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January 14th, 2015 at 6:21:24 PM permalink
That's a huge departure from the consensus line of -6.5.

I wonder what is going on there...
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January 14th, 2015 at 6:35:02 PM permalink
I'd have to guess someone put huge money on the Colts and they're just trying to balance the action.
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January 14th, 2015 at 6:39:54 PM permalink
I guarantee you that is a mistake. No way is it -3 -110.
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January 14th, 2015 at 6:41:10 PM permalink
So, did you get anything down on that line? If it's a mistake, they should be punished :p
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January 14th, 2015 at 6:49:09 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I guarantee you that is a mistake. No way is it -3 -110.




Check out the MoneyLine, there's only one book where you can LAY less if you want NE on the ML.
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January 14th, 2015 at 7:09:15 PM permalink
Hi

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January 14th, 2015 at 9:27:56 PM permalink
Quote: Perdition

Hi


Seems legit.
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January 14th, 2015 at 9:57:37 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Quote: Perdition

Hi


Seems legit.



So what does this all mean? Does Wynn know something we don't? Are they hedging their book trying to attract more NE bettors because they have too many Indianapolis bets?

Is the Wynn just off on their stats and will they eventually move the line towards everyone else?

If you like the Colts, you'll take the -7 for NE and if you like the NE you'll take the -3 at the Wynn.

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January 14th, 2015 at 10:37:57 PM permalink
Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy



If you like the Colts, you'll take the -7 for NE and if you like the NE you'll take the -3 at the Wynn.

Mirror mirror on the wall, whose the fairest of them all?



You left out the best option of all. Take both and hope for the middle. :)
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January 14th, 2015 at 11:43:57 PM permalink
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You left out the best option of all. Take both and hope for the middle. :)



If you could get 7 and 3, would be such a great middle. Good chance it lands on 7 or 3 exactly and you win one and push one.
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:05:05 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

If you could get 7 and 3, would be such a great middle. Good chance it lands on 7 or 3 exactly and you win one and push one.



I actually have people planning on doing exactly that, assuming the Wynn doesn't move their line by the morning. Not convinced myself, but I suppose if you're going to hedge, it's one of the better options.
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:07:50 AM permalink
Quote: Venthus

I actually have people planning on doing exactly that, assuming the Wynn doesn't move their line by the morning. Not convinced myself, but I suppose if you're going to hedge, it's one of the better options.



Maybe we should all meet for breakfast @ Wynn tomorrow. I have a feeling many of us are heading that way, if the site shows no correction by then. lol
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:57:29 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Maybe we should all meet for breakfast @ Wynn tomorrow. I have a feeling many of us are heading that way, if the site shows no correction by then. lol



Another meet up for January at the Wynn sports book, check! =D
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January 15th, 2015 at 4:00:25 AM permalink
No chance Wynn is at -3. If they wanted to take a position on a side they could offer 1/2 point difference from the market price. No need to go more than 1/2 point.
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January 15th, 2015 at 6:59:06 AM permalink
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No chance Wynn is at -3. If they wanted to take a position on a side they could offer 1/2 point difference from the market price. No need to go more than 1/2 point.


Yeah, even with big action, their line wouldn't move 4 points. At least I mean...I'm not a sportsbook expert, but that's insane, right?

It has to be a mistake, but it's still showing on VegasInsider.com. Anyone been to the physical book this morning?
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January 15th, 2015 at 7:30:45 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Yeah, even with big action, their line wouldn't move 4 points. At least I mean...I'm not a sportsbook expert, but that's insane, right?

It has to be a mistake, but it's still showing on VegasInsider.com. Anyone been to the physical book this morning?



Agree with you.

I ask myself this question. What's more likely- Wynn is offering NE -3 (-110) OR the number on VegasInsider is an error?

The answer is obvious. BUT, if I was in Vegas right now, I'd stop at Wynn just in case.
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January 15th, 2015 at 7:31:53 AM permalink
Quote: HowMany

I ask myself this question. What's more likely- Wynn is offering NE -3 (-110) OR the number on VegasInsider is an error?



I'd lay very long odds it is a VI error. I've seen it happen before.
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January 15th, 2015 at 7:36:44 AM permalink
Assuming it's legit... Who is going to be the runner for the rest of us !?!!?
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:12:28 AM permalink
I will be there in the morning - if its still -3 will hammer it.

If it is an error do they (or any book in this situation) have the right to refuse to pay? I know an off shore book would.
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:38:52 AM permalink
New England-6.5. Just checked.
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:50:41 AM permalink
Quote: Mooseton

New England-6.5. Just checked.



Thanks Mooseton
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:03:23 AM permalink
Yet it's still listed wrong on a couple sites.
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:09:41 AM permalink
Those RSS feeds have mistakes regularly. All you have to do is look at the Total and the first half line to see the game line didn't make sense. The first half line and total line were the same as everybody else.
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:14:58 AM permalink
Quote: Nostron

I will be there in the morning - if its still -3 will hammer it.

