A way to discourage slot APs
If time is $, then by doing this, it will cut down their $ per hr rate by ALOT.
Especially if they're going after $10k Must Hits and starting at $9650.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
That defeats the purpose of why the games are so popular.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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Quote: 100xOddsTurn off speed stop for all the machines.
If time is $, then by doing this, it will cut down their $ per hr rate by ALOT.
Especially if they're going after $10k Must Hits and starting at $9650.
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This makes about as much sense as the blackjack games cutting off half the shoe to thwart counters.
The main reason that slots are so profitable is the high speed of play.
Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
Perhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
There was at least one game that did this. It was a video poker game. If I recall correctly, it was a cross between Wheel poker and ultimate X of some kind.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
Quote: AxelWolfThat defeats the purpose of why the games are so popular.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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Not to mention it's pretty much the same thing as every slot machine now. "Oh wow, I got a bonus!" Yelled with surprise.
Quote: AxelWolfThere was at least one game that did this. It was a video poker game. If I recall correctly, it was a cross between Wheel poker and ultimate X of some kind.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
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I remember this. I think it was called build a wheel? Every time you got some hand you got a wheel wedge and once you had an the wedges you got to spin the wheel and you got the prize. If you cashed out with an incomplete wheel you got paid for the wedges you had.
Quote: AxelWolfThat defeats the purpose of why the games are so popular.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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My idea is to have an all-text slot machine that as soon as you press the Play button, it says "You win $x!" or "Sorry, try again!"
Quote: smoothgrhQuote: AxelWolfThat defeats the purpose of why the games are so popular.Quote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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My idea is to have an all-text slot machine that as soon as you press the Play button, it says "You win $x!" or "Sorry, try again!"
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I remember seeing a game like that on some early bitcoin casinos.
People played it to tumble, not win.
Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
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I agree, if the AP was just watching the player but that is not how it works in the real world. The AP's are too busy hunting the casinos for plays and wouldn't waste time watching one machine that may not have any advantage.
Somewhat tangential, but I remember an old three-reel slot machine with a "Lucky Clover" theme that claimed, "Every Spin is a Winner!" The minimum bet was 60 cents, and the vast majority of the spins paid 15 cents.
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Quote: DogHandsmoothgrh,
Somewhat tangential, but I remember an old three-reel slot machine with a "Lucky Clover" theme that claimed, "Every Spin is a Winner!" The minimum bet was 60 cents, and the vast majority of the spins paid 15 cents.
Dog Hand
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There was a slot machine with 6 columns but at least 1 column in the 1st 3 was always wild.
Didn't last long because people got tired of pennies or even $0 with a wild
I had an idea for a text-based slot some years ago and made a mockup:Quote: smoothgrhMy idea is to have an all-text slot machine that as soon as you press the Play button, it says "You win $x!" or "Sorry, try again!" link to original post
It's kind of an anachronism: The interface is 70s/80s style, but it's a five-reel machine, which weren't popular until around 2001 or so.
Quote: MichaelBluejayI had an idea for a text-based slot some years ago and made a mockup:Quote: smoothgrhMy idea is to have an all-text slot machine that as soon as you press the Play button, it says "You win $x!" or "Sorry, try again!" link to original post
It's kind of an anachronism: The interface is 70s/80s style, but it's a five-reel machine, which weren't popular until around 2001 or so.
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I like your style. The first Pacman game I wrote was completely in text.
P=Pacman
. = .
@ = Ghost
o = power pill
You just ran the P around the screen with the arrow keys. It looked hokie but it was Pacman on machines that didn't have graphics.
I think that would depend on the potential value. As it stands now, there are some games where people are sitting around waiting as soon as someone starts playing, even if there isn't much added to the bank already.Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
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I agree, if the AP was just watching the player but that is not how it works in the real world. The AP's are too busy hunting the casinos for plays and wouldn't waste time watching one machine that may not have any advantage.
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Perhaps in the future, every machine will have automatic facial recognition, and no matter which machine you go to, you will take your bonus progress with you, where it can be added to the next variable State machine or casino-wide side bonus system. When you are done playing, you can cash out the value at any machine or kiosk. This would also eliminate physical players' cards, and multi-carding for the most part.
If someone refuses to take part in the facial recognition, the only machines they would have access to would be non-variable state type machines.
If that game is online somewhere I'd love to see it.Quote: DRichThe first Pacman game I wrote was completely in text.
P=Pacman
. = .
@ = Ghost
o = power pill
You just ran the P around the screen with the arrow keys. It looked hokie but it was Pacman on machines that didn't have graphics.
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I found two other text-based games, but with no animation. The Python version on GitHub (which requires you to install it in order to run it) shows a screen in the terminal, then you enter your move, and then it outputs a completely new screen. Ugh.
