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March 9th, 2023 at 11:53:59 AM permalink
We haven't had a new vulturable slot machine thread in a while. The next one I'd like to look at is Buffalo Link.



The gist of this one is every time the player gets a Buffalo head (as opposed to the whole body) it is banked in a meter. This meter resets at 100 after a bonus is played. If the meter reaches 1,800, then a bonus is automatically played. Obviously, if the game is left close enough to 1,800 then the odds with the player's advantage, with a bonus ripe and ready to hit.



My secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:

100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300

As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.

I am working on a page at WoO on Buffalo Link. So far, it just has pictures of the rules screens and the Play Points. I plan to put the rules in my own writing shortly.

The question for the poll is do you play Buffalo Link and what are your thoughts? Multiple votes allowed.

p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
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Whenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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March 9th, 2023 at 1:01:03 PM permalink
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Whenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
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March 9th, 2023 at 2:19:53 PM permalink
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p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
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Another thing...they're really Bison, not Buffalo. I guess "Bison Link" just doesn't have a good ring to it.
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March 9th, 2023 at 3:15:20 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: rsactuary

Whenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
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It's so the casual player who grasps the significance doesn't feel he is the sucker. "Well, it's already at 100 let's see if I hit".
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March 9th, 2023 at 5:06:58 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: Wizard

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Whenever I see this, all I can think about is why they reset to 100. Why not reset to 0 and have the must hit by at 1700?
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Good point. I've noticed a fear and ignorance of the number zero in general. This is especially evident in how to like to put things on a 1 to 10 scale. Why doesn't the scale start at 0?
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It's so the casual player who grasps the significance doesn't feel he is the sucker. "Well, it's already at 100 let's see if I hit".
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March 9th, 2023 at 11:56:11 PM permalink
What would be the logical reasoning to change the entry points based off of the bet multiplier (as opposed to denomination).
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March 10th, 2023 at 2:01:21 AM permalink
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March 10th, 2023 at 4:18:49 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:

100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300

As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.
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why a lower entry point the higher the bet value?
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March 10th, 2023 at 5:01:52 AM permalink
I always played theses at 1350+ whatever the bet level. Curious about that too.
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March 10th, 2023 at 6:57:30 AM permalink
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why a lower entry point the higher the bet value?
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The more you bet in this game, the higher the RTP. You should be more picky about jumping in at a low bet level, because you'll lose more waiting for a bonus.

However, I think I should have also considered the denom, not just the number of credits bet.

I may reword my advice on this, but it seems reasonable to me there would be a range if you accept the notion the RTP and bet amount are correlated. I have evidence they are, but I'm not at liberty to state what the evidence is.
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March 10th, 2023 at 10:19:07 AM permalink
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why a lower entry point the higher the bet value?
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The more you bet in this game, the higher the RTP. You should be more picky about jumping in at a low bet level, because you'll lose more waiting for a bonus.

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so if the game is 92% rtp, then that's just the avg of the rtp at the various bet levels?

That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)
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March 10th, 2023 at 2:08:13 PM permalink
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)



That would not be a valid assumption.
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March 10th, 2023 at 3:18:26 PM permalink
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)



That would not be a valid assumption.
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so 92% is the highest?
Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
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March 10th, 2023 at 4:57:23 PM permalink
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)



That would not be a valid assumption.
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so 92% is the highest?
Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
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No, it would be an incorrect assumption that the RTP is way higher at a higher denomination. If average is 92% I would be very surprised if the high end was much more than 93.5% and probably not that high.
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March 11th, 2023 at 9:28:52 AM permalink
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That also suggests that the highest bet level for that denom is way higher than the avg rtp (ie: 96% if avg is 92?)



That would not be a valid assumption.
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so 92% is the highest?
Ie: only at highest bet of that denom?
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No, it would be an incorrect assumption that the RTP is way higher at a higher denomination. If average is 92% I would be very surprised if the high end was much more than 93.5% and probably not that high.
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any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?
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March 11th, 2023 at 12:56:22 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?



I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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March 11th, 2023 at 1:52:42 PM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?


I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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How about for Must-hits? ie: Thunder Cash

$50/spin (10lines x $5 per line) has higher RTP than $10/spin (10lines x $1 per line)?
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March 11th, 2023 at 5:08:20 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: 100xOdds

any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?



I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.

edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
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March 23rd, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM permalink
Here is my link page on Buffalo Link. I welcome all comments.
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March 24th, 2023 at 12:29:55 AM permalink
Buffalo is the plural I have always heard, although Merriam-Webster also list Buffaloes for a plural.

Under #5: Eagle is misspelled as eager. I think “rain deer” should be “elk” or else spelled “reindeer.”

