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Quote: gamerfreakThat’s a good point.
I think, particularly in Atlantic City where casinos are considered semi-public (not saying that’s where Romes was playing, I have no idea), that you could easily be 86’d from the players club but not the casino as a whole.
The AC casinos, to my belief, cannot 86 a person for anything strictly related to gambling. That's why they can't back off card counters, only early shuffle and change the limits. However, the players clubs do have the ability to no-mail a person, and I am no-mailed at Golden Nugget for one. I was informed that I could not get any offers of any kind, but that I could accumulate and use my points and that's it.
Anyway, it's still a function of the casino.
Also, in Romes' case, they could theoretically just warn him not to use the players cards of other people and no-mail his card. They don't necessarily have to 86 him. They probably would, but no casino necessarily has to 86 anyone.
It's still beyond my comprehension to consider the players club as a completely separate entity from the casino. How could it be? What would the players club exist for? You get points by gambling and/or spending, I don't think the idea of a players club is just to give people a little souvenir.
Quote: darkozMdawg, what case law are you referring to. Never heard of lower courts getting involved since there is no criminality here. Are you referring to civil litigation?
Dark Romes is the one who said
Quote: RomesYeah, there's literally case law setting precedent that this is okay
but when pressed to give us the Terms and Conditions of the player club he was involved with, or to quote us the "case law" that he claims makes it okay to play with someone else's player card/comps, he just gives us a sly, stupid look and comes-on with some double-talk, which is probably the approach he thinks is going to work with the casino.
Case law means appellate precedent. I am saying that there is no case law because these types of cases don't end up in appellate court.
Anyway, bottom line is that it is against the casino rules at every casino I took a look at to play with someone else's player card or to allow anyone else to use your comps/free play. I believe that you agree with fact this, no? I quoted the rules from Caesars and MGM above to support this. And yes I agree with you that this is against casino rules not illegal.
If you really want to consider this thread as a whole, Romes has offered no details, no casino rules, no case law to support anything he has to say.
Quote: Mission146It's still beyond my comprehension to consider the players club as a completely separate entity from the casino. How could it be? What would the players club exist for? You get points by gambling and/or spending, I don't think the idea of a players club is just to give people a little souvenir.
How do you figure?
Bally’s is not Total Rewards. Bally’s participates in the Total Rewards program, but you can play at Bally’s without being a Total Rewards member. And you can be a Total Rewards member without playing at Bally’s.
I guess it’s called Ceasars Rewards now but you my point.
Quote: gamerfreakHow do you figure?
Bally’s is not Total Rewards. Bally’s participates in the Total Rewards program, but you can play at Bally’s without being a Total Rewards member. And you can be a Total Rewards member without playing at Bally’s.
I guess it’s called Ceasars Rewards now but you my point.
Who OWNS the Total Rewards program? Who owns Bally's? I believe CET operates Total Rewards as well as the casino floor of Bally's. They own Total Rewards.
In any case, this is some of the craziest hair-splitting I've ever seen. The question SHOULD BE about obligation to pay or no obligation to pay. Legal right to get ID, or no legal right to get ID.
The players club Terms and Conditions say what they say. The casino, EVEN IF a different entity, can 86 you for any reason it wants to in most states. The players club can terminate a card or cancel comps for any reason it wants to in almost every state I have ever heard of.
Because of that, if the casino wants to 86 you because you violated the rules of the players club, then they have a right to do that. Even if they are separate entities. They don't even need any reason at all to 86 you, in most states.
Quote: mcallister3200Isn’t CET broken into several companies now so that they could protect anything worthwhile in their sham bankruptcy? Like VICI properties or whatever was a company they created, separated the land from operations but was only leasing to CET properties for a long time.
Well I mean technically Eldorado owns them. Well I guess not yet.
I believe Caesars rewards was also a separate company. I think I have read they have 4 companies.
Quote: MDawgDark Romes is the one who said
but when pressed to give us the Terms and Conditions of the player club he was involved with, or to quote us the "case law" that he claims makes it okay to play with someone else's player card/comps, he just gives us a sly, stupid look and comes-on with some double-talk, which is probably the approach he thinks is going to work with the casino.
Case law means appellate precedent. I am saying that there is no case law because these types of cases don't end up in appellate court.
Anyway, bottom line is that it is against the casino rules at every casino I took a look at to play with someone else's player card or to allow anyone else to use your comps/free play. I believe that you agree with fact this, no? I quoted the rules from Caesars and MGM above to support this. And yes I agree with you that this is against casino rules not illegal.
If you really want to consider this thread as a whole, Romes has offered no details, no casino rules, no case law to support anything he has to say.