Then there's one in text adventure format. Words describe where you are and what you see, you enter a text command, like to move, and the response will be something like "You have moved" or "You hit a wall."
I asked ChatGPT to write a complete program with ASCII graphics/animation, and it did, but it didn't work. As soon as I start a new game, it says "Game Over". It did make a nice ASCII playing field, though.
Quote: MichaelBluejayI had an idea for a text-based slot some years ago and made a mockup:Quote: smoothgrhMy idea is to have an all-text slot machine that as soon as you press the Play button, it says "You win $x!" or "Sorry, try again!" link to original post
It's kind of an anachronism: The interface is 70s/80s style, but it's a five-reel machine, which weren't popular until around 2001 or so.
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omg worst slot machine EVER
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Perhaps in the future, every machine will have automatic facial recognition, and no matter which machine you go to, you will take your bonus progress with you, where it can be added to the next variable State machine or casino-wide side bonus system. When you are done playing, you can cash out the value at any machine or kiosk. This would also eliminate physical players' cards, and multi-carding for the most part.
That would be a good idea but the problem with it is the stereotype of cameras on the slot machines being used for nefarious reasons. That is the whole reason the fingerprint readers in place of players cards failed.
I tried to add a camera to some machines about 10 years ago for a completely different reason and the regulators shut it down. I wanted to track facial expressions while the players were playing to categorize what people did and did not like the slot machines while they played. One thought was to also award some small bonuses when a player was looking bored and might quit playing.
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I tried to add a camera to some machines about 10 years ago for a completely different reason and the regulators shut it down. I wanted to track facial expressions while the players were playing to categorize what people did and did not like the slot machines while they played. One thought was to also award some small bonuses when a player was looking bored and might quit playing.
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I know I've seen cameras in the Multimedia/Everi tournament bank cabinets. I have no idea if they do anything outside of tournament mode.
I know if I figured out that I won more when I had a bored expression on my face, I'd permanently go into RBF, possibly even getting toxin injections to kill any facial expression.
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I know I've seen cameras in the Multimedia/Everi tournament bank cabinets. I have no idea if they do anything outside of tournament mode.
I know if I figured out that I won more when I had a bored expression on my face, I'd permanently go into RBF, possibly even getting toxin injections to kill any facial expression.
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Obviously, it was more in depth than that. It would correlate facial expressions to game outcomes and win/loss. The whole idea was to get someone that was losing to not leave when they are thinking about leaving. Just throw them a small bonus to try and get them playing for a few more minutes. I was thinking small amount from 1x to 3x of your bet just to give them a reason to not quit right away. It wouldn't be legal to do on the slot machine because outcomes can not be based on previous outcomes so I was going to give the bonus via the player tracking system awarding free play transferred right to the credit meter.
Quote: AxelWolfI think that would depend on the potential value. As it stands now, there are some games where people are sitting around waiting as soon as someone starts playing, even if there isn't much added to the bank already.Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
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I agree, if the AP was just watching the player but that is not how it works in the real world. The AP's are too busy hunting the casinos for plays and wouldn't waste time watching one machine that may not have any advantage.
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Perhaps in the future, every machine will have automatic facial recognition, and no matter which machine you go to, you will take your bonus progress with you, where it can be added to the next variable State machine or casino-wide side bonus system. When you are done playing, you can cash out the value at any machine or kiosk. This would also eliminate physical players' cards, and multi-carding for the most part.
If someone refuses to take part in the facial recognition, the only machines they would have access to would be non-variable state type machines.
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Axel,
We are practically there already. I know of one location that was profitable for years that has finally done something similar although not "facial" recognition.
They have disabled Freeplay from being used by players cards. It is only accessible through an app. I suppose if you leave your phone at home you can go to customer service. Not sure if that works or not.
But you activate the Freeplay scanning the app at the slots. And yeah I tried to see if you could log out and back in with another player and you can't. The app has tracking info that ties the phone directly to that players account.
Naturally I still have some ideas for getting around this but they dropped the offers to the point it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's only this one spot that's done this but yeah, not good for multicarding
I can't remember where it was, but I heard a place was going to phone apps, just change the name from multi-carding to multi-phoneing.Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfI think that would depend on the potential value. As it stands now, there are some games where people are sitting around waiting as soon as someone starts playing, even if there isn't much added to the bank already.Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
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I agree, if the AP was just watching the player but that is not how it works in the real world. The AP's are too busy hunting the casinos for plays and wouldn't waste time watching one machine that may not have any advantage.
