beat the dealer came out in 1962, dealing anywhere near the last card had disappeared by 1964. You are 60 this year. So you were 8 years old when you were on the Blackjack teams. A child prodigy ?

lol, I was in Vegas and started playing cards at 18. Your right, at that time they didn't go to the exact last card but it was pretty close compared to today! I took lessons from the Revere organization. Missed meeting him, though! Only barred from one casino. I was a loner, no teams. Just a small time grinder, but I did keep a roof over my head. Bet the horses and played blackjack at that time.

Quote: Mitch

lol, I was in Vegas and started playing cards at 18. Your right, at that time they didn't go to the exact last card but it was pretty close compared to today! I took lessons from the Revere organization. Missed meeting him, though! Only barred from one casino. I was a loner, no teams. Just a small time grinder, but I did keep a roof over my head. Bet the horses and played blackjack at that time.

Try again. Legal age to gamble has been 21 since gambling was legalized in Nevada. If you are 60 in May of 2016, you were 21 in May of 1977. Revere died in April of 1977.

In the words of Mike Matusow, " The kiddie forum is down the street "

I would imagine that your Planetary Electional Astrology would work really good on turf races.

You know...Astro-turf

I know the legal age. They didn't check, I never got ID'd back then. Did that off and on for about a year. Left Vegas and came back when I was about 21-22. Think I've lived in Vegas about 4 times, lol. Lots of traveling. Penetration was still good in the 70's. Situational. Find the good games, find the good horses. Make the bets where you have an edge. I employed a lot of back counting as a single player back then. I didn't play poker then as I do now. But it's the same thing. Situational-Discipline-Patience are 3 words that come to mind are the keys to any long-term success. That's where most people fail.

lol, that's a joke right? It's ok, no big deal. Yeah, it's a lot of work. I use the horses birthdate and am building up a large database of horses and birthdates. I grew up in the racing industry so I've designed traditional horse racing speed figures. The horses Astro-Fig is a compliment to that traditional speed figure and we look for both figures hopefully to be going in the same direction. A synergy between the two would equal a higher priority situation. In racing, poker and BJ would be the same. You look for situations where you may have an edge. In racing, you'd call them spot plays. Patience and discipline are the main keys to long-term success and most people fail in that department as mentioned above.

John Patrick and Rob Singer come to mind now, for some reason.

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John Patric k and Rob Singer come to mind now, for some reason.

I'm not sure why the mods haven't chimed in by now this guy is obviously selling something and he even says so.


It's obvious there's a ton of holes in his claims.

Perhaps this site has gone soft on spam and scams.

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John Patrick and Rob Singer come to mind now, for some reason.

Patrick had a guest, "Gwen the Astologer."

What a bunch of nonsense.

She got hooted off the board, as should this guy.

Horse's birthdays?

Ridiculous.

Quote: MrV

Patrick had a guest, "Gwen the Astologer."

What a bunch of nonsense.

She got hooted off the board, as should this guy.

Horse's birthdays?

Ridiculous.

I don't care about money and or charging for anything. I do not advertise and or any promoting or banners on my site. I did months of selections on another board and charged nothing. I'd do the same here if I could figure out a way to post my pdf file. It's too large with too much information. I do traditional horse racing figures and also my Astro-Figs. The results at my website speak for themselves.

