88 Fortunes
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For purposes of discussion, may I direct your attention to the bowl of coins at the top center of the following image.
This bowl does not always have the same number of coins. Whenever the player gets a wild, some coins get added to it. As they accumulate, you can see more coins in the bowl and the lid rises.
Next, note the progressive jackpots on the upper screen in the following image.
The player may play 8, 18, 38, 68, or 88 credits. This is a 243 ways to win game, regardless of the bet size. The main incentive to betting more is the pay table gets bumped up for certain high paying symbols. However, it also makes you eligible for for the larger jackpots.
Let's get back to the bowl of coins. If the player gets a wild symbol, not only does it add coins to the bowl, but it might trigger the Fu Bat bonus. Note the rules say when a (wild) symbol appears the player MAY be awarded an available jackpot. Next, refer to the following rule screen.
If the player bets 18 credit, he can't win anything.
If the player bets 38 credits, then I assume he automatically wins the Mini jackpot.
If the player bets 38, 68, or 88 credits, then it goes to a 12 coin game. The screen will show 12 coins. Behind each coin are symbols for the jackpots. The player keeps picking until he gets three of the same kind. I assume with a 38 coin bet, there are symbols for the Mini and Minor only. With 68 credits, the Mini, Minor, and Major. With 88 credits, all of them.
I was just playing this morning, at 38 credits, and hit the bonus. The only symbols I saw were Mini and Minor, winning the Mini.
At this point, please correct anything I have in error.
My main question is about the relationship between the coin bowl and probability of triggering the Fu Bat bonus. My best guess is the more the coins, the greater the chance. However, it could be that it hits automatically when there are so-many coins in the bowl and never hits until then. What do the players of 88 Fortunes know?
As mentioned before, there are lots of similar looking Asian baby games and they all seem to have this bowl of coins feature, so I'm interested in your answer even if not based exactly on this game.
That's enough for now. Thank you.
The question for the poll is do you play 88 Fortunes?
FYI: I generally don’t play slots. And that’s why I also voted No.
Playing max bet and picking any order, either the same choices or randomizing it, you win the smallest prize 90% of the time, the second highest maybe 6% of the time, the next to largest I have won so rarely it's difficult to quantify and the largest I have never won.
Imo, the outcome of your choices are predetermined the moment you spin the button and a bonus round is determined. It's all for show.
The same goes for the coins collection in the center. I have seen it hit quickly and also seen a completely full cup refuse to hit.
Imo, it's just eye candy animation to think you have a chance. However it hits like any other win on the slot.
Quote: WizardThe question for the poll is do you play 88 Fortunes?
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No, I prefer other bad plays.
Quote:If the player bets 38, 68, or 88 credits, then it goes to a 12 coin game. The screen will show 12 coins. Behind each coin are symbols for the jackpots. The player keeps picking until he gets three of the same kind. I assume with a 38 coin bet, there are symbols for the Mini and Minor only. With 68 credits, the Mini, Minor, and Major. With 88 credits, all of them.
I would describe it as a match 3 pick; what the prize symbols are hiding behind (doors, coins, balloons, walnut shells, spooky ghosts, pumpkins, pearls, ears of corn...) would seem to make little difference.
Anecdotal wisdom suggests it may be impossible to pick a third symbol that does not match the award prize determined by the game initiating reel spin, but have fun poking at the screen and cheering.
I was thinking after I wrote the post that the 12 coin bonus thing must be gaffed. If the player bet the full 88 coins, he should hit the Grand progresive1/4 of the time. The size of the jackpot to the bet is just too high.
Besides the 18 to 88 credits bet, the player also has a choice of denomination. Do the jackpots change when the player changes the denomination? If not, I assume the player plays the Fut Bat bonus more often with a larger denom. Comments?
As far as denomination, if you have the following as reset points (not saying they are):
1 cent: 88 coins = 88 cents
Mini: $10.00 (1,000 coins)
Minor: $50.00 (5,000 coins)
Major: $500.00 (50,000 coins)
Grand: $10,000.00 (1 million coins)
5 cent: 88 coins = $4.40
Mini: $50
Minor: $250
Major: $2,500
Grand: $50,000
25 cent: 88 coins = $22.00
Mini: $250
Minor: $1250
Major: $12,500
Grand: $250,000
I can't imagine this would go higher to the $1 denomination in the high limit room with a Grand Jackpot of $1 million.
