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August 20th, 2019 at 7:37:28 PM permalink
https://professorslots.com/new-york-slot-machine-casino-gambling/

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Hello mention of a Class 3 Video Lottery Terminal

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Tribal casinos in the state of New York had only Class II bingo halls until 1993. That year, a successfully negotiated state-tribal compact was approved for Class III Vegas-style gaming by the federally-recognized St. Regis Mohawk Tribe.

Per such tribal-state compacts, slot machines at all Class III tribal casinos are video lottery terminals (VLTs) controlled by the New York State Lottery. While these electronic games appear as typical video slot machines, the results of a bet are instead determined by the central lottery system.

At non-tribal casinos, the result of a bet on a slot machine is not determined by the state lottery server, but instead by a microchip in the machine itself or by a central computer located in the casino.

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August 20th, 2019 at 7:51:22 PM permalink
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https://professorslots.com/new-york-slot-machine-casino-gambling/

Archived https://web.archive.org/web/20190821023456/https://professorslots.com/new-york-slot-machine-casino-gambling/

Hello mention of a Class 3 Video Lottery Terminal

"

Tribal casinos in the state of New York had only Class II bingo halls until 1993. That year, a successfully negotiated state-tribal compact was approved for Class III Vegas-style gaming by the federally-recognized St. Regis Mohawk Tribe.

Per such tribal-state compacts, slot machines at all Class III tribal casinos are video lottery terminals (VLTs) controlled by the New York State Lottery. While these electronic games appear as typical video slot machines, the results of a bet are instead determined by the central lottery system.

At non-tribal casinos, the result of a bet on a slot machine is not determined by the state lottery server, but instead by a microchip in the machine itself or by a central computer located in the casino.

"



I see where you quoted from the article.

The article is wrong

The wagers do go thru the central computer for VLT lottery based non-tribal racinos.

I believe this to be true for the vegas style casinos but I am not certain. So dont hold me to that. Would have to do the research
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:15:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I see where you quoted from the article.

The article is wrong

The wagers do go thru the central computer for VLT lottery based non-tribal racinos.

I believe this to be true for the vegas style casinos but I am not certain. So dont hold me to that. Would have to do the research



no research needed i had that part in my first quote

BUTTTTT

check this trail out i found this company

http://www.southlandgaming.com/subsidiary-companies#the-parrot-club

through

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_lottery_terminal

at the bottom of the page in the references and they have a quote on their page http://www.southlandgaming.com/subsidiary-companies#the-parrot-club

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Subsidiary Companies
The Parrot Club in the Virgin Islands
The Parrot Club
Quote:

The Parrot Club, as a branded entertainment venue, was opened in 2008 to provide a facility to host entertainment and video lottery gaming on St John in the U.S. Virgin Islands.



Wharfside Village (Cruz Bay)
St. John, US Virgin Islands
(340) 715-2582
www.parrotclubvi.com

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which goes to https://www.parrotclubvi.com/

and has pictures that look like this



and



and


and NONE of any of those machine look ANY different than a regular casino slots and oh look they have a roulette there as well odd
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August 20th, 2019 at 8:45:52 PM permalink
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August 20th, 2019 at 9:52:28 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

no research needed i had that part in my first quote

BUTTTTT

check this trail out i found this company

http://www.southlandgaming.com/subsidiary-companies#the-parrot-club

through

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_lottery_terminal

at the bottom of the page in the references and they have a quote on their page http://www.southlandgaming.com/subsidiary-companies#the-parrot-club

"

Subsidiary Companies
The Parrot Club in the Virgin Islands
The Parrot Club


Wharfside Village (Cruz Bay)
St. John, US Virgin Islands
(340) 715-2582
www.parrotclubvi.com

"

which goes to https://www.parrotclubvi.com/

and has pictures that look like this



and



and


and NONE of any of those machine look ANY different than a regular casino slots and oh look they have a roulette there as well odd



VLTs can still behave exactly like Vegas slots. It all depends on the jurisdiction and its laws.

For example, Ohio racinos and Maryland casinos are VLTs that play just like Vegas. These places themselves are regulated by the state lottery commission, hence them being called VLTs instead of slot machines.
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August 21st, 2019 at 4:23:42 AM permalink
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VLTs can still behave exactly like Vegas slots. It all depends on the jurisdiction and its laws.

For example, Ohio racinos and Maryland casinos are VLTs that play just like Vegas. These places themselves are regulated by the state lottery commission, hence them being called VLTs instead of slot machines.



Why be confusing though why? Why canít we have one word with one definition for a slot machine?

Edit to let everyone know I have a friend who was a slot manager at sands and I swore up and down that they had class 3 vlt and have not been able to find any reference about class 3 vlt until yesterday so thatís why I am doing this stuff

Edit for length and addition

And what is to say that ALL slot machines are NOT just VLTs? if they are the same thing... who CARES right?
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August 21st, 2019 at 7:27:36 AM permalink
My understanding has been that any machine regulated by the lottery commission would be a considered VLT.

Back in the 1990's and early 2000's when I was programming video poker games for New York, they were centrally determined games. You could tell because they all had a gimmick where you could still win even if the cards did not match the paytable. Probably the most common was a match card.
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August 21st, 2019 at 7:53:27 AM permalink
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My understanding has been that any machine regulated by the lottery commission would be a considered VLT.

Back in the 1990's and early 2000's when I was programming video poker games for New York, they were centrally determined games. You could tell because they all had a gimmick where you could still win even if the cards did not match the paytable. Probably the most common was a match card.



And is it true that there is a limited pool of wins when it comes to central determination systems?
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August 21st, 2019 at 8:07:11 AM permalink
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And is it true that there is a limited pool of wins when it comes to central determination systems?



Yes, picture a large physical drum with lots of pieces of paper inside. You draw a piece of paper out and whatever it says on it is how much you won. The majority are zero but the rest have varying amounts written on them. If you completely emptied it and totaled them up you would come up with a payback of 90% for an example. The way the central determination system worked was when you pressed the spin button the computer would draw a ticket out of the drum. Whatever amount was on that ticket is what you win and the slot machine graphically represents that win amount.

We used to use the same drum until half of the tickets were drawn and then start a new drum.
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August 21st, 2019 at 8:11:08 AM permalink
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Yes, picture a large physical drum with lots of pieces of paper inside. You draw a piece of paper out and whatever it says on it is how much you won. The majority are zero but the rest have varying amounts written on them. If you completely emptied it and totaled them up you would come up with a payback of 90% for an example. The way the central determination system worked was when you pressed the spin button the computer would draw a ticket out of the drum. Whatever amount was on that ticket is what you win and the slot machine graphically represents that win amount.

We used to use the same drum until half of the tickets were drawn and then start a new drum.



I think this is my issue with this whole thing. It doesnt seem random at all to me. What is the differentiating factor of class ii and class iii VLT... the underlying "game"? class ii is bingo and class iii is... a RNG?

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