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March 12th, 2020 at 11:35:13 AM permalink
Do you think casinos would jack up the payout to try to entice more people? Or would they ratchet it down in an effort to skimp and save as much money as possible during a difficult financial time?
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March 12th, 2020 at 11:37:09 AM permalink
Neither. They'll stay the same.

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March 12th, 2020 at 11:40:20 AM permalink
Quote: genericusername

Do you think casinos would jack up the payout to try to entice more people? Or would they ratchet it down in an effort to skimp and save as much money as possible during a difficult financial time?

They would drop payouts and increase FP and rethink all offerings.
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March 12th, 2020 at 11:48:50 AM permalink
Jack up the payout? Thanks I needed that!
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March 12th, 2020 at 11:52:25 AM permalink
I知 only willing to handle virus-infested chips if blackjacks pay 2-1
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March 12th, 2020 at 1:14:28 PM permalink
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I知 only willing to handle virus-infested chips if blackjacks pay 2-1



If PA had a 2-1 virus special I壇 keep working my long days then play 4-5 more hours after work.
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March 15th, 2020 at 6:41:45 PM permalink
I'd be more worried about "Progressive Resets" than anything. Everyone can wear gloves and use a touch screen stylus. Almost a non issue if yoou think about it.
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March 15th, 2020 at 6:59:22 PM permalink
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I'd be more worried about "Progressive Resets" than anything. Everyone can wear gloves and use a touch screen stylus. Almost a non issue if yoou think about it.

I'm not understanding the connection between the two things what do you mean
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March 15th, 2020 at 7:50:00 PM permalink
Progressive resets would be illegal in Nevada... and likely most other states.
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March 15th, 2020 at 7:51:27 PM permalink
Quote: Suited89

I'd be more worried about "Progressive Resets" than anything. Everyone can wear gloves and use a touch screen stylus. Almost a non issue if yoou think about it.



More worried about progressives being reset than about getting the virus ?
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March 15th, 2020 at 9:30:35 PM permalink
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Progressive resets would be illegal in Nevada... and likely most other states.

And yet...
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 16th, 2020 at 6:47:45 AM permalink
Posted near the cage on my Royal Carrbean cruise last year:

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March 16th, 2020 at 7:55:50 AM permalink
That's certainly not Nevada.
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March 16th, 2020 at 9:24:39 AM permalink
Most cruise ships are registered to foreign countries so they probably have different casino regulations.
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March 16th, 2020 at 9:37:35 AM permalink
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Most cruise ships are registered to foreign countries so they probably have different casino regulations.



They have almost no regulations because the generally operate at sea and not in a specific port or jurisdiction.
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March 16th, 2020 at 11:00:49 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Posted near the cage on my Royal Carrbean cruise last year:

Don't mean it actually happens.
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March 16th, 2020 at 11:10:03 AM permalink
I would either: 1. not play in the casino at all, or 2. only play machines without a progressive. That's just generally sleazy business.
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March 16th, 2020 at 11:17:38 AM permalink
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They have almost no regulations because the generally operate at sea and not in a specific port or jurisdiction.



When the ship enters international waters, the law of country of registration is the law the governs. For that reason, many ships are registered in Panama.
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March 16th, 2020 at 11:30:14 AM permalink
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many ships are registered in Panama.

For reasons of low fees and lax mechanical and crewing standards, not particularly for the gambling laws.
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March 16th, 2020 at 12:42:58 PM permalink
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I'd be more worried about "Progressive Resets" than anything. Everyone can wear gloves and use a touch screen stylus. Almost a non issue if yoou think about it.



Besides being illegal in Nevada, that does not make my top 1,000 list of things to worry about.
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March 16th, 2020 at 2:31:42 PM permalink
Every cruise ship shuts their casino down when they get within a certain distance of port. The cruise ship casinos never operate until they are at sea - and thus they have no regulatory body that oversees the operation of the casino.
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March 16th, 2020 at 6:22:30 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Posted near the cage on my Royal Carrbean cruise last year:



Cruise ships do not have to abide by state laws or U.S. They operate out of a specific country (usually fly a flag of one with few regulations for these very reasons -in addition to paying wages that would be illegal in the U.S.....)

