Make a living on slot play

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But comp hustling versus the military, generally when I am in hostile territory facing the enemy (security guards) I am not facing grenades and rocket launchers and other stuff designed to kill me.

You do realize that the majority of U.S. military personnel never see action.
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Basic training is too much action for me

But yes I do realize that. Nonetheless if a war starts with the casino I am not freaking out. If I was in the military and I was risking my life I would be

In that respect call me a coward.

It changes slightly from time to time, but generally, The US Army is geared so 90% of its personnel support the 10% that is combat troops.

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Presumably there is a part of being in the military of serving your country that may appeal to people. It is always good to be working for a greater accomplishment or goal. The dealer at the casino at least are in the mission of entertaining their guests and facilitating a fair game of chance, minus the house edge. Casino gambling is basically a zero sum game, and the AP is just trying to get more than the normal share. The ditch digger or restroom cleaner adds more value to society than the full time AP. The APs that are counting cards at least have the argument that they are making the rich casino a little less richer by taking away the house edge.

For slot hustlers, they really are taking away bonuses from other players, since the casino house edge over the long run is the same. Now, if someone leaves a machine in a positive state, it's the equivalent to the 80 cent tickets left over at cash out - something that they did voluntarily, I have no issues collecting that much like the guy who leaves their cans in a bag for someone to pick up and sell. But the slot hustlers get the bad rap when they hover over machines, blow smoke in other gamblers, refuse to give distance when asked to leave - to say nothing of the people who talk to people on Ultimate X machines and the like giving them false information. At least the hookers who chat you up are offering something of value, poor as it may be. And picking up cans at least has the benefit of cleaning up litter and conserving resources, unlike the slot machine "can collectors" who are roaming around to pick up a few bucks of EV. I suppose at least they aren't sedentary, although they are severely underpaid for suffering through all that second hand smoke and loud music.

I completely accept the premise that checking scarab machines, using a hi-lo count, and arbing player props to earn an income is not creating, providing, or adding any value. What I can't accept is the idea that there is no value coming from the person on one side of a bet, but there is from the person or people on the other side.

If the person who walks into a casino and makes bets as their job is not adding value, then the casino whose job it is to take bets is also not adding any value.

If there is value in the casino's job to take bets, then how can there not be value in the individual whose job it is to make those bets?

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Presumably there is a part of being in the military of serving your country that may appeal to people. It is always good to be working for a greater accomplishment or goal. The dealer at the casino at least are in the mission of entertaining their guests and facilitating a fair game of chance, minus the house edge. Casino gambling is basically a zero sum game, and the AP is just trying to get more than the normal share. The ditch digger or restroom cleaner adds more value to society than the full time AP. The APs that are counting cards at least have the argument that they are making the rich casino a little less richer by taking away the house edge.

For slot hustlers, they really are taking away bonuses from other players, since the casino house edge over the long run is the same. Now, if someone leaves a machine in a positive state, it's the equivalent to the 80 cent tickets left over at cash out - something that they did voluntarily, I have no issues collecting that much like the guy who leaves their cans in a bag for someone to pick up and sell. But the slot hustlers get the bad rap when they hover over machines, blow smoke in other gamblers, refuse to give distance when asked to leave - to say nothing of the people who talk to people on Ultimate X machines and the like giving them false information. At least the hookers who chat you up are offering something of value, poor as it may be. And picking up cans at least has the benefit of cleaning up litter and conserving resources, unlike the slot machine "can collectors" who are roaming around to pick up a few bucks of EV. I suppose at least they aren't sedentary, although they are severely underpaid for suffering through all that second hand smoke and loud music.
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Not all Slot AP's Vulture machines, there are so many other plays avaliable on slots outside of vulturing. I have done very little slot vulturing compared to all the other slot plays I have done.

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Not all Slot AP's Vulture machines, there are so many other plays avaliable on slots outside of vulturing. I have done very little slot vulturing compared to all the other slot plays I have done.

Yeah never done it even though I'm well into six figures lifetime from slots.

Just curious: is the discussion of vulturing inclusive of silver mining? Is that even a thing any more? I still see unused credits around so I'm guessing it is. As I recall some used to make a living from that exclusively but they were borderline or actually homeless. But it would be a nice supplement if you had other plays and lived frugally.

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Not all Slot AP's Vulture machines, there are so many other plays avaliable on slots outside of vulturing. I have done very little slot vulturing compared to all the other slot plays I have done.

Yeah never done it even though I'm well into six figures lifetime from slots.

Just curious: is the discussion of vulturing inclusive of silver mining? Is that even a thing any more? I still see unused credits around so I'm guessing it is. As I recall some used to make a living from that exclusively but they were borderline or actually homeless. But it would be a nice supplement if you had other plays and lived frugally.
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My limited knowledge of Silver Minning was known to me and other Advantage Players as credit hustling. Most of the guys doing it were fairly sketchy with drug problems. However...

I actually know 2 guys who got their very lucrative AP careers started off by credit hustling(they have millions now)

Back then they were making about 75 a day with long hours and many pairs of worn out shoes.

With that came knowing every nook and cranny of the casinos, and with that you noticed new game installs, mistakes, promotions, Advantage Players an astute person would inevitably find some very lucrative opertunites before everyone else. If one has their head on straight and the drive to credit hustle for 12 hours a day while making very little just imagine what they can do once they find other +EV opertunites.

