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March 8th, 2022 at 8:07:26 PM permalink
Let's talk about another slot machine that is sometimes positive EV -- Golden Jungle Grand.

The thrust of this one is that every tenth spin the game the game will usually have some all wild reels. The way it works is if the player gets a Golden Buddha symbol at any time, it will illuminate a marker above the reel it appeared on, up to two of them per reel. If on the tenth spin in a cycle a reel has two Golden Buddha markers, then that reel will be entirely wild.

We could probably use an example about now, so I made this video just for you!


Direct: https://youtu.be/my2Jeg_w_JU

Note the "game" screen in the lower right, how it counts up from 1 to 10. This represents where in the cycle the last spin was. So, it's best when the counter is at 9, because the next spin will invoke the wild reels feature, said conditions above being met.

Note, at the 0:51 point, I'm on the 10th spin in a cycle and accumulated two Golden Buddhas in the previous spins on reel 1.

The big question is when is this game positive EV? It is obviously good to be late in a ten-spin cycle with many reels with two Golden Buddhas, preferably on the left side.

I've only started to think about this game, so welcome all thoughts.

The question for the poll is what do you think of adding this game to your bag of AP tricks?
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March 8th, 2022 at 8:40:10 PM permalink
A good place to be in the spin cycle is relative. yes, if you're on spin 9, you have the advantage of only needing to invest into one bet to harvest the wild reels. But if a lot of buddha statues have already been collected and you're only on spin 4, even if you have to invest more money to get to spin 10, you have 6 more chances to collect even more buddha statues and get a massive win.

And technically, this game is Golden Jungle GRAND. The original Golden Jungle is also an advantage game but plays completely differently.
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March 9th, 2022 at 6:31:52 AM permalink
Quote: McSweeney

And technically, this game is Golden Jungle GRAND. The original Golden Jungle is also an advantage game but plays completely differently.
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Thank you. I'll change the name of the thread.
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March 9th, 2022 at 3:56:52 PM permalink
I think I'll run some simulations to determine a strategy for this game.
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March 10th, 2022 at 9:29:37 AM permalink
Lacking any friendly input, I reverse engineered this game and put in some various states the game might be left in. So far, I have only looked at situations where the game is left on spin 9. Remember, the spin number if for the last completed game. That means if the game is left in spin 9, the next spin will be eligible for the feature.

I would also like to make a disclaimer that I didn't go to a great deal of effort in my program of this game, so please take anything I say based on my program with a tablespoon of salt.

That said, here is my strategy for when to play when the game is left in spin 9. Play if any of these conditions are true, otherwise don't.

  • Two Buddhas in reel 1, 2, or 3. Example -- 0,2,0,0,0
  • Two Buddhas in reel 4 and a single buddha in at least two of reels 1 to 3. Example -- 1,0,1,2,0
  • One Buddha in reels 1, 2, 3 and 4. Example -- 1,1,1,1,0


I welcome all comments, although I suspect many are just lurking this thread. To them, I would say help our your fellow AP's.
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March 10th, 2022 at 9:42:58 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Lacking any friendly input, I reverse engineered this game and put in some various states the game might be left in. So far, I have only looked at situations where the game is left on spin 9. Remember, the spin number if for the last completed game. That means if the game is left in spin 9, the next spin will be eligible for the feature.

I would also like to make a disclaimer that I didn't go to a great deal of effort in my program of this game, so please take anything I say based on my program with a tablespoon of salt.

That said, here is my strategy for when to play when the game is left in spin 9. Play if any of these conditions are true, otherwise don't.

  • Two Buddhas in reel 1, 2, or 3. Example -- 0,2,0,0,0
  • Two Buddhas in reel 4 and a single buddha in at least two of reels 1 to 3. Example -- 1,0,1,2,0
  • One Buddha in reels 1, 2, 3 and 4. Example -- 1,1,1,1,0


I welcome all comments, although I suspect many are just lurking this thread. To them, I would say help our your fellow AP's.
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Finding a machine on the 9th spin in those states without a butt already parked in the seat is AP fantasy.

You would have as much chance of finding a $10,000 must hit at $9,999!
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March 10th, 2022 at 2:19:58 PM permalink
Moving onto games left in spin 8.

I find the player should play if any other following conditions are true, otherwise don't.

Let:
GB = Golden Buddha.
Full reel = Reel with two GB.

  • First three columns have three or more GB.
  • Full reel in first three reels and either 1+ GB in reel 4 or 2 GB in reel 5.
  • Two reels in first 3 with one GB and either 2 GB in reel 4 and both 1 GB in reel 4 and 2 GB in reel 5.
  • One reel in first 3 with one GB and four GB between reels 4 and 5.


I have not checked the following very carefully, but I think the above conditions will hold up well for any spin number of 8 or less. I think the money vested into the additional spins for less than 8 roughly offsets the chance to earn more GB.

This post took hours to research, by the way. Who else does this for you for free?
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March 10th, 2022 at 2:46:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Moving onto games left in spin 8.

I find the player should play if any other following conditions are true, otherwise don't.

Let:
GB = Golden Buddha.
Full reel = Reel with two GB.

  • First three columns have three or more GB.
  • Full reel in first three reels and either 1+ GB in reel 4 or 2 GB in reel 5.
  • Two reels in first 3 with one GB and either 2 GB in reel 4 and both 1 GB in reel 4 and 2 GB in reel 5.
  • One reel in first 3 with one GB and four GB between reels 4 and 5.


I have not checked the following very carefully, but I think the above conditions will hold up well for any spin number of 8 or less. I think the money vested into the additional spins for less than 8 roughly offsets the chance to earn more GB.

This post took hours to research, by the way. Who else does this for you for free?
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at my casino, noone quits with 2 buddhas on one of the 1st 3 reels.

what more useful info is for: 1 buddha on 2 of the 1st 3 reels
i see that often.

Which spin # is the right time to play, if any?
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March 10th, 2022 at 4:13:33 PM permalink
From what I have observed of the vultures, they don't expect to find those golden opportunities (no pun intended).

They are looking for not so obvious states where the average player doesn't see the likelihood of success to keep playing. They have turned it into a skillset.

For example they may check the fifth spin to see if at least one Buddha is locked on two of the first three reels and take the gamble. Getting to spin ten is at least half the price and they are already halfway to filling the Buddha.

In this manner they do have some losing moments but the winning times outweigh the losers.
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March 11th, 2022 at 6:53:30 AM permalink
Hello Michael

I just signed up for the site, motivated mainly to thank you for your free effort on this analysis.

Hats off for you!

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