RACE 12- 10 FURLONGS DIRT
Kentucky Derby G1- 2000000 18:34 EST
ML P# TRACK SR/PR Astro-BE LR LW P E1 E2 SR LR D-S-T- LAST Condition LAST 2-FIN Astro-ME
NYQUIST 3.0 13 GP 94.0 5EA++/31 35 8 1000 101 145 133 104 95 9.00f D GP -0.6 _ -0.4 _ -2.75 _ 1 = 1x-3.25 _ 1x-1.5 5PEA2+
EXAGGERATOR 8.0 11 SA 94.5 4ES/21 28 7 1000 99 113 122 100 87 9.00f D SA 8 _ 8 _ -15.75 _ 1 = 1x-6.25 _ 3x2.75 3++
CREATOR 10.0 3 OP 95.0 5EA++/31 21 5 1000 92 99 116 97 85 9.00f D OP 4 _ 6.25 _ -11 _ 1 = 1x-1.25 _ 3x3 4E
GUN RUNNER 10.0 5 FG 95.5 5EA++/31 41 5 1000 89 116 114 98 86 9.00f D FG -2.5 _ -1 _ -5 _ 1 = 1x-4.5 _ 1x-0.5 5PEA2+
MOHAYMEN 10.0 14 AQU 95.5 4PE+/41 35 8 1000 101 130 125 98 74 9.00f D GP 0 _ 0.5 _ 7.25 _ 1 = 4x8.25 _ 1x-2.25
MOR SPIRIT 12.0 17 SA 88.5 4E++/11 28 5 1000 99 163 137 97 61 9.00f D SA -0.5 _ 1 _ 1.75 _ 1 = 2x6.25 _ 2x2
BRODY'S CAUSE 12.0 19 KEE 92.5 5EA++/31 28 7 1000 92 105 113 96 88 9.00f D KEE 1.75 _ -5.75 _ -8 _ 3 + 1x-1.75 _ 7x12.5 5EA+
DESTIN 15.0 9 4E++/11 55 8 1650 104 106 102 8.50f D TAM -1 _ 0.5 _ -2.5 _ 1 = 1x-1 _ 1x-2.25
OUTWORK 15.0 15 AQU 87.5 5EA++/31 28 8 1000 91 169 138 95 62 9.00f D AQU 0.6 _ 1.1 _ -0.2 _ 1 = 1x-0.1 _ 2x1
DANZING CANDY 15.0 20 SA 81.5 4E++/11 28 7 1000 99 186 150 94 37 9.00f D SA -1 _ 0 _ 14.75 _ 1 = 4x13.25 _ 1x-2
SUDDENBREAKINGNEWS 20.0 2 OP 94.0 4PE+/41 21 8 1000 92 115 118 97 82 9.00f D OP 0.25 _ 2 _ -8 _ 3 + 2x1.25 _ 5x4.75
MO TOM 20.0 4 FG 89.5 4PE+/41 41 8 1000 89 84 100 90 78 9.00f D FG -5.75 _ -5 _ 1 _ 1 = 4x6 _ 3x1.5
MY MAN SAM 20.0 6 KEE 90.5 5EA++/31 28 8 1000 92 98 106 96 90 9.00f D KEE 3.25 _ 1.5 _ -6.75 _ 1 = 2x1.75 _ 2x1
WHITMORE 20.0 10 OP 92.0 5EA++/32 21 8 1000 92 109 #REF! 94 76 9.00f D OP 7.5 _ 7.25 _ -6.5 _ 1 = 3x2.75 _ 2x1.25
SHAGAF 20.0 16 AQU 83.5 4ES/21 28 8 1000 91 140 127 89 56 9.00f D AQU 4.75 _ 1.75 _ 0.25 _ 1 = 5x4 _ 1x-1.25
LANI 30.0 8 4ES/21 41 4 0 9.50f D MEY NA _ NA _ NA _ 1 = 1x-0.75 _ 5x2.75
TOM'S READY 30.0 12 FG 90.5 4ES/21 41 8 1000 89 102 106 87 73 9.00f D FG 0.25 _ -1.5 _ 1.5 _ 3 + 2x4.5 _ 7x13 Traditional=13,11,5,14
MAJESTO 30.0 18 GP 91.0 4E++/11 35 8 1000 101 135 129 94 83 9.00f D GP 0.25 _ -1 _ 1.25 _ 1 = 2x3.25 _ 1x-1 #13 Good all around
TROJAN NATION 50.0 1 AQU 87.5 28 9 1000 91 114 109 77 65 9.00f D AQU 3 _ 4.25 _ -9.65 _ 1 = 2x0.1 _ 3x3.75 figures
OSCAR NOMINATED 50.0 7 TP 102.0 35 8 1500 76 100 88 93 83 9.00f D TP -2.75 _ -1.75 _ -1.5 _ 1 = 1x-0.25 _ 1x-1.5 Astro=13,5,11

The above post is from my spread-sheet in Excel. It needs to be formatted because it does not show the columns correctly. There are 17 columns of information. Two of those are Astro-figs. This is the Derby sheet. Too bad this forum makes it difficult to post legitimate information. Does anyone know how to post this correctly?

Quote: Mitch

The above post is from my spread-sheet in Excel. It needs to be formatted because it does not show the columns correctly. There are 17 columns of information. Two of those are Astro-figs. This is the Derby sheet. Too bad this forum makes it difficult to post legitimate information. Does anyone know how to post this correctly?

Maybe do a screen shot and post it as a picture.

Does anyone here go to Pace Advantage? It's the Premier Horse racing place on the net. I've been a member there since 2004. They even have a selections thread where people post different things that they may be doing. Lots of techno-cappers and computer programmers etc over there.

Anyway, have a great day and enjoy the Derby. Drink a Mint Julep for me.
Mitch

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And tell us all again why don't you just bet and win yourself?

I'm not sure how all of this works but let's test your system out.

Please give us some winners prior to the races so we can track the results and either confirm or debunk this.

Quote: Mitch

The above post is from my spread-sheet in Excel. It needs to be formatted because it does not show the columns correctly. There are 17 columns of information. Two of those are Astro-figs. This is the Derby sheet. Too bad this forum makes it difficult to post legitimate information. Does anyone know how to post this correctly?

