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October 24th, 2021 at 10:56:04 AM permalink
It seems to me that 88 Fortunes may be a vulturable slot machine. You see it and other similar Asian baby slot machines all over the place in Vegas.

For purposes of discussion, may I direct your attention to the bowl of coins at the top center of the following image.



This bowl does not always have the same number of coins. Whenever the player gets a wild, some coins get added to it. As they accumulate, you can see more coins in the bowl and the lid rises.

Next, note the progressive jackpots on the upper screen in the following image.



The player may play 8, 18, 38, 68, or 88 credits. This is a 243 ways to win game, regardless of the bet size. The main incentive to betting more is the pay table gets bumped up for certain high paying symbols. However, it also makes you eligible for for the larger jackpots.

Let's get back to the bowl of coins. If the player gets a wild symbol, not only does it add coins to the bowl, but it might trigger the Fu Bat bonus. Note the rules say when a (wild) symbol appears the player MAY be awarded an available jackpot. Next, refer to the following rule screen.



If the player bets 18 credit, he can't win anything.

If the player bets 38 credits, then I assume he automatically wins the Mini jackpot.

If the player bets 38, 68, or 88 credits, then it goes to a 12 coin game. The screen will show 12 coins. Behind each coin are symbols for the jackpots. The player keeps picking until he gets three of the same kind. I assume with a 38 coin bet, there are symbols for the Mini and Minor only. With 68 credits, the Mini, Minor, and Major. With 88 credits, all of them.

I was just playing this morning, at 38 credits, and hit the bonus. The only symbols I saw were Mini and Minor, winning the Mini.

At this point, please correct anything I have in error.

My main question is about the relationship between the coin bowl and probability of triggering the Fu Bat bonus. My best guess is the more the coins, the greater the chance. However, it could be that it hits automatically when there are so-many coins in the bowl and never hits until then. What do the players of 88 Fortunes know?

As mentioned before, there are lots of similar looking Asian baby games and they all seem to have this bowl of coins feature, so I'm interested in your answer even if not based exactly on this game.

That's enough for now. Thank you.

The question for the poll is do you play 88 Fortunes?
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:02:09 AM permalink
From your description, if you don't care for winning the Grand Prize, you can bet 68 coins and try for a Major Top Prize.
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:05:57 AM permalink
I voted for you to not ruin it. But if you did let the cat out of the bag, A) too late, it may already be ruined, and B) I still wouldn’t play it.

FYI: I generally don’t play slots. And that’s why I also voted No.
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:21:48 AM permalink
My experience with these Asian games is they are not vulturable.

Playing max bet and picking any order, either the same choices or randomizing it, you win the smallest prize 90% of the time, the second highest maybe 6% of the time, the next to largest I have won so rarely it's difficult to quantify and the largest I have never won.

Imo, the outcome of your choices are predetermined the moment you spin the button and a bonus round is determined. It's all for show.

The same goes for the coins collection in the center. I have seen it hit quickly and also seen a completely full cup refuse to hit.

Imo, it's just eye candy animation to think you have a chance. However it hits like any other win on the slot.
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:28:25 AM permalink
On some of the asian machines I have seen with the firecrackers that pop when you hit the designated symbol, there is a disclaimer that states there is no relation to the bonus being triggered and the number of fireworks left. I seem to recall a similar disclaimer on one of the machines that have the coin bowls on it regarding there being no relation to the number of coins in the bowl to when the bonus is triggered.
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:38:00 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The question for the poll is do you play 88 Fortunes?
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No, I prefer other bad plays.

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If the player bets 38, 68, or 88 credits, then it goes to a 12 coin game. The screen will show 12 coins. Behind each coin are symbols for the jackpots. The player keeps picking until he gets three of the same kind. I assume with a 38 coin bet, there are symbols for the Mini and Minor only. With 68 credits, the Mini, Minor, and Major. With 88 credits, all of them.



I would describe it as a match 3 pick; what the prize symbols are hiding behind (doors, coins, balloons, walnut shells, spooky ghosts, pumpkins, pearls, ears of corn...) would seem to make little difference.
Anecdotal wisdom suggests it may be impossible to pick a third symbol that does not match the award prize determined by the game initiating reel spin, but have fun poking at the screen and cheering.
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October 24th, 2021 at 11:38:47 AM permalink
Maybe count how many losing spins in a row you can get. You'll feel bad at 20 in a row, you'll feel appalled at 50 losing spins, and you'll be screaming about a backroom non-payout switch at 100 losing spins in a row. If you lose 95 out of 100 spins, may you at least hit 2 Minor Jackpots.
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October 24th, 2021 at 12:39:00 PM permalink
The comments have been great so far, thank you!

