Casino Bonus Abusing

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Is there a way to test hypothesis on slot bonus abuse if I don't know the slot hit ratio, especially on bonus feature?

So basically the hypothesis is that if I play some type of slot game (Book of Dead for example) and I set my bets to 1 line only and then max out coin value. And when I win I use gamble mode until I win big (2000x+), usually I start doing it only when I have a decent win, usually from Freespins feature.

To add in another variable. I can use unlimited times double up bonus, which I have to wager 30x. And the strategy is to win big and then do the wagering requirement or to lose every bet I make.

This creates a big variation, which in theory should give some kind of an advantage? As I don't do the 30x wagering requirement on losing times (although the theoretical loss is still there).

Would be interested in how to calculate this.

Pretty sure you can't be accused of Bonus Abuse on an Online Casino Slot game. The only play I know of that has been getting heat in recent years is playing Both sides on Automated Baccarat & European Roulette.

Since the worst you will come out playing both sides in Baccarat would be the 5% commission, you can run through hundreds of hands to meet Bonus Playthrough Requirements.

Roulette is worse because of the 2.7% chance to hit the Single Green Zero, although small, will kill you for 2x Losses. But many people do the Roulette both sides hack as you can run through hundreds of spins faster and some Casino apps give a higher percent per spin towards the requirement where as Online Baccarat is among the Lowest(even 0% on some apps)...

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Pretty sure you can't be accused of Bonus Abuse on an Online Casino Slot game.

You CAN absolutely be accused of bonus abuse on an online casino SLOT game, it happens all the time. Some places have a deposit with a bonus to a deposit with a non-bonus deposit ratio(It does NOT matter what games you play).

Normally they will just cut you off of any new bonuses, but sometimes they just simply don't pay you and claim you are a bonus abuser.

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Pretty sure you can't be accused of Bonus Abuse on an Online Casino Slot game.

You CAN absolutely be accused of bonus abuse on an online casino SLOT game, it happens all the time. Some places have a deposit with a bonus to a deposit with a non-bonus deposit ratio(It does NOT matter what games you play).

Normally they will just cut you off of any new bonuses, but sometimes they just simply don't pay you and claim you are a bonus abuser.
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Or they just lock your account with no explanation for especially heinous abusers.....not thinking of any one in particular you understand....

The approach the AP describes works but has insane variance. That might protect you from a ban for longer...I noticed risk-reduction approaches have resulted in more bans than risk-taking approaches-probably because no one is supposed to win for four months in a row.

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Pretty sure you can't be accused of Bonus Abuse on an Online Casino Slot game.

You CAN absolutely be accused of bonus abuse on an online casino SLOT game, it happens all the time. Some places have a deposit with a bonus to a deposit with a non-bonus deposit ratio(It does NOT matter what games you play).

Normally they will just cut you off of any new bonuses, but sometimes they just simply don't pay you and claim you are a bonus abuser.
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Or they just lock your account with no explanation for especially heinous abusers.....not thinking of any one in particular you understand....

The approach the AP describes works but has insane variance. That might protect you from a ban for longer...I noticed risk-reduction approaches have resulted in more bans than risk-taking approaches-probably because no one is supposed to win for four months in a row.
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4 months in a row is a nice length of time.

I run into places that screw you because you won on your second deposit, and thats even after losing a little on your first deposit. They just call you a bonus hunter/abuser/chaser etc.

On the other hand, there's places that I have been playing and they have been paying for years who still offer me good bonuses.

And yet....


I posted up a thread about a casino that's advertised here.... Bitbet.

I never took a bonus, I never advantage played them, I never use a system. I was just checking them out and got lucky. $2500 ish off of a $100 to $200 deposit.

I contacted LCB, but the casino doesn't respond.

It's probably been over a year since my first attempted cash out.