For your example Royal Caribbean is a Liberian company (on paper), and you can guess Liberia's minimum wage and player protection laws.....
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March 17th, 2020 at 1:46:11 AM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Posted near the cage on my Royal Carrbean cruise last year:



Cruise ships do not have to abide by state laws or U.S. They operate out of a specific country (usually fly a flag of one with few regulations for these very reasons -in addition to paying wages that would be illegal in the U.S.....)

For your example Royal Caribbean is a Liberian company (on paper), and you can guess Liberia's minimum wage and player protection laws.....

LOL @ that sign. No doubt them adding that sign probably had something do with an advantage player originally.
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March 17th, 2020 at 10:18:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Gandler

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Posted near the cage on my Royal Carrbean cruise last year:



Cruise ships do not have to abide by state laws or U.S. They operate out of a specific country (usually fly a flag of one with few regulations for these very reasons -in addition to paying wages that would be illegal in the U.S.....)

For your example Royal Caribbean is a Liberian company (on paper), and you can guess Liberia's minimum wage and player protection laws.....

LOL @ that sign. No doubt them adding that sign probably had something do with an advantage player originally.



The more I think about that sign, the more complicated I think the answer is....

If you think about it, in order to reset between sails, they would be doing so while the ship is docked. Therefore, they would be doing so while not being in international waters, making them subject to the laws of the port in which the actions are taking place. Interesting........
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March 17th, 2020 at 11:06:52 AM permalink
US Treasury to authorize checks to every tax payer for $1,000 or more in next 2 weeks.

Sounds like an almost done deal.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/white-house-will-send-checks-to-americans-to-fight-coronavirus-economic-impact-mnuchin/
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March 17th, 2020 at 11:51:58 AM permalink
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US Treasury to authorize checks to every tax payer for $1,000 or more in next 2 weeks.



Ummm... The article didn't say whether the $1,000 cash is a gift or a loan. Watch out.
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March 17th, 2020 at 12:06:30 PM permalink
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Ummm... The article didn't say whether the $1,000 cash is a gift or a loan. Watch out.



If it is an interest free loan I will take it.
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March 17th, 2020 at 12:22:05 PM permalink
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Ummm... The article didn't say whether the $1,000 cash is a gift or a loan. Watch out.


A loan to go out and spend? I'd send it back.

They would storm the capital with pitch forks if it was written like that.
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March 17th, 2020 at 12:33:14 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

US Treasury to authorize checks to every tax payer for $1,000 or more in next 2 weeks.

Sounds like an almost done deal.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/white-house-will-send-checks-to-americans-to-fight-coronavirus-economic-impact-mnuchin/



Does anyone know how they define 'taxpayer?

I pay taxes on my pension as if it was earned income. Am I a taxpayer?
Wife is independent contractor, pays taxes of course, is she a taxpayer?
Wife's daughter works a few hours a week at a bakery. Is she getting the thou?
If you are an honest AP ( no laughing please!) and file a tax return that makes you a 'taxpayer' as well, I assume?
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March 17th, 2020 at 12:39:32 PM permalink
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Does anyone know how they define 'taxpayer?

I pay taxes on my pension as if it was earned income. Am I a taxpayer?
Wife is independent contractor, pays taxes of course, is she a taxpayer?
Wife's daughter works a few hours a week at a bakery. Is she getting the thou?
If you are an honest AP ( no laughing please!) and file a tax return that makes you a 'taxpayer' as well, I assume?


My guess would be if you are required by law to file a federal tax return..you are eligible. Other than breaking it down by who paid what, who didn't pay, who didn't owe, who did owe and how much....there's no other way to do it. This sounds like pay them $1,000 now regardless.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 10:15:46 AM permalink
Before this hit casinos and gambling in general were on a big rise. I don't think they will raise or lower edges as either decision could backfire. Raising edges could alienate players, but lowering house edges could unnecessarily hurt the casino bottom line.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 10:29:26 AM permalink
When I posted originally, there was no lockdown yet, and was concerned about the UltimateX machines being surreptitiously 'adjusted'. By the way, the phrase 'force majeure' comes to mind.

