100xOdds
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July 30th, 2025 at 7:15:10 AM permalink
How much $ slot AP's make depends on how many of them are at the casino.
That got me thinking about total overall $ from AP opportunities.

Let's take a busy AP infested casino like Borgata in AC:
https://gamingamerica.com/news/12832/nj-casino-revenue-reaches-33bn-during-fy2024-operating-profit-decreases-92

FY2024: $783M revenue

Let's say 10% of the machines are AP'able at 103% ev.
$783M x 10% = $78.3M
$78.3M x 3% = $2.35M up for grabs

If there are 100 AP's total at Borgata throughout the year:
$2.35M/100 = $23.5k each, on avg

But of course not all AP's will be there 7days/week, 10hrs+ per day.
The more part timers, the higher the full timer's avg.
And some AP's will get more plays because they camp instead of just circling.

So that's my SWAG estimate.
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Jul 30, 2025
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July 30th, 2025 at 9:18:35 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

How much $ slot AP's make depends on how many of them are at the casino.
That got my thinking about total overall AP opportunities.

Let's take a busy AP infested casino like Borgata in AC:
https://gamingamerica.com/news/12832/nj-casino-revenue-reaches-33bn-during-fy2024-operating-profit-decreases-92

FY2024: $783M revenue

Let's say 10% of the machines are AP'able at 103% ev.
$783M x 10% = $78.3M
$78.3M x 3% = $2.35M up for grabs

If there are 100 AP's total at Borgata throughout the year:
$2.35M/100 = $24.5k each, on avg

But of course not all AP's will be there 7days/week, 10hrs+ per day.
The more part timers, the higher the full timer's avg.
And some AP's will get more plays because they camp instead of just circling.

So that's my SWAG estimate.
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Are you suggesting the average Borgota AP makes less than a fast food worker?
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July 30th, 2025 at 9:35:26 AM permalink
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$2.35M/100 = $24.5k each, on avg

So that's my SWAG estimate.
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2.35/100 =0.0235 .
Is this your Scientific Wild-Ass Guess?

Also, AP machines are probably 2% at most.
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July 30th, 2025 at 9:51:51 AM permalink
Quote: aceside

Quote: 100xOdds


$2.35M/100 = $24.5k each, on avg

So that's my SWAG estimate.
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2.35/100 =0.0235 .
Is this your Scientific Wild-Ass Guess?

Also, AP machines are probably 2% at most.
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Also, these slots only yield a player edge a small portion of the time, so a much smaller portion of overall play should be included in your calculations.
I want to start wearing a T-shirt that reads, “Don’t feel sorry for me. I’m an AP!”
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July 30th, 2025 at 10:05:24 AM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds


$2.35M/100 = $24.5k each, on avg

So that's my SWAG estimate.
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2.35/100 =0.0235 .
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Thx. corrected
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July 30th, 2025 at 3:43:00 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: 100xOdds

How much $ slot AP's make depends on how many of them are at the casino.
That got my thinking about total overall AP opportunities.

Let's take a busy AP infested casino like Borgata in AC:
https://gamingamerica.com/news/12832/nj-casino-revenue-reaches-33bn-during-fy2024-operating-profit-decreases-92

FY2024: $783M revenue

Let's say 10% of the machines are AP'able at 103% ev.
$783M x 10% = $78.3M
$78.3M x 3% = $2.35M up for grabs

If there are 100 AP's total at Borgata throughout the year:
$2.35M/100 = $24.5k each, on avg

But of course not all AP's will be there 7days/week, 10hrs+ per day.
The more part timers, the higher the full timer's avg.
And some AP's will get more plays because they camp instead of just circling.

So that's my SWAG estimate.
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Are you suggesting the average Borgota AP makes less than a fast food worker?
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But one guy hires, trains, and banks people, keeping 20 of them in rotation at one location alone for a 50% split.
Account for leakage, etc, and he could be pulling in 200k a year at just one location.
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