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Perhaps in the future, every machine will have automatic facial recognition, and no matter which machine you go to, you will take your bonus progress with you, where it can be added to the next variable State machine or casino-wide side bonus system. When you are done playing, you can cash out the value at any machine or kiosk. This would also eliminate physical players' cards, and multi-carding for the most part.
If someone refuses to take part in the facial recognition, the only machines they would have access to would be non-variable state type machines.
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Axel,
We are practically there already. I know of one location that was profitable for years that has finally done something similar although not "facial" recognition.
They have disabled Freeplay from being used by players cards. It is only accessible through an app. I suppose if you leave your phone at home you can go to customer service. Not sure if that works or not.
But you activate the Freeplay scanning the app at the slots. And yeah I tried to see if you could log out and back in with another player and you can't. The app has tracking info that ties the phone directly to that players account.
Naturally I still have some ideas for getting around this but they dropped the offers to the point it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's only this one spot that's done this but yeah, not good for multicarding
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I'm not sure if simply changing out the SIM card would work. I do know there is a phone on the market that can handle up the four diffrent SIM cards at the same time. I'm sure there are some tech, apps, or open source phones out there that would allow someome to access multiple accounts on one phone without being detected.
Quote: AxelWolfI can't remember where it was, but I heard a place was going to phone apps, just change the name from multi-carding to multi-phoneing. I'm not sure if simply changing out the SIM card would work. I do know there is a phone on the market that can handle up the four diffrent SIM cards at the same time. I'm sure there are some tech, apps, or open source phones out there that would allow someome to access multiple accounts on one phone without being detected.Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfI think that would depend on the potential value. As it stands now, there are some games where people are sitting around waiting as soon as someone starts playing, even if there isn't much added to the bank already.Quote: DRichQuote: AxelWolfPerhaps there is more to it than what you've mentioned. It seems to me that an advantage player could simply take note of the previous player's progress and just jump in when they left.Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhThis was a question on a recent Wizard AMA livestream. His idea was for the slot machine to pay out a cash bonus each cash out, if the machine was in a bonus.
My idea is to have the bonus or whatever in each machine, but keep it hidden. That way no player or vulture knows what state the machine is in, and have it be a total surprise if/when the bonus pays out.
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I did something like this many years ago on a persistent state game. When the player cashes out I reset the persistent state but banked the EV for the next player that finishes bonus. This way all of the money still got paid out but it wasn't obvious that there was an EV play because the board was reset.
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I could see this working well in a place that isn't frequented by Advantage players, such as a bar or smaller location.
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I agree, if the AP was just watching the player but that is not how it works in the real world. The AP's are too busy hunting the casinos for plays and wouldn't waste time watching one machine that may not have any advantage.
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Perhaps in the future, every machine will have automatic facial recognition, and no matter which machine you go to, you will take your bonus progress with you, where it can be added to the next variable State machine or casino-wide side bonus system. When you are done playing, you can cash out the value at any machine or kiosk. This would also eliminate physical players' cards, and multi-carding for the most part.
If someone refuses to take part in the facial recognition, the only machines they would have access to would be non-variable state type machines.
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Axel,
We are practically there already. I know of one location that was profitable for years that has finally done something similar although not "facial" recognition.
They have disabled Freeplay from being used by players cards. It is only accessible through an app. I suppose if you leave your phone at home you can go to customer service. Not sure if that works or not.
But you activate the Freeplay scanning the app at the slots. And yeah I tried to see if you could log out and back in with another player and you can't. The app has tracking info that ties the phone directly to that players account.
Naturally I still have some ideas for getting around this but they dropped the offers to the point it wasn't worth the hassle.
It's only this one spot that's done this but yeah, not good for multicarding
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Yeah it's where my head was at as well.
But like I said this place didn't stop there. The offers dropped to once per week AND to a rolling average. So no more monthly calendar. You just get one offer and if you take it the next week offer is affected.
Even with all that there is a way I can think of to beat them but the amount of work for the return is so ridiculous that unless I have no other options I am not bothering with it.
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Even with all that there is a way I can think of to beat them but the amount of work for the return is so ridiculous that unless I have no other options I am not bothering with it.
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That is exactly what the casino is counting on. If they achieved that, they did a good job. They know they can't stop everything but they can try and make it harder,
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Even with all that there is a way I can think of to beat them but the amount of work for the return is so ridiculous that unless I have no other options I am not bothering with it.
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That is exactly what the casino is counting on. If they achieved that, they did a good job. They know they can't stop everything but they can try and make it harder,
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Yeah that's just a part of the multi-carding game I have been playing for over a decade.
I periodically check up on locations that "got rid of me" because they often get negative feedback from their customers and often go back to the same opportunities I had before.