OK back to the OT thread, thanks TD Vegas for the derail.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:21:24 AM permalink
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I don't think they will raise or lower edges



Why would they. People don't
pay attention to or understand
the HE anyway, why would a
casino mess with it.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:31:02 AM permalink
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People don't pay attention to or understand the HE anyway, why would a casino mess with it.

In this sentence I would say that 'people" is not restricted to players but also embraces management.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:35:06 AM permalink
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Why would they. People don't
pay attention to or understand
the HE anyway, why would a
casino mess with it.



They must always be trying to find the sweet spot. If they make it too low people won't return if they are just slaughtered quickly each time they play. If that wasn't true, every machine would be set at the lowest amount legally allowed. Correct that people don't understand the house edge, especially most slot players. But they will understand when their $200 only lasts 30 minutes.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:38:35 AM permalink
They might offer some initial bonus offers.

Or the addicted may just storm the place the first day it's opening and they won't have to worry about it.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:48:40 AM permalink
If you turn off a slot machine (especially some 30 year-old classic type) for several weeks to save on your electric bill, would the machine still remember its progressive totals (mini, minor, major etc) when you turn it back on?
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April 2nd, 2020 at 11:59:13 AM permalink
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If you turn off a slot machine (especially some 30 year-old classic type) for several weeks to save on your electric bill, would the machine still remember its progressive totals (mini, minor, major etc) when you turn it back on?



In general yes. Each machine has static RAM that is kept alive by a battery. As long as the battery doesn't go dead it will remember all of its setup.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 1:39:18 PM permalink
I doubt that the machines will be altered. Rather, the casinos will be making superior offers with cheaper or higher end free rooms and more free play to get people through the door. They might have even more volume than you'd expect because all the old ladies that have gone without for so long will be flocking inside.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 1:48:03 PM permalink
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In general yes. Each machine has static RAM that is kept alive by a battery. As long as the battery doesn't go dead it will remember all of its setup.



It also wouldn't surprise me if they took an accounting of all the progressives before they shut banks of machines down.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 1:52:18 PM permalink
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In general yes. Each machine has static RAM that is kept alive by a battery. As long as the battery doesn't go dead it will remember all of its setup.



I've been chasing a specific progressive for almost a year. Even though the machines are off, I expect them to come up at the same amount. I know the amount the day they shut down.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 2:09:54 PM permalink
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It also wouldn't surprise me if they took an accounting of all the progressives before they shut banks of machines down.



We did write down the progressives at our properties.
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April 2nd, 2020 at 4:39:28 PM permalink
I can tell you my new install of WinCraps thinks nothing of a dozen point 7-outs in a row to start off my day.
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April 3rd, 2020 at 1:14:39 PM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

If you turn off a slot machine (especially some 30 year-old classic type) for several weeks to save on your electric bill, would the machine still remember its progressive totals (mini, minor, major etc) when you turn it back on?

I have seen machines move around casinos and when they were back up they had the same progressive values. Some casinos also have a slot attendant that walks around, usually at night, and inputs all progressive numbers in an iPad. I would guess they did this before they closed. Probably depends on jurisdiction.
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April 5th, 2020 at 10:05:56 AM permalink
I believe the software that's built in to all modern machines synchs up in a way in which it doesn't matter where the machine physically is located.
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April 5th, 2020 at 5:10:31 PM permalink
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I believe the software that's built in to all modern machines synchs up in a way in which it doesn't matter where the machine physically is located.



Progressives that control more than a single machine use what is called a progressive controller which is a separate piece of equipment,.
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April 6th, 2020 at 10:07:15 AM permalink
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I can tell you my new install of WinCraps thinks nothing of a dozen point 7-outs in a row to start off my day.

Start off? It would surely end mine,
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