Under #6, ampersand code for long dash needs to be fixed between Grand and Progressive.
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March 29th, 2023 at 11:07:22 AM permalink
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Here is my link page on Buffalo Link. I welcome all comments.
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Deactivate my account thanks
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March 29th, 2023 at 11:07:58 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

Quote: 100xOdds

any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?



I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.

edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
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March 29th, 2023 at 11:15:10 AM permalink
Quote: Seedvalue

Quote: Dieter

Quote: DRich

Quote: 100xOdds

any other slots where the RTP increases the higher your bet at the same denom?

And is that settable by the casino?
Or hardwired by the manufacturer?



I would assume many do that as some of them I worked on would do that. I don't remember seeing a game configurable by bet amount for the same game. Generally the casino just selects the percentage they want out of the available ones offered by the manufacturer
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I believe some of the older "buy-a-pay" machines enabled the second column of the payglass only at max bet.

edit: I may have had my wires crossed and thought I was in a different thread. Sorry.
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Deactivate ban get rid of my account thanks
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As the mods have already explained, deactivation is not an option available to you.

It appears that you are requesting a ban. If I recall correctly, bans by request can be rescinded after a minimum of thirty (30) days by way of contacting Wizard directly. I believe that can be done via the contact form at the bottom of any page.

I'm not an Administrator, but I do have the technical capacity to ban you as a holdover from the fact that it is inseparable from my ability to edit articles...which I do need to be able to do.

You are also requesting a ban and there is the potential that you will decide to spam this request until someone does so. For those reasons, I suppose it would not hurt anything for me to go ahead and ban you, so I will do that.
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Sorry to see you go :(
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Deactivate my account thanks
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As Mission has said, if you wish to no longer participate, you can suspend yourself. I interpret your post as requesting that.

A self-suspension can be made for:

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C. Permanent.

If no option is selected, the indefinite suspension is the deafult.

I'm sorry to see you go. You were a good contributor. You're welcome back anytime, after the 30 days.

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May 9th, 2023 at 9:08:14 PM permalink
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We haven't had a new vulturable slot machine thread in a while. The next one I'd like to look at is Buffalo Link.

eg]

The gist of this one is every time the player gets a Buffalo head (as opposed to the whole body) it is banked in a meter. This meter resets at 100 after a bonus is played. If the meter reaches 1,800, then a bonus is automatically played. Obviously, if the game is left close enough to 1,800 then the odds with the player's advantage, with a bonus ripe and ready to hit.

eg]

My secret source on this gives the following Play Points, according to the credits bet:

100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300

As always, please take such Play Points with a grain of salt. I welcome discussion on where you think they should be.

I am working on a page at WoO on Buffalo Link. So far, it just has pictures of the rules screens and the Play Points. I plan to put the rules in my own writing shortly.

The question for the poll is do you play Buffalo Link and what are your thoughts? Multiple votes allowed.

p.s. I should have asked in the poll about what is the plural of Buffalo. I especially welcome Mission's take on that.
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What about 2500 credits? Been seeing that denomination all over
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May 12th, 2023 at 3:11:24 PM permalink
$10/spin

So I took it a little early than the recommended 1300.
Mistake.
And when I finally got the buffalo link, it was the minimum $10/$20 per buffalo :(
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May 15th, 2023 at 5:51:55 AM permalink
Sure beats the 8 free games that add up to nothing sometimes
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May 15th, 2023 at 5:54:02 AM permalink
Btw I did learn something interesting. Caesars properties caps the grand at 20k. The Borgata let’s it go beyond 20k
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^ If a progressive is capped, the amount it would have accumulated over cap is added to the next progressive. The progressive increase for each dollar bet is not kept by the casino.
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May 15th, 2023 at 8:08:20 PM permalink
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^ If a progressive is capped, the amount it would have accumulated over cap is added to the next progressive. The progressive increase for each dollar bet is not kept by the casino.
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Ahh I didn’t know that. I mean for Buffalo Link you’ll play it at the good numbers anyway but I’m not sure how I feel about adding it to the next jackpot. Btw I’m still curious about the 25 dollar Buffalo number. I’m assuming 1225 or 1250?
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September 20th, 2023 at 10:17:59 PM permalink
I’m curious what the RTP assumptions are behind these entry points? Is a certain threshold % of EV included (these aren’t break even numbers, correct?)? My local shops have Buff Links that range from 91-93% RTP based on bet size.

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December 3rd, 2023 at 3:56:37 PM permalink
Hey wizard, I'm completely new to this so I was wondering about a different post you had on wizard of odds.

You said the grand progressive maximum was 20k. How did you find this information? Is it something anyone can look up, or do you just have really good connections?