I haven't any idea what someone could make doing it nowadays

With the rise of kiosks that don't dispense coins, I see people looking for a few cents more so they don't feel bad about not standing in line for the cage.

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Not all Slot AP's Vulture machines, there are so many other plays avaliable on slots outside of vulturing. I have done very little slot vulturing compared to all the other slot plays I have done.

Yeah never done it even though I'm well into six figures lifetime from slots.

Just curious: is the discussion of vulturing inclusive of silver mining? Is that even a thing any more? I still see unused credits around so I'm guessing it is. As I recall some used to make a living from that exclusively but they were borderline or actually homeless. But it would be a nice supplement if you had other plays and lived frugally.
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My limited knowledge of Silver Minning was known to me and other Advantage Players as credit hustling. Most of the guys doing it were fairly sketchy with drug problems. However...

I actually know 2 guys who got their very lucrative AP careers started off by credit hustling(they have millions now)

Back then they were making about 75 a day with long hours and many pairs of worn out shoes.

With that came knowing every nook and cranny of the casinos, and with that you noticed new game installs, mistakes, promotions, Advantage Players an astute person would inevitably find some very lucrative opertunites before everyone else. If one has their head on straight and the drive to credit hustle for 12 hours a day while making very little just imagine what they can do once they find other +EV opertunites.

I haven't any idea what someone could make doing it nowadays
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Yeah I thought the term "silver mining" had probably become obsolete since coins are used much less.

$75 a day does sound close to minimum subsistence level-with $100 or so extra from the other plays you'd think it would be possible to build a bankroll with frugal living. Difficult but possible.

I'd really like to hear the stories of the guys you mention. You get so much BS from people who claim to have started with nothing and made it-but it sounds like the actually did? I agree with you if they can get out of poverty they'd probably be lethal top-flight AP's.

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Not all Slot AP's Vulture machines, there are so many other plays avaliable on slots outside of vulturing. I have done very little slot vulturing compared to all the other slot plays I have done.

Yeah never done it even though I'm well into six figures lifetime from slots.

Just curious: is the discussion of vulturing inclusive of silver mining? Is that even a thing any more? I still see unused credits around so I'm guessing it is. As I recall some used to make a living from that exclusively but they were borderline or actually homeless. But it would be a nice supplement if you had other plays and lived frugally.
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My limited knowledge of Silver Minning was known to me and other Advantage Players as credit hustling. Most of the guys doing it were fairly sketchy with drug problems. However...

I actually know 2 guys who got their very lucrative AP careers started off by credit hustling(they have millions now)

Back then they were making about 75 a day with long hours and many pairs of worn out shoes.

With that came knowing every nook and cranny of the casinos, and with that you noticed new game installs, mistakes, promotions, Advantage Players an astute person would inevitably find some very lucrative opertunites before everyone else. If one has their head on straight and the drive to credit hustle for 12 hours a day while making very little just imagine what they can do once they find other +EV opertunites.

I haven't any idea what someone could make doing it nowadays
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Yeah I thought the term "silver mining" had probably become obsolete since coins are used much less.

$75 a day does sound close to minimum subsistence level-with $100 or so extra from the other plays you'd think it would be possible to build a bankroll with frugal living. Difficult but possible.

I'd really like to hear the stories of the guys you mention. You get so much BS from people who claim to have started with nothing and made it-but it sounds like the actually did? I agree with you if they can get out of poverty they'd probably be lethal top-flight AP's.
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I myself came to Vegas on a greyhound bus with around $300. I wasn't even old enough to gamble. I owed a significant amount for traffic violations to get my driver's license reinstated.

My first night here I got a ticket on a motorcycle LOL.

I did have a places to stay and quickly got a min wage job and my own place.

To supplement my income I shot pool for small stakes, bought and sold sports cards, found a few small +EV casino promotions along the way.

Once I turned 21

With somw of my extra money I would take shots at card counting and a few VP prog's, but I didn't really have enough money to go anywhere with that. I was still basically living paycheck to paycheck.


In the meantime I was always looking for little or no risk +EV situations. Sigma's Flush Attack Video Poker came out and with that I never looked back as i was now able to build a bankroll and play other more lucrative and riskier things.

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In the meantime I was always looking for little or no risk +EV situations. Sigma's Flush Attack Video Poker came out and with that I never looked back as i was now able to build a bankroll and play other more lucrative and riskier things.

Flush Attack still might be my favorite gambling game just because of the memories it holds for me. Flush Attack was the game that made me an Advantage Player where I found my first +EV scenarios without ever hearing the terms AP and EV. I saw it and it just made sense to me like no other opportunity before it.

That;s really impressive ty. I'm guessing $300 was worth quite a bit more then but even so, must have been terrifying.

I didn't even try and work while building a bank-fortunately credit was easy to come by in the 90's. Dunno how you managed it.

Around the same time I started, I meet an individual who came to Vegas just after college to bet sports(at home on paper he did well)

He initially lived out of his car and had only a small bankroll.

His sports betting wasn't producing as well as he was expecting. He had to take some FF delivery jobs. One time while exiting a sports book he found quite a bit of credits on a slot machine. That made him wonder how much he could make simply credit hustling. He did ok and made enough to live. He even took me on his route and showed me all the little tricks. IE the coins get caught under this lip on this machine.

That lead him to finding some Really lucrative slot machines, then Flush Attack and the right people. Things took off from there.