I couldn't match the heading to the rest of the data, so I left it off. Also, I had to split each row into two, as otherwise it would not fit.

NYQUIST	3.0	13	GP	94.0	5EA++/31	35	8	1000	101	145	133	104	95
EXAGGERATOR	8.0	11	SA	94.5	4ES/21	28	7	1000	99	113	122	100	87
CREATOR	10.0	3	OP	95.0	5EA++/31	21	5	1000	92	99	116	97	85
GUN RUNNER	10.0	5	FG	95.5	5EA++/31	41	5	1000	89	116	114	98	86
MOHAYMEN	10.0	14	AQU	95.5	4PE+/41	35	8	1000	101	130	125	98	74
MOR SPIRIT	12.0	17	SA	88.5	4E++/11	28	5	1000	99	163	137	97	61
BRODY'S CAUSE	12.0	19	KEE	92.5	5EA++/31	28	7	1000	92	105	113	96	88
DESTIN	15.0	9			4E++/11	55	8	1650	104	106	102
OUTWORK	15.0	15	AQU	87.5	5EA++/31	28	8	1000	91	169	138	95	62
DANZING CANDY	15.0	20	SA	81.5	4E++/11	28	7	1000	99	186	150	94	37
SUDDENBREAKINGNEWS	20.0	2	OP	94.0	4PE+/41	21	8	1000	92	115	118	97	82
MO TOM	20.0	4	FG	89.5	4PE+/41	41	8	1000	89	84	100	90	78
MY MAN SAM	20.0	6	KEE	90.5	5EA++/31	28	8	1000	92	98	106	96	90
WHITMORE	20.0	10	OP	92.0	5EA++/32	21	8	1000	92	109		94	76
SHAGAF	20.0	16	AQU	83.5	4ES/21	28	8	1000	91	140	127	89	56
LANI	30.0	8			4ES/21	41	4	0
TOM'S READY	30.0	12	FG	90.5	4ES/21	41	8	1000	89	102	106	87	73
MAJESTO	30.0	18	GP	91.0	4E++/11	35	8	1000	101	135	129	94	83
TROJAN NATION	50.0	1	AQU	87.5		28	9	1000	91	114	109	77	65
OSCAR NOMINATED	50.0	7	TP	102.0		35	8	1500	76	100	88	93	83

NYQUIST	9.00f	D	GP	-0.6	-0.4	-2.75	1	=	1x-3.25	1x-1.5	5PEA2+
EXAGGERATOR	9.00f	D	SA	8	8	-15.75	1	=	1x-6.25	3x2.75	3++
CREATOR	9.00f	D	OP	4	6.25	-11	1	=	1x-1.25	3x3	4E
GUN RUNNER	9.00f	D	FG	-2.5	-1	-5	1	=	1x-4.5	1x-0.5	5PEA2+
MOHAYMEN	9.00f	D	GP	0	0.5	7.25	1	=	4x8.25	1x-2.25
MOR SPIRIT	9.00f	D	SA	-0.5	1	1.75	1	=	2x6.25	2x2
BRODY'S CAUSE	9.00f	D	KEE	1.75	-5.75	-8	3		1x-1.75	7x12.5	5EA+
DESTIN	8.50f	D	TAM	-1	0.5	-2.5	1	=	1x-1	1x-2.25
OUTWORK	9.00f	D	AQU	0.6	1.1	-0.2	1	=	1x-0.1	2x1
DANZING CANDY	9.00f	D	SA	-1	0	14.75	1	=	4x13.25	1x-2
SUDDENBREAKINGNEWS	9.00f	D	OP	0.25	2	-8	3		2x1.25	5x4.75
MO TOM	9.00f	D	FG	-5.75	-5	1	1	=	4x6	3x1.5
MY MAN SAM	9.00f	D	KEE	3.25	1.5	-6.75	1	=	2x1.75	2x1
WHITMORE	9.00f	D	OP	7.5	7.25	-6.5	1	=	3x2.75	2x1.25
SHAGAF	9.00f	D	AQU	4.75	1.75	0.25	1	=	5x4	1x-1.25
LANI	9.50f	D	MEY	NA	NA	NA	1	=	1x-0.75	5x2.75
TOM'S READY	9.00f	D	FG	0.25	-1.5	1.5	3		2x4.5	7x13	Traditional=13,11,5,14
MAJESTO	9.00f	D	GP	0.25	-1	1.25	1	=	2x3.25	1x-1	#13 Good all around
TROJAN NATION	9.00f	D	AQU	3	4.25	-9.65	1	=	2x0.1	3x3.75	figures
OSCAR NOMINATED	9.00f	D	TP	-2.75	-1.75	-1.5	1	=	1x-0.25	1x-1.5	Astro=13,5,11