I was thinking after I wrote the post that the 12 coin bonus thing must be gaffed. If the player bet the full 88 coins, he should hit the Grand progresive1/4 of the time. The size of the jackpot to the bet is just too high.

Besides the 18 to 88 credits bet, the player also has a choice of denomination. Do the jackpots change when the player changes the denomination? If not, I assume the player plays the Fut Bat bonus more often with a larger denom. Comments?
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October 24th, 2021 at 6:36:15 PM permalink
I think you've got to figure out what the jackpot reset values are and how much they increase when you play a bank of these machines alone. You could watch other people play to get the reset value, but play in the middle of the night when it's deserted to figure out how your bets affect raising the jackpot amounts. If you play 18 coins, does only the Mini Jackpot advance and not the others? If you play 38 coins, does only the Mini & Minor Jackpot advance, and does it do so at half the rate of playing 18 coins since you're splitting you're coin-in on two jackpots, or does the increase in the coin-in allow for both jackpots to advance normally? If you play 68 coins, does the extra 30 coins get eaten up by the Major Jackpot advancement? If you play 88 coins, does the Grand Prize jackpot advance more slowly than the Major Jackpot?

As far as denomination, if you have the following as reset points (not saying they are):
1 cent: 88 coins = 88 cents
Mini: $10.00 (1,000 coins)
Minor: $50.00 (5,000 coins)
Major: $500.00 (50,000 coins)
Grand: $10,000.00 (1 million coins)

5 cent: 88 coins = $4.40
Mini: $50
Minor: $250
Major: $2,500
Grand: $50,000

25 cent: 88 coins = $22.00
Mini: $250
Minor: $1250
Major: $12,500
Grand: $250,000

I can't imagine this would go higher to the $1 denomination in the high limit room with a Grand Jackpot of $1 million.

What are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
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October 24th, 2021 at 7:41:42 PM permalink
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What are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
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That question gets an option 9 vote.
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October 24th, 2021 at 7:59:28 PM permalink
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As far as denomination, if you have the following as reset points (not saying they are):
1 cent: 88 coins = 88 cents
Mini: $10.00 (1,000 coins)
Minor: $50.00 (5,000 coins)
Major: $500.00 (50,000 coins)
Grand: $10,000.00 (1 million coins)

5 cent: 88 coins = $4.40
Mini: $50
Minor: $250
Major: $2,500
Grand: $50,000

25 cent: 88 coins = $22.00
Mini: $250
Minor: $1250
Major: $12,500
Grand: $250,000

I can't imagine this would go higher to the $1 denomination in the high limit room with a Grand Jackpot of $1 million.

What are the break-even points on jackpots that you would play?
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I can say the reset for the Mini at the $0.01 denom is $10.

I think the jackpots are the same at all denominations. The probability of playing the Fu Bat bonus goes up as you increase in denomination, making it fair.

I plan to return to the game on Tuesday for more investigation.
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October 25th, 2021 at 5:54:10 AM permalink
It seems to me that 88 Fortunes may be a vulturable slot machine.
For purposes of discussion, may I direct your attention to the bowl of coins at the top center


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October 25th, 2021 at 8:30:19 AM permalink
Later versions of these games specifically say in the instructions that the amount of coins in the bowl bear no indication as to the likelihood of a hit.
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October 25th, 2021 at 10:24:07 AM permalink
My guess is it's similar to the Rakin Bacon game in which the pig gets larger and larger as it fills with coins and eventually busts triggering a progressive. The thing is I have seen the pig bust while it's small and I have seen the pig be big for many, many spins and never bust. I think the bowl of coins and the pig is simply a visual with no relation to the actual pay schedule.

That being said, I do play Rakin Bacon a good bit and I do know when I see a Progressive that is abnormally higher than average. I calculate the progressive every time I walk by a Rakin Bacon machine in any casino and know what the average progressives usually are. When I see one abnormally higher than average, I usually give it a few bucks. Seems to work for me.

I may be wrong though.
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October 25th, 2021 at 6:45:12 PM permalink
I think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.

On another topic, what is this symbol called:



Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.

Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.

There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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October 25th, 2021 at 7:10:44 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.

On another topic, what is this symbol called:



Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ignot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ignot, it comes back as a metallic bar.

Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.