Also, what is the best way to find the RTP?
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I don't think your numbers make much sense. From what I understand of how the game works, the increased RTP of higher credit bets comes from just one source: Your increased probability to collect the grand jackpot. What does this mean exactly and why does it increase the expected return? Well, the way that the game actually awards the grand jackpot to the player is when the player fills the entire screen with 20 panels. The probability that the screen is filled with 20 panels is increased when you increase the bet amount. More specifically, there are two panels that are abnormally rare; one of the panels I call "uncommon", and the other I call "rare". The rare panel almost never triggers, and once you get it and the "uncommon" panel, you have what I call a "fair shot" at winning the grand; that is, every panel remaining has the same chance of triggering as every other normal panel that typically hits in a hold-and-spin feature.

Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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January 12th, 2024 at 4:16:43 AM permalink
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I don't think your numbers make much sense. From what I understand of how the game works, the increased RTP of higher credit bets comes from just one source: Your increased probability to collect the grand jackpot. What does this mean exactly and why does it increase the expected return? Well, the way that the game actually awards the grand jackpot to the player is when the player fills the entire screen with 20 panels. The probability that the screen is filled with 20 panels is increased when you increase the bet amount. More specifically, there are two panels that are abnormally rare; one of the panels I call "uncommon", and the other I call "rare". The rare panel almost never triggers, and once you get it and the "uncommon" panel, you have what I call a "fair shot" at winning the grand; that is, every panel remaining has the same chance of triggering as every other normal panel that typically hits in a hold-and-spin feature.

Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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Close but not quite. For all Aristocrat hold and spin features for their main set of games (Lightning Link, Dragon Link, Dollar Storm, Buffalo Link etc) you are assigned a set of reels when you get a hold and spin feature. The goal is to hit an orb on each reel. But one reel is different from the others. I call them easy reels and then the hard reel. The easy reels for Lightning Link, I have determined to be 9 orbs on a reel of 78. The one hard reel, though, as you indicate, is a reel with one orb on it. The size of the reel is based on bet size, reset amount of the grand jackpot and the amount of each dollar that is allocated to the reset amount of the grand jackpot. It can literally be 10s of thousands of stops big. Most people think that when they get to just one orb left that all of a sudden the window is blank and you don't see orbs scrolling by as the reel is spinning. They think they have no chance to win. They do.. it's just super rare because they've got that hard reel left. But that hard reel is there all the time. If you watch a H&S feature you will see that blank reel right from the start. And it's there every spin until you hit it. Aristocrat is a little tricky in that they move the reels around between spins, so you might see that hard reel in a different spot each spin.
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January 12th, 2024 at 8:02:59 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

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I don't think your numbers make much sense. From what I understand of how the game works, the increased RTP of higher credit bets comes from just one source: Your increased probability to collect the grand jackpot. What does this mean exactly and why does it increase the expected return? Well, the way that the game actually awards the grand jackpot to the player is when the player fills the entire screen with 20 panels. The probability that the screen is filled with 20 panels is increased when you increase the bet amount. More specifically, there are two panels that are abnormally rare; one of the panels I call "uncommon", and the other I call "rare". The rare panel almost never triggers, and once you get it and the "uncommon" panel, you have what I call a "fair shot" at winning the grand; that is, every panel remaining has the same chance of triggering as every other normal panel that typically hits in a hold-and-spin feature.

Specifically the grand triggering for the player does not actually increase your RTP, since the probability to get it is increasing linearly with the size of your bet. However, since you're more likely to collect these "rare" and "uncommon" panels, and since the panels necessarily add at least 1 unit of value (and the EV of a panel is in fact more than 1 unit), you gain a tiny bit more return. However, it's nothing major, and the difference between the bets is minuscule. Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations. When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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Close but not quite. For all Aristocrat hold and spin features for their main set of games (Lightning Link, Dragon Link, Dollar Storm, Buffalo Link etc) you are assigned a set of reels when you get a hold and spin feature. The goal is to hit an orb on each reel. But one reel is different from the others. I call them easy reels and then the hard reel. The easy reels for Lightning Link, I have determined to be 9 orbs on a reel of 78. The one hard reel, though, as you indicate, is a reel with one orb on it. The size of the reel is based on bet size, reset amount of the grand jackpot and the amount of each dollar that is allocated to the reset amount of the grand jackpot. It can literally be 10s of thousands of stops big. Most people think that when they get to just one orb left that all of a sudden the window is blank and you don't see orbs scrolling by as the reel is spinning. They think they have no chance to win. They do.. it's just super rare because they've got that hard reel left. But that hard reel is there all the time. If you watch a H&S feature you will see that blank reel right from the start. And it's there every spin until you hit it. Aristocrat is a little tricky in that they move the reels around between spins, so you might see that hard reel in a different spot each spin.
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I am almost positive there are two hard reels, with one being substantially harder than the other. The number of times I have been playing various Aristocrat games with hold-and-spin features and seen very clearly that two spots have basically nothing "spinning by" like the other reels is innumerable, however one of those two spots actually hits pretty often.
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January 12th, 2024 at 9:16:07 AM permalink
I assure you there is only one hard reel. I've recorded the results to close to 6000 H&S on Sahara Gold.
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January 12th, 2024 at 11:37:38 AM permalink
There's now a Lightning Buffalo Link:


It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.