Not always but sometimes
Quote: 100xOddsE-sims should give you unlimited unless the casino also tracks by phone serial #?
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I already figured out how to overcome it. Turned out to be much simpler than I thought it would be
Gonna keep the solution under wraps. And it didn't involve anything like buying separate phones etc.
But the rolling average is a different story. That one will require hours of hard labor to overcome with only a small profit reward.
Like I said, unless it's my last option I will be moving on elsewhere
Quote: billryanHow difficult would it be for the casino to require a player to check in with ID to activate their freeplay?
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Trivial.
That said, if the goal of a freeplay offer is to make me want to visit, making me check in at the desk is contrary to intent.
Quote: billryanHow difficult would it be for the casino to require a player to check in with ID to activate their freeplay?
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
It's easy to enter a casino with twenty player cards, but it's not so easy to have twenty state-issued IDs to activate them.
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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Sure, you could install new ID scan kiosks, but the boothlings are already there.
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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It would be expensive and tedious but I usually figure these things out.
Facts: I used to rent a van and bring people to the casino. Now I have a meetup apartment nearby where people get socialize around milk and cookies etc while they "loan" me their ID. A particular casino is 20 minutes drive and my runner goes in and uses the automated card printing kiosk to create new players cards. No contact with live people at the sign up booths. Full control of pin creation.
I call this locking the doors while opening the windows. The casinos close my opportunities while opening new ones.
But yeah doing it one time is fine. Multiple times a month would get costly and I can see plenty of other headaches.
The biggest reason why I doubt that would be viable for the casinos is that would mean only state ID holders would be able to get their Freeplay. People have other forma including passports and yes some people lose their ID and would be shut out of their Freeplay.
Quote: billryanI don't see why a boothling wouldn't be able to accept passports or college IDs, etc., etc. Will it shut out a few people with no ID? Yes, but the typical "person in a casino without ID" segment of the market isn't one worth worrying about. I'd let my competitor corner it if possible.
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Well everyone has the simple solution except the casinos.
Wondering why!
Quote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanHow difficult would it be for the casino to require a player to check in with ID to activate their freeplay?
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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Sure, you could install new ID scan kiosks, but the boothlings are already there.
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Whats a casino kiosk cost to install and maintain? Adding a few PT boothlings isn't much and there is no initial investment, unlike the kiosk.
Quote: billryanThe casinos view the small amount of free play that is abused as spoilage. As long as it stays below a certain point, it's easier to ignore it and factor it into the FP equation than to reinvent a successful system that has a few parasites attached to it. I suspect preventing spoilage at the casino buffet ranks higher on their to-do list than free play abuse.
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Exactly the way I want them to think.
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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Sure, you could install new ID scan kiosks, but the boothlings are already there.
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I don't disagree, but usually there is only one booth and it would be better to make it more convenient for the customers.
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichQuote: billryanHow difficult would it be for the casino to require a player to check in with ID to activate their freeplay?
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I think the better idea is to have multiple kiosks around the casino where you could activate it. Swipe your player card, enter your pin, scan ID. If all three match activate free play.
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The problem with that is that a machine can't look at the person and see that they are offering a fake ID.
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Although facial recognition is very simple these days for computers, I was thinking just verify the drivers license or ID matches the one used to sign up. Not perfect, but I doubt even Darkoz has drivers licenses matching all of his players cards.
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Sure, you could install new ID scan kiosks, but the boothlings are already there.
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Whats a casino kiosk cost to install and maintain? Adding a few PT boothlings isn't much and there is no initial investment, unlike the kiosk.
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I imagine the pain point isn't the kiosk cost (I expect Everi will offer comfortable terms), but the custom software development and deployment time.
The booth crew can just do it, now.
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Well everyone has the simple solution except the casinos.
Wondering why!
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Easy answer, because they no longer pay me.
If casinos really wanted to get rid of slot APs all they need to do is to ban all the guys wearing man purses & all the people sitting behind the buffalo ascension machines all day.
This would eliminate 90% of slot APs right off the top.
And if anyone wearing a man purse that was not a slot AP accidentally got banned it would not be a major loss as statistically man purse wearing males are one of the least profitable segments of casino patrons.
There really should be a distinction between slot vultures and slot Advantage Players.Quote: BrickapotamusActually no reason to go through all this rigmarole to solve an imaginary problem.
If casinos really wanted to get rid of slot APs all they need to do is to ban all the guys wearing man purses & all the people sitting behind the buffalo ascension machines all day.
This would eliminate 90% of slot APs right off the top.
And if anyone wearing a man purse that was not a slot AP accidentally got banned it would not be a major loss as statistically man purse wearing males are one of the least profitable segments of casino patrons.
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