What are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
Quote: ChumpChangeWhat are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
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That question gets an option 9 vote.
Quote: ChumpChangeAs far as denomination, if you have the following as reset points (not saying they are):
1 cent: 88 coins = 88 cents
Mini: $10.00 (1,000 coins)
Minor: $50.00 (5,000 coins)
Major: $500.00 (50,000 coins)
Grand: $10,000.00 (1 million coins)
5 cent: 88 coins = $4.40
Mini: $50
Minor: $250
Major: $2,500
Grand: $50,000
25 cent: 88 coins = $22.00
Mini: $250
Minor: $1250
Major: $12,500
Grand: $250,000
I can't imagine this would go higher to the $1 denomination in the high limit room with a Grand Jackpot of $1 million.
What are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
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I can say the reset for the Mini at the $0.01 denom is $10.
I think the jackpots are the same at all denominations. The probability of playing the Fu Bat bonus goes up as you increase in denomination, making it fair.
I plan to return to the game on Tuesday for more investigation.
For purposes of discussion, may I direct your attention to the bowl of coins at the top center
Who hacked the Wiz's acct? :)
That being said, I do play Rakin Bacon a good bit and I do know when I see a Progressive that is abnormally higher than average. I calculate the progressive every time I walk by a Rakin Bacon machine in any casino and know what the average progressives usually are. When I see one abnormally higher than average, I usually give it a few bucks. Seems to work for me.
I may be wrong though.
On another topic, what is this symbol called:
Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.
Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.
There has got to be a term in English for these things.
Quote: WizardI think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.
On another topic, what is this symbol called:
Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ignot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ignot, it comes back as a metallic bar.
Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.
There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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I think English speaking slot players should learn this new word. I will start calling each of them a "sycee," and pronounce it like "sigh see." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycee.
By the way, I always liked the sound of "ingot." It has a nice ring to it. (The first syllable rhymes with "ring.")
Quote: ChesterDogBy the way, I always liked the sound of "ingot." It has a nice ring to it. (The first syllable rhymes with "ring.")
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I incorrectly thought they were called an ignot. Ingot does sound much nicer.
Quote: WizardI think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.
On another topic, what is this symbol called:
Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.
Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.
There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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INGot not iGNot. I agree ignot is ugly but ingot has a nice sound to it.
In Goldfinger, the gold bar given to Bond to use as bait is referred to as an ingot I am pretty certain.
A complete idiot, a failure of a human being. Someone who should be kept in a very dark, deep hole FOREVER.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ignot
Oh, and I lost on Jeopardy, baby. - Weird Al
Quote: darkozINGot not iGNot. I agree ignot is ugly but ingot has a nice sound to it.link to original post
I corrected the original post within about ten minutes. Maybe I'm an ignot for the mistake, but let's move on, please.
Quote: heatmapsadly - i have some kind of lazy dyslexia as i read ingot to begin with and even when i saw the other verison i still read ingot
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I think it's normal to autocorrect for such mistakes.
Where is the error in this sentence:
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The quick brown fox jumps over the
the lazy dog.
I saw another game that had 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent, and 10 cent denominations. When I clicked through them the Mini & Minor Jackpots were multiplied by the change in denomination but the Major & the Grand Jackpots were not.
1 cent:
Mini: $10.00
Minor: $50.00
2 cents:
Mini: $20.00
Minor: $100.00
5 cents:
Mini: $50.00
Minor: $250.00
10 cents:
Mini: $100.00
Minor: $500.00
Quote: Wizard<snip>Where is the error in this sentence:
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The quick brown fox jumps over the
the lazy dog.
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Wiz,
The error is the double "the".
Dog Hand
Quote: DogHandWiz,
The error is the double "the".
Dog Hand
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Correct. This probably works better when written out so that the first line extends the width of the page.
Quote: WizardI think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.
On another topic, what is this symbol called:
Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.
Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.
There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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Those are three ingots stacked. A couple of other slots have them but they are generally the single variety of them. 50 Dragons bonus symbol is a single ingot which is how I learned what an ingot is. There is another slot where the ingot is the bonus symbol and the emperor is the wild. I forgot the name of that slot however.
Quote: ChumpChangeI saw another game that had 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent, and 10 cent denominations. When I clicked through them the Mini & Minor Jackpots were multiplied by the change in denomination but the Major & the Grand Jackpots were not.
