krchov
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September 6th, 2025 at 7:43:43 PM permalink
Chased many ainsworth must hit by 10k progressives. Got absolutely punished. I would build them up then the ap players would be lining up at the door to take them down.
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September 7th, 2025 at 12:14:23 AM permalink
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September 7th, 2025 at 6:36:55 AM permalink
It sounds like you could use an agent who could sell the machine once you prime it.
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September 7th, 2025 at 7:01:21 AM permalink
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Chased many ainsworth must hit by 10k progressives. Got absolutely punished. I would build them up then the ap players would be lining up at the door to take them down.
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Why did you start if you didn't have the $ to go all the way?
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krchov
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September 7th, 2025 at 10:36:03 AM permalink
I had the money casino closes at 4am then my day job
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September 12th, 2025 at 10:22:40 AM permalink
I’ve always hated Assworths. Never played a 10k but every $500 I’ve played the loss rate was about 30% before the progressive hit. I mean if you want to take shots at $9500 and 9600 ones then ok but if you want to see it through you have to bring 30-40k cash and be prepared for how long it takes. You can’t start playing at midnight then blame your bad luck cause the casino closes.
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September 12th, 2025 at 2:17:41 PM permalink
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I’ve always hated Assworths. Never played a 10k but every $500 I’ve played the loss rate was about 30% before the progressive hit. I mean if you want to take shots at $9500 and 9600 ones then ok but if you want to see it through you have to bring 30-40k cash and be prepared for how long it takes. You can’t start playing at midnight then blame your bad luck cause the casino closes.
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I did my duty. Made a spreadsheet and a list of all the capped jackpot machines in Atlantic City, when I was playing there.

There are the parameters on the spreadsheet, which I believe are all you need to solve such a machine. The starting point, must-hit-by point, and increment per bet for the minor and the major jackpot. Then you need the overall return for the machine, which is a guess but if you use 88% in that market you won't be too wrong.

Now that's 7 fixed parameters, and then I can enter where the two jackpots actually are right now. What that will give me is two different advantages, one is a worst-case advantage where I run one of the jackpots all the way to the max before it hits, and the other is the real advantage where I assume each jackpot hits halfway between where it is now and the max. And that really is where it will hit, on average, so your advantage calculation assumes you will run it up to that point and it hits. That is usually much better than the worst case.

Pretty cool? Now here's the depressing part- I also calculated how frequently I would find a +EV machine assuming I was the only AP in the universe. That number is awful! I will be walking around for a month of Sundays to find a playable machine. And in reality it will be worse than that, because there are other APs watching and playing and the chances of me being there before another wiseguy plays it are worse. That's when I decided not to pursue it very much.
krchov
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September 13th, 2025 at 4:59:31 PM permalink
usually play 10 hours and then i quit progressives usually on goes up $110 on a $5 bet
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