There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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I think English speaking slot players should learn this new word. I will start calling each of them a "sycee," and pronounce it like "sigh see." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycee.

By the way, I always liked the sound of "ingot." It has a nice ring to it. (The first syllable rhymes with "ring.")
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October 25th, 2021 at 7:24:46 PM permalink
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By the way, I always liked the sound of "ingot." It has a nice ring to it. (The first syllable rhymes with "ring.")
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I incorrectly thought they were called an ignot. Ingot does sound much nicer.
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October 25th, 2021 at 7:26:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.

On another topic, what is this symbol called:



Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.

Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.

There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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INGot not iGNot. I agree ignot is ugly but ingot has a nice sound to it.

In Goldfinger, the gold bar given to Bond to use as bait is referred to as an ingot I am pretty certain.
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October 25th, 2021 at 7:30:41 PM permalink
ignot
A complete idiot, a failure of a human being. Someone who should be kept in a very dark, deep hole FOREVER.
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October 25th, 2021 at 7:56:04 PM permalink
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INGot not iGNot. I agree ignot is ugly but ingot has a nice sound to it.link to original post



I corrected the original post within about ten minutes. Maybe I'm an ignot for the mistake, but let's move on, please.
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October 25th, 2021 at 8:14:29 PM permalink
sadly - i have some kind of lazy dyslexia as i read ingot to begin with and even when i saw the other verison i still read ingot
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October 25th, 2021 at 9:13:38 PM permalink
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sadly - i have some kind of lazy dyslexia as i read ingot to begin with and even when i saw the other verison i still read ingot
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I think it's normal to autocorrect for such mistakes.

Where is the error in this sentence:

Quote:


The quick brown fox jumps over the
the lazy dog.

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October 26th, 2021 at 1:12:42 AM permalink
You can bet 1X, 2X, 3X, 6X or 10X the 88 coins max and it will multiply your payouts by that much. If you have a 1,000 coin payout based on symbols, and 10X that, you should get a 10,000 coin payout. I could not find out if the progressives are on a multiplier too. If they are not, the lower progressive jackpots will be kind of irrelevant compared to your other payouts. I saw a guy lose $200 betting $8.80 a spin on a penny machine with hardly a win, so beware if you're on a small budget.

I saw another game that had 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent, and 10 cent denominations. When I clicked through them the Mini & Minor Jackpots were multiplied by the change in denomination but the Major & the Grand Jackpots were not.
1 cent:
Mini: $10.00
Minor: $50.00

2 cents:
Mini: $20.00
Minor: $100.00

5 cents:
Mini: $50.00
Minor: $250.00

10 cents:
Mini: $100.00
Minor: $500.00
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October 26th, 2021 at 2:48:00 AM permalink
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<snip>Where is the error in this sentence:

Quote:


The quick brown fox jumps over the
the lazy dog.


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Wiz,

The error is the double "the".

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October 26th, 2021 at 5:30:42 AM permalink
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Wiz,

The error is the double "the".

Dog Hand
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Correct. This probably works better when written out so that the first line extends the width of the page.
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October 26th, 2021 at 8:41:15 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I think the preponderance of the evidence suggests the number of coins in the bowl is irrelevant.

On another topic, what is this symbol called:



Mrs. Wizard says that gold bars are shaped like this in China. The image above shows three of them stacked. The Chinese term for them roughly translates to "gold money treasure." If you dig around the Internet, they seem to get translated as an "ingot." That is such an ugly sounding word. If you then search on ingot, it comes back as a metallic bar.

Some sources call them boats, but Mrs. Wizard strongly refutes the idea they are supposed to be boats, although they do look like them a little.

There has got to be a term in English for these things.
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Those are three ingots stacked. A couple of other slots have them but they are generally the single variety of them. 50 Dragons bonus symbol is a single ingot which is how I learned what an ingot is. There is another slot where the ingot is the bonus symbol and the emperor is the wild. I forgot the name of that slot however.
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October 26th, 2021 at 4:49:03 PM permalink
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I saw another game that had 1 cent, 2 cent, 5 cent, and 10 cent denominations. When I clicked through them the Mini & Minor Jackpots were multiplied by the change in denomination but the Major & the Grand Jackpots were not.
1 cent:
Mini: $10.00
Minor: $50.00

2 cents:
Mini: $20.00
Minor: $100.00

5 cents:
Mini: $50.00
Minor: $250.00

10 cents:
Mini: $100.00
Minor: $500.00
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I just returned from the Suncoast to see if this is true of 88 Fortunes. I can categorically state that it's not true for that game. The jackpots are the same regardless of how much you bet.
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October 26th, 2021 at 6:10:19 PM permalink
You need to bet a certain amount of gold symbols in order to become eligible for certain jackpots. So is it a smart play to try and "snipe" jackpots that are much more inflated than they usually are?