So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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January 12th, 2024 at 5:53:42 PM permalink
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There's now a Lightning Buffalo Link:


It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.

So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
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Super Grand is won by filling in the hold and spin that is triggered within the free spins bonus.
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January 13th, 2024 at 3:01:51 AM permalink
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There's now a Lightning Buffalo Link:


It has a Super Grand Jackpot in addition to the regular Grand.
and Just like the Grand, you have to fill all the slots in the Super Grand to get it.
But I have no idea what the trigger is for giving you a shot at the Super Grand.

So same #s as Wiz's OP on when to play?
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Super Grand is won by filling in the hold and spin that is triggered within the free spins bonus.
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Ahh.. Most of the time it's the Grand during free spins. And once in a while you get the Super Grand but the same long odds of filling the screen.

I wonder if it's like regular Lightning Link where the Super Grand drops at random during the regular game.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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January 13th, 2024 at 7:30:35 AM permalink
No.... you win the Super Grand if you get the H&S feature within the free games feature and then fill up the screen. If you get the H&S on a regular paid game, you "just" win the Grand.
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I play the regular buffalo link at the Harrah’s in SoCal. They only have 12 of them. 2 banks of 6. The grand is capped at 20k. The major typically hits between 600-700 if it goes above, then it typically hits well after 1000 (which is the cap). Is there a particular things or things to look for (or a set of prerequisites), that would give me an advantage when it comes to picking out which machine to play?

What I’ve noticed is that these games tend to flash higher buffalo $$ in the regular spins as you get to 10-15% of your deposited $$. So, for example, if you put 100$ in to start, and you dwindle down to 25$ and lower, the eight Buffalo bodies that you’re trying to collect start showing much higher values. I thought that the game knows you’re about to run out of money without winning much so it starts enticing you to deposit more keep playing.

I typically play 1 cent 3$ or 5$
2 cents $4 or 6$
5 cents. $5
My other question is…, is each bet multiplier within each denom a separate game? Am I better off picking a denomination and a bet multiplier and sticking to it all the way through or am I better off alternating between the bet multipliers?
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February 11th, 2024 at 12:54:15 PM permalink
100 credits = 1450
200 credits = 1400
300 credits = 1375
500 credits = 1350
1,000 credits = 1300

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I don't think your numbers make much sense.

Where you really see a big difference is when you change denominations.
When you increase denomination, the size of the mini and minor relative to the size of the bet increases. That is, on 1c, the mini is $20, or 20x the minimum bet of $1, and the minor is $100, or 100x the minimum bet of $1. On 25c, the mini is $1,000, or 40x the minimum bet of $25, and the minor is $5,000, or 200x the minimum bet of $25. This change actually leads to a substantial difference in return to player, thus leading me to conclude that playing a "lower number" makes sense when you're playing on a higher denomination, but not really when you're playing a higher credit bet.
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So instead of bet size, it's the bet denom.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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February 11th, 2024 at 1:13:00 PM permalink
Ok. What are the indicators that the machine is ready to pop and give you a bonus besides the must pay or must hit by 1800?

Are there any other determining factors in selecting a machine, besides the major being high?

I’ve seen the major at 900 or 1000 and I’ve played and not hit it after 7-800&. and I’ve seen the major at 517 and played iand hit the major after a few spins.
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February 15th, 2024 at 1:28:27 AM permalink
What are some key factors to look for when selecting a macheine to play.
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February 15th, 2024 at 9:06:50 AM permalink
As an AP I wish they’d finally get rid of all of these lightning link and hold and spin clones. For obvious reasons they take away from players playing other games. But as someone who does gamble on occasion with the wife they are awful games. They are ridiculously volatile, aren’t fun at all and provide zero to little entertainment value to the player. Yet casinos are packed with these boring and dumb games because suckers do play them. Thankfully it appears players are getting wise to the hold and spin mechanics and are slowly shifting to other games.
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February 15th, 2024 at 10:14:54 AM permalink
What low volatile game do you recommend? Like double triple diamond? And what denomination is best? I know Max bet. I’ll never play anything less max bet.
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February 15th, 2024 at 6:50:03 PM permalink
Any game that doesn’t have a hold and spin element. Lightning link are the most top heavy machines in the casino. The fact the grand jackpot starts at only 10 grand but you can bet up to $25 a spin means the machine sucks. You have a better chance of hitting the lottery than winning a grand jackpot.
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