Class 2 slot machines are non exploitable?

I live near a group of slots only casinos that are all owned by the same Indian Tribe. It's convenient to stop there on my way back from a card counting trip and hustle some slots to get some extra EV.

The slots here are strange in that they have recognizable advantage machines (like Ocean Magic Grand & Dragon Sphere) that do not contain the persistent state features (wilds that move up or down the screen). Instead after every spin any wilds that were present simply vanish and an entirely new screen appears that may or may not have new wilds on it. Obviously, this cannot be hustled so I naturally never played these. They, however, do have Magic of Nile and Golden Egpyt Grand which have the characteristic features you collect (colored tiles and golden coins, respectively). So I just stuck to these. I've played here like 30+ hours vulturing these games and I'm up several thousand.

Until recently I had no idea that these casinos are Class 2 gaming only, which means none of the machines I vultured are class 3 but instead all are class 2. Does this mean I should never have played these, and I'm up so much by sheer chance??

Thanks in advance for any advice, I'm totally freaking out over this blunder.

Regards,

Dalmatian

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I live near a group of slots only casinos that are all owned by the same Indian Tribe. It's convenient to stop there on my way back from a card counting trip and hustle some slots to get some extra EV.

The slots here are strange in that they have recognizable advantage machines (like Ocean Magic Grand & Dragon Sphere) that do not contain the persistent state features (wilds that move up or down the screen). Instead after every spin any wilds that were present simply vanish and an entirely new screen appears that may or may not have new wilds on it. Obviously, this cannot be hustled so I naturally never played these. They, however, do have Magic of Nile and Golden Egpyt Grand which have the characteristic features you collect (colored tiles and golden coins, respectively). So I just stuck to these. I've played here like 30+ hours vulturing these games and I'm up several thousand.

Until recently I had no idea that these casinos are Class 2 gaming only, which means none of the machines I vultured are class 3 but instead all are class 2. Does this mean I should never have played these, and I'm up so much by sheer chance??

Thanks in advance for any advice, I'm totally freaking out over this blunder.

Regards,

Dalmatian
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It's so obvious what the answer is with Golden Egypt grand. Keep vulturing.

I just confirmed. All these slots are class 2 gaming bingo games. The tip off should have been no other slot hustlers competition and the fact that their ocean magic and dragon sphere wilds disappear after each spin.

What is so confusing to me is how a class 2 slot machine can have "persistent state" features like their Golden Egypt and Magic of Nile games. Since the payout are determined by the bingo system, these accumulated multipliers must be just for show.

Doubled checks and somehow I'm up 1800$ after 26 hours of thinking im vultureing beatable machines.

I feel so used.

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I just confirmed. All these slots are class 2 gaming bingo games. The tip off should have been no other slot hustlers competition and the fact that their ocean magic and dragon sphere wilds disappear after each spin.

What is so confusing to me is how a class 2 slot machine can have "persistent state" features like their Golden Egypt and Magic of Nile games. Since the payout are determined by the bingo system, these accumulated multipliers must be just for show.

Doubled checks and somehow I'm up 1800$ after 26 hours of thinking im vultureing beatable machines.

I feel so used.
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can you take a picture of these slot machines i want to see if they have the "bingo" boards displayed on the machine...

im trying to find a case where the jurisdictions do not require the operators to display them on their machines...

mind if i ask which jurisdiction you are in?

DM me

Yes this place makes it very difficult to see this is a class 2 machine. There is no bingo board and it looks and plays almost 100% as a normal class 3 Magic of Nile or Golden Egypt Grand. The only difference is there is a very small "bingo rules" box on the bottom right corner. It's a little embarrassing to admit but I didn't exactly know the difference between class 2 and 3 and thought if a machine is beatable its beatable every location it is installed (at least for vulture plays).

Yes I have pictures and will disclose the location. Private message me and I can send you pics on discord or something.

Thanks

Damatian, look at my post history for similar discussion in the past.

FWIW. I have recently come across a bingo-machine that is also AP'able. I'm still scratching my head on that one. Feel free to message privately if you want to discuss more.

In terms of bingo or not.. What I have found is that for machines that are participating in bingo, they have a very obvious characteristic that they are synchronized.

1. Find 2 machines next to each other (playing the same game)
2. If they show a bingo board, change the board so they share some number
3. play a couple of spins where you spin both machines at roughly the same time

You will observe:
1. even if you don't press play at exactly the same time, the machine will actually stop they wheel in more or less perfect synchronization - because each machine is waiting for the result of the same bingo drawing.
2. For machines that show the bingo board and/or numbers drawn, you can see both machines shared the same drawing.

I imagine the above (observation 1) would help in identifying games that are bingo based even if they are not obviously displaying this.

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Yes this place makes it very difficult to see this is a class 2 machine. There is no bingo board and it looks and plays almost 100% as a normal class 3 Magic of Nile or Golden Egypt Grand.
The only difference is there is a very small "bingo rules" box on the bottom right corner.
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Pic of this 'bingo rules' box?

Class 2 machines are AP'able and vulturable.

I don't know if there are two types of class 2? A Bingo version? That might make a difference.

But class 2 are definitely vulturable.