1 cent:
Mini: $10.00
Minor: $50.00
2 cents:
Mini: $20.00
Minor: $100.00
5 cents:
Mini: $50.00
Minor: $250.00
10 cents:
Mini: $100.00
Minor: $500.00
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I just returned from the Suncoast to see if this is true of 88 Fortunes. I can categorically state that it's not true for that game. The jackpots are the same regardless of how much you bet.
For example, let's say the Major jackpot is over $1,000.00, and let's say that this is much bigger than it usually is (I don't actually know if that's true but let's just say that it is for the purposes of this hypothetical scenario). Let's also assume that the Grand jackpot was recently hit and therefore it's much smaller than it usually is. Would it be the smart play to only bet 4 gold symbols in order to keep costs down and try to trip that inflated Major? Or is it always unwise to concede the chance of winning the Grand?
Quote: McSweeneyYeah, I used to ignore 88 Fortunes and Dancing Drums at my casino because I am only interested in advantage machines. But lately I've started taking notes as to the jackpot amounts of these games, and I am trying to create a "highest I've ever seen the Grand/Major/etc. jackpot" record to get a feel for what is a much greater jackpot than usual to inform my decision to perhaps go after one.
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Exactly what I do on Rakin Bacon. There is an opportunity there for sure!
Please note there are Gongs on all five reels and the player also wins a fixed pay according to the number he gets from 3 to 5.
How do you interpret that as the requirement to play the free games bonus.
1. There must be gongs on reels 1, 2, and 3.
2. The gongs must be on consecutive reels (for example, reels 2, 3 and 4 would count, but reels 1, 3, and 4 would not).
Thank you.
Quote: WizardThe rule screens on 88 Fortunes say, "10 Free Games are triggered by 3 or more (gong symbols) left to right."
Please note there are Gongs on all five reels and the player also wins a fixed pay according to the number he gets from 3 to 5.
How do you interpret that as the requirement to play the free games bonus.
1. There must be gongs on reels 1, 2, and 3.
2. The gongs must be on consecutive reels (for example, reels 2, 3 and 4 would count, but reels 1, 3, and 4 would not).
Thank you.
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I have seen similar rules page language used to describe bonus feature initiations similar to scenario 1.
The gong sound did not happen with a no-gong reel 1 when a gong appeared in a later reel, which would seem to confirm.
$16.50 - $10 = $6.50
$6.50/$0.02 = 325 spins before hitting
325 spins before hitting x $0.20 = $65.00
$65 + $10 = $75
Quote: mwalz9Quote: McSweeneyYeah, I used to ignore 88 Fortunes and Dancing Drums at my casino because I am only interested in advantage machines. But lately I've started taking notes as to the jackpot amounts of these games, and I am trying to create a "highest I've ever seen the Grand/Major/etc. jackpot" record to get a feel for what is a much greater jackpot than usual to inform my decision to perhaps go after one.
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Exactly what I do on Rakin Bacon. There is an opportunity there for sure!
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But it’s not a real opportunity, right? Because these machines aren’t “due.”
Enjoy!
Direct: https://youtu.be/nm33IleP3dY
Quote: mwalz9I think any 3 reels work. Even 1 3 and 5 would work. May be wrong.
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You are wrong. On 88 fortunes, you have to line the gong symbols up from left to right starting at reel 1.
Ie: You get the bonus for getting gongs on Reels 1, 2 and 3 or Reels, 1, 2, 3 and 4 or Reels 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Quote: WizardI just put together a video on 88 Fortunes. I doubt this will interest any advantage players, it's more of a basic tutorial how the game works. I welcome all comments and corrections.
Enjoy!
Vid is private.
Quote: McSweeneyVid is private.
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Sorry. I just unhid it.
Do you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?Quote: WizardSorry. I just unhid it.
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What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet
Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
Quote: 100xOddsDo you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?
I'm afraid not.
Quote:What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet
Yes, it does.
Quote:Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
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That's a good question. The rules tell us that the player must bet 88 credits to qualify for the major. However, a credit can be anything from $.01 to $.10 on most machines.
So, the player betting 88 credits of $0.01, or $0.88 in total would quality for the Major, but a player betting 18 credits at $0.10 a credit, or $1.80 would not. That may not sound fair. However, I'm sure it's balanced out by the player betting $1.80 getting into the bonus round much more often than $0.88. More than 2.0455 times as often. I am pretty sure it balances out in the end in terms of return.
It would be nice to see a par sheet to know exactly how they do it. Actually, a par sheet may not say.