If it is an error do they (or any book in this situation) have the right to refuse to pay? I know an off shore book would.


Any reputable physical book in Vegas will pay you if you get money down on a line that was a "mistake."
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January 15th, 2015 at 10:27:28 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Any reputable physical book in Vegas will pay you if you get money down on a line that was a "mistake."



I'm not sure that is always true. I believe the casinos reserve the right to void bets that are mistakes if they catch them before the game. I seem to remember one in the last few years where there was a big line on a game and they had it the wrong way. (ie. Patriots +21 vs Jaguars -21). The error was caught and I believe all the tickets were voided before the game.
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January 15th, 2015 at 11:03:06 AM permalink
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I'm not sure that is always true. I believe the casinos reserve the right to void bets that are mistakes if they catch them before the game. I seem to remember one in the last few years where there was a big line on a game and they had it the wrong way. (ie. Patriots +21 vs Jaguars -21). The error was caught and I believe all the tickets were voided before the game.


Hmmm, you definitely have more experience than me, so I won't doubt that. But I have not heard many stories like this.
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January 15th, 2015 at 11:33:34 AM permalink
I wonder if the brick and motar casino sportbooks "feed" the online services these juicy errors just to drive traffic to their desk. Once you've gone through the hassle of driving there to check it out, you may place a bet on their -6.5 point line anyway. They can always blame the error on the line service, or point to their, "we reserve the right to void any wager" sign.
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January 15th, 2015 at 11:50:26 AM permalink
I was kinda thinking this same thing. That was pretty close to false advertising. Glad I didn't spend a dime. It's been posted as -3 since 01/14/15 11:26:08am and is still posted wrong.
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:45:24 PM permalink
Quote: Nostron

If it is an error do they (or any book in this situation) have the right to refuse to pay?



Yes. It is a rarely invoked right, but if a line is obviously in error, the casino can cancel the bet. I'm not sure how "obviously" is defined, but would be interested to know.
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:55:17 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I wonder if the brick and motar casino sportbooks "feed" the online services these juicy errors just to drive traffic to their desk. Once you've gone through the hassle of driving there to check it out, you may place a bet on their -6.5 point line anyway. They can always blame the error on the line service, or point to their, "we reserve the right to void any wager" sign.



If I were in charge I would do it. It costs nothing for what's basically free advertising, and the only type of patron that you would piss off enough to not come again with this type of tactic is the type of business you probably don't want anyway.
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:31:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes. It is a rarely invoked right, but if a line is obviously in error, the casino can cancel the bet. I'm not sure how "obviously" is defined, but would be interested to know.



I doubt it would happen on an NFL game because those odds are watched closely by everybody.
Probabbly some obvious mistake on hockey or unranked teams in NCAA basketball game that nobody is really paying close attention and missed by everybody but a "sharp"
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January 15th, 2015 at 1:39:03 PM permalink
Surely there's some nevada gaming regulation stating when the casino is allowed to cancel the bets?

I can't imagine it'd be legal to cancel a bet after the result's determined.
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January 15th, 2015 at 7:31:36 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes. It is a rarely invoked right, but if a line is obviously in error, the casino can cancel the bet. I'm not sure how "obviously" is defined, but would be interested to know.



No.


They have a right not to print you the ticket and sell it to you.
But once they've sold it, they have to honor it.
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:27:26 PM permalink
Regardless, minus 3 or minus 6 1/2.....will the Colts cover or win straight up? or is the pick New England by more seven or more?

I'm surprised the line hasn't moved to 7 with all the money in New England and New York vs. little Indy.

In the other game, it seems all the money is coming in on Seattle,the fans choice. But what about the "smart" money? Waiting for what movement?
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January 15th, 2015 at 8:39:03 PM permalink
I think New England wins but doesn't cover.

I think Packers win outright in a shocker special. A-Rod's calf is A-OK, Eddie Lacy will not have an asthma attack, and Davante Adams goes for 9 rec, 120 yards, and two tds.


New England 31
Indianapolis 27



Green Bay 38
Seattle 24
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:04:26 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I think New England wins but doesn't cover.

I think Packers win outright in a shocker special. A-Rod's calf is A-OK, Eddie Lacy will not have an asthma attack, and Davante Adams goes for 9 rec, 120 yards, and two tds.


New England 31
Indianapolis 27



Green Bay 38
Seattle 24


I agree with these selections. No matter how much NE scores, IND will just keep passing the ball all over the place. SEA has played below average STL and CAR last 2 games, GB has played above average DET and DAL with less than 100% QB. If I even make a bet, I am thinking IND/IND over GB/GB over....
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January 16th, 2015 at 6:14:09 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

A-Rod's calf is A-OK,



How do you know that? I just read he wasn't practicing at full speed?
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