What concerns me about online Gambling is they'll TAKE your money to start the online Gambling, such as depositing $5,000 to start gambling, but when you WIN, like say winning $10,0000, they can and will accuse you of cheating and permanently ban you, keeping the money you won so that you lose your deposit and your profit, scary stuff to be completely honest. 😱😳

You have the right idea. I'll leave the math to people smarter than me, but going large and high variance early can grant an advantage on bonuses where it looks like the playthrough would typically eat up most of the value. You hit the nail on the head as to why. Note that some online casinos, typically offshore, explicitly ban this type of behavior, and will steal your money (check out Bvda bonus t&c rule #13 for a typical example), but I would feel totally comfortable doing something like this at a regulated US book.

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What concerns me about online Gambling is they'll TAKE your money to start the online Gambling, such as depositing $5,000 to start gambling, but when you WIN, like say winning $10,0000, they can and will accuse you of cheating and permanently ban you, keeping the money you won so that you lose your deposit and your profit, scary stuff to be completely honest. 😱😳
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Oh God yeah. This was my biggest problem with online ap. Sweating 75% of your bankroll tied up in a shed in some unregulated jurisdiction...it is just horrible. Effective risk management is almost impossible.

Generally speaking you have to do it or you just won't make enough money. And most of the idea you do get paid....eventually. The stress was much worse for me than the actual non-payouts which you can jjust write off as an expense.

Curious if Axel has any words of widsom on this one.

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What concerns me about online Gambling is they'll TAKE your money to start the online Gambling, such as depositing $5,000 to start gambling, but when you WIN, like say winning $10,0000, they can and will accuse you of cheating and permanently ban you, keeping the money you won so that you lose your deposit and your profit, scary stuff to be completely honest. 😱😳
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Oh God yeah. This was my biggest problem with online ap. Sweating 75% of your bankroll tied up in a shed in some unregulated jurisdiction...it is just horrible. Effective risk management is almost impossible.

Generally speaking you have to do it or you just won't make enough money. And most of the idea you do get paid....eventually. The stress was much worse for me than the actual non-payouts which you can jjust write off as an expense.

Curious if Axel has any words of widsom on this one.
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If one sticks to the top well-known good reputation casinos they're probably not going to get screwed. Of course, there are bigger advantages to be had on the lesser-known more risky online casinos.

FYI I doubt I would ever risk 75% of my bankroll on anything, even on a great arbitrage situation, perhaps 50%. I'm not afraid to leave money on the table sometimes.

When it comes to offshore online AP, it's best to make sure you have a significant advantage, 10% or more. There are some occasions when one might consider playing 1% or 2 %, but that's rare. Obviously, having a bigger percentage Advantage allows you to fade getting screwed on occasion. It's hard to come up with an exact formula because you're more likely to get screwed on bigger balances as opposed to smaller balances.

With the exception of some online Sports Books, I generally keep my deposits to $1,500 or less(the most I ever deposited into an offshore sports book was about $7,000).

I'm not looking to make a big score at any one particular place, as a matter of fact, I actually get annoyed if I make a big score. I'm only looking to make 50%-150% of my deposit.

Spread it around. One should be alternating between 20+ online casinos and have 5 or 6 going at one time.

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What concerns me about online Gambling is they'll TAKE your money to start the online Gambling, such as depositing $5,000 to start gambling, but when you WIN, like say winning $10,0000, they can and will accuse you of cheating and permanently ban you, keeping the money you won so that you lose your deposit and your profit, scary stuff to be completely honest. 😱😳
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That's why you stick to well-known online casinos that have a good reputation and you never deposit more than you can comfortably afford to lose without caring all that much if it does happen.

Are we talking domestic regulated casinos or offshore? Big difference. On sportsbookreview even seemingly reputable places like betonline and bookmaker have been getting legitimate complaints lately. Their terms of service still allow them to do anything. I have not heard of even one person not getting paid from a regulated book.

Usually the rollover requirements for a bonus are enough that betting on player and banker would still be losing. Sometimes I think to myself I don't want to deal with the variance just bet both but then I'm like nah let's try to run this up. One time immediately after a play I had to go on draftkings chat about something. The agent ended it by saying oh and don't bet on both sides in baccarat, the bonus won't count or something like that. It was pretty obvious he got an alert or something.