Ah, I see.
Yes we agree Romes was wrong about terms n conditions of players clubs. Mission also concurs from his posts. No argument its against house rules.
And yes we concur its not illegal.
I dont believe it has gone to the appellate court so I guess we agree there as well.
I am faced with a legal situation myself which may bring it though. Its entirely up to me if I want to pursue it. Haven't decided yet.
More details when i answer Mission post below
Quote: gamerfreakThat’s a good point.
I think, particularly in Atlantic City where casinos are considered semi-public (not saying that’s where Romes was playing, I have no idea), that you could easily be 86’d from the players club but not the casino as a whole.
I totally agree with you Mission.
And yet I have been 86'd from Golden Nugget for using other people's players cards.
Based on everything I have researched this is an illegal eviction.
Unfortunately it will cost money to pursue it in court
I am evaluating whether to do so.
There is a discussion about that tactic here.Quote: prozemaOn the other side of the equation, I just ran across a cash out machine recently that does not issue coins. It gave me all the paper money and it sent me to the cage for 22 cents. I thought that was a pretty slick tactic.
Quote: darkoz
Based on everything I have researched this is an illegal eviction.
Sounds like someone has been talking to Zenking. Have Zenking fund it from his left shoe.
Quote: DRichSounds like someone has been talking to Zenking. Have Zenking fund it from his left shoe.
I have the money to fund it.
Question is just do I want to pursue it. Looking at long run profit advantage to fighting them.
Got a lawyer who gave me a financial rundown of where costs will go.
So its really on me whether to fight for my rights.
Zenking goes on rants about AP rights.
I actually will do something about it without the rsnt
At that point there's nothing that says "it's only okay for married couples" is my point... which means the verbal telling of the players to share cards should extend to anyone, not just married couples.
Quote: RomesSo I'll admit some wrong with the PLAYERS CLUB rules, but not legalities... however, I challenge with this statement: Pretty much every single casino I've ever been to in my entire life ENCOURAGES married couples to play on the same card. I've heard countless players clubs TELL players this. So are they telling players to contradict their own "house rules?"
At that point there's nothing that says "it's only okay for married couples" is my point... which means the verbal telling of the players to share cards should extend to anyone, not just married couples.
I suspect it comes from some weird morality in which the casino only wants credit or offers taken by people fiscally involved.
In their minds a husband and wife share fiscal responsibilities. So magically its okay.
Imagine if you wanted to purchase something for a friend at burger king and the cashier said the sale would only be legit if your friend pays for it. They wont accept your money if you are paying for someone else
Nothing lasts forever... He might be married to her, but he's texting me allllllll night ;-).Quote: prozemaAxel is married. You missed your chance.
Quote: RomesNothing lasts forever... He might be married to her, but he's texting me allllllll night ;-).
T M I
Quote: darkozT M I
Ikr.
I so hope you DO get g@ngr@ped in a closet.Quote: RomesNothing lasts forever... He might be married to her, but he's texting me allllllll night ;-).
I mean, wishing gang rape in a closet on someone... see you in 3 days?Quote: AxelWolfI so hope you DO get g@ngr@ped in a closet.
You know we're meant to be. Stop denying it.
Quote: AxelWolfI so hope you DO get g@ngr@ped in a closet.
Hmmm
From now on please refer to me simply as Oz
Quote: prozemaSome people pay extra for fetishes. Sounds like he's offering YOU a discount. Maybe I read that wrong.
You think a guy would thank you after wishing for his hopes and dreams to come true.
Just in case someone's offended. I think it's obvious a strange out-of-the-blue comment like that must have been an inside joke of some kind.
Quote: AxelWolfYou think a guy would thank you after wishing for his hopes and dreams to come true.
Just in case someone's offended. I think it's obvious a strange out-of-the-blue comment like that must have been an inside joke of some kind.
Oh, I think I get it.
An Inside the closet joke?
Inside the Buttsky joke?
Ok, Im confused
My guess is that you've been confused about many things your entire life.Quote: darkozOh, I think I get it.
An Inside the closet joke?
Inside the Buttsky joke?
Ok, Im confused
Quote: AxelWolfMy guess is that you've been confused about many things your entire life.
Really, guys, just drop this line. The horse is flayed to ribbons.
Quote: darkozOh, I think I get it.
An Inside the closet joke?
Inside the Buttsky joke?
Ok, Im confused
Don't sweat it sir. I've become very accustomed to not knowing everything. It's almost blissful to be as ignorant as I am sometimes. Then again I'm not nominated for the most powerful AP award so I don't have much on the line.