For example, let's say the Major jackpot is over $1,000.00, and let's say that this is much bigger than it usually is (I don't actually know if that's true but let's just say that it is for the purposes of this hypothetical scenario). Let's also assume that the Grand jackpot was recently hit and therefore it's much smaller than it usually is. Would it be the smart play to only bet 4 gold symbols in order to keep costs down and try to trip that inflated Major? Or is it always unwise to concede the chance of winning the Grand?
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October 26th, 2021 at 6:21:49 PM permalink
Any progressive game is potentially positive. I have almost new clue when they are big enough with 88 Fortunes. With four different jackpots, I would hazard to say, almost never. However if one were especially high, I would bet only enough to be eligible for that jackpot in the Fu Bat bonus.
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October 26th, 2021 at 6:29:26 PM permalink
Yeah, I used to ignore 88 Fortunes and Dancing Drums at my casino because I am only interested in advantage machines. But lately I've started taking notes as to the jackpot amounts of these games, and I am trying to create a "highest I've ever seen the Grand/Major/etc. jackpot" record to get a feel for what is a much greater jackpot than usual to inform my decision to perhaps go after one.
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October 26th, 2021 at 6:31:46 PM permalink
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Yeah, I used to ignore 88 Fortunes and Dancing Drums at my casino because I am only interested in advantage machines. But lately I've started taking notes as to the jackpot amounts of these games, and I am trying to create a "highest I've ever seen the Grand/Major/etc. jackpot" record to get a feel for what is a much greater jackpot than usual to inform my decision to perhaps go after one.
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Exactly what I do on Rakin Bacon. There is an opportunity there for sure!
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October 26th, 2021 at 6:36:16 PM permalink
The rule screens on 88 Fortunes say, "10 Free Games are triggered by 3 or more (gong symbols) left to right."

Please note there are Gongs on all five reels and the player also wins a fixed pay according to the number he gets from 3 to 5.

How do you interpret that as the requirement to play the free games bonus.

1. There must be gongs on reels 1, 2, and 3.
2. The gongs must be on consecutive reels (for example, reels 2, 3 and 4 would count, but reels 1, 3, and 4 would not).

Thank you.
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October 26th, 2021 at 7:56:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The rule screens on 88 Fortunes say, "10 Free Games are triggered by 3 or more (gong symbols) left to right."

Please note there are Gongs on all five reels and the player also wins a fixed pay according to the number he gets from 3 to 5.

How do you interpret that as the requirement to play the free games bonus.

1. There must be gongs on reels 1, 2, and 3.
2. The gongs must be on consecutive reels (for example, reels 2, 3 and 4 would count, but reels 1, 3, and 4 would not).

Thank you.
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I have seen similar rules page language used to describe bonus feature initiations similar to scenario 1.

The gong sound did not happen with a no-gong reel 1 when a gong appeared in a later reel, which would seem to confirm.
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October 26th, 2021 at 7:57:00 PM permalink
I think any 3 reels work. Even 1 3 and 5 would work. May be wrong.
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October 26th, 2021 at 10:25:48 PM permalink
Just a thought: If the Mini JP goes up 2 cents for every spin when betting 88 coins, but goes up 20 cents for every spin when betting $8.80, will the Mini JP go 10X higher over reset value before getting hit? Say the last JP hit at $16.50 based on previous play from unknown players, would the guy betting 10X run the Mini up to $75 before hitting?
$16.50 - $10 = $6.50
$6.50/$0.02 = 325 spins before hitting
325 spins before hitting x $0.20 = $65.00
$65 + $10 = $75
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October 27th, 2021 at 4:39:26 AM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

Quote: McSweeney

Yeah, I used to ignore 88 Fortunes and Dancing Drums at my casino because I am only interested in advantage machines. But lately I've started taking notes as to the jackpot amounts of these games, and I am trying to create a "highest I've ever seen the Grand/Major/etc. jackpot" record to get a feel for what is a much greater jackpot than usual to inform my decision to perhaps go after one.
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Exactly what I do on Rakin Bacon. There is an opportunity there for sure!
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But it’s not a real opportunity, right? Because these machines aren’t “due.”
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October 27th, 2021 at 5:21:29 PM permalink
I split off posts about Rakin Bacon.
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October 28th, 2021 at 3:28:29 PM permalink
I just put together a video on 88 Fortunes. I doubt this will interest any advantage players, it's more of a basic tutorial how the game works. I welcome all comments and corrections.

Enjoy!


Direct: https://youtu.be/nm33IleP3dY
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October 28th, 2021 at 4:43:16 PM permalink
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I think any 3 reels work. Even 1 3 and 5 would work. May be wrong.
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You are wrong. On 88 fortunes, you have to line the gong symbols up from left to right starting at reel 1.

Ie: You get the bonus for getting gongs on Reels 1, 2 and 3 or Reels, 1, 2, 3 and 4 or Reels 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
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October 31st, 2021 at 11:58:04 PM permalink
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I just put together a video on 88 Fortunes. I doubt this will interest any advantage players, it's more of a basic tutorial how the game works. I welcome all comments and corrections.

Enjoy!



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November 1st, 2021 at 5:53:44 AM permalink
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November 1st, 2021 at 4:54:58 PM permalink
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Do you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?

What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet

Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
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November 1st, 2021 at 5:33:49 PM permalink
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Do you have the par sheet for this game or any of the other similar Asian themed games?



I'm afraid not.

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What i want to know is does bet size increase the likely hood of hitting the Major?
ie: $8.80 max bet vs .88 min bet



Yes, it does.

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Also, does game denomination matter?
ie: $8.80 max bet at 1cent denom vs $8.80 min bet at 10cent denom to hit the Major
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That's a good question. The rules tell us that the player must bet 88 credits to qualify for the major. However, a credit can be anything from $.01 to $.10 on most machines.

So, the player betting 88 credits of $0.01, or $0.88 in total would quality for the Major, but a player betting 18 credits at $0.10 a credit, or $1.80 would not. That may not sound fair. However, I'm sure it's balanced out by the player betting $1.80 getting into the bonus round much more often than $0.88. More than 2.0455 times as often. I am pretty sure it balances out in the end in terms of return.

It would be nice to see a par sheet to know exactly how they do it. Actually, a par sheet may not say.
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November 2nd, 2021 at 2:49:16 PM permalink
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November 2nd, 2021 at 8:31:01 PM permalink
Well, yes! That's 1.65 million credits!
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November 2nd, 2021 at 11:36:24 PM permalink
I'm beginning to have doubts that there is EVER a +EV play with this game, and indeed any other progressive jackpot games that aren't must-hit-by. If there is, perhaps it would be necessary to focus on the Mini and Minor jackpots when they are BOTH unusually inflated and only bet high enough to be eligible for those two because let's face it: you're not getting the Grand jackpot. Even the Major jackpot is a stretch; my home casino has people playing 88 Fortunes pretty much at all hours and the Major will STILL go days without being hit. And the Major isn't even that much! Right now it's sitting at $950.00. If a bunch of people are collectively playing linked 88 Fortunes all day long and they still can't trip it, there's no way you're going to by yourself with less than $1,000.00 in losses. And I'm beginning to think that if such opportunity exists where the Mini and Minor jackpots are in +EV position, they would have to be so unusually inflated that it would be like a once in a month opportunity to make 10 bucks.
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November 3rd, 2021 at 2:12:59 AM permalink
So you could buy-in for $200, play 88 credits, lose more than $20 until you win back to your buy-in, lose $20+ again, win back to your buy-in, then cash out because the machine won't let you get back to even a third time.
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November 5th, 2021 at 1:56:03 PM permalink
Anybody have an idea of how many spins it takes, on average, for the bowl to close and for you to be awarded a jackpot? From this I could ascertain possible +EV situations based on size of jackpots (especially the 2 lowest value ones). I was thinking about watching people on YouTube play this game and count spins, but I think that would probably fall prey to selection bias. Perhaps I will use myself as a sacrificial lamb. I also wonder if it would vary from casino to casino depending on what they set the payout % to be.
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November 5th, 2021 at 2:07:45 PM permalink
So $176 could buy you a 200 spin head start at $0.88 a spin. Most people overbet on the slots and barely have 50 spins to start with. Machines are cold and damn cold.
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November 5th, 2021 at 5:39:19 PM permalink
Yes I forgot that it would also vary based on the bet size. I would always max bet, personally (as I do with must-hit-by jackpots), just because I'm all about being efficient, so I would want the number of spins based on that.
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