about Bally Quick Hits

I sat down to a Bally's Quick Hits machine. 6 Quick Hits is paying almost $500, re-sets to $200. 5 Quick Hits is paying almost $300, re-sets to $60. Max bet $5.00.

I first hit 6 Quick Hits and knock that out of the way. I debate quitting but talk myself into trying for the "easy" one. So now it looks like this. 6 Hits, $200, 5 Hits, just under $300. Yep, the bottom jackpot is actually higher than the second one. I continue playing while thinking to myself that I'd rather hit the 5 instead of the 6. About twenty minutes later, I hit the 6 again. A little disappointed but I'll take anything the machine will give me. Suddenly it dawns on me, the machine has given me the BOTTOM jackpot, the 5-hit jackpot, even though the reels show 6. Of course, I don't play this every day but still I've never seen this before. Maybe some other players knew this already but I did not. Apparently if there is a "bigger small" jackpot, the machine will pay it off if you hit the one above. If you didn't know that, well, now you do. I thought this was interesting. I even called over the slot tech to show her. She was surprised also.

How did this happen? Obviously a fast meter and a lot of players who "short-coin".

Very interesting and useful information. Not sure how often you will find this but I definitely see many playing less than max on QH as the max goes up. Not so much on the $1.50 max machines.

No clue on how to do the math but it would appear since you get the higher jackpot on either the 5 or 6 hits, the math would get slightly better.

Hopefully Mission sees this as he has done a lot of work on Quick Hits.

Thanks.

Quote: Boz

Very interesting and useful information. Not sure how often you will find this but I definitely see many playing less than max on QH as the max goes up. Not so much on the $1.50 max machines.

A couple years ago I was at a casino in the morning, most people had cleared out and the place was almost empty. There was a bank, maybe 10 to 12 machines, $1.50 max bet QH Platinums. The bottom jackpot for 5 hits was $54. lol I kid you not, still can't believe it myself. I sat down and hammered that spin button with no delay. Especially I didn't want to see anyone else sit down. I had it all to myself. Took me maybe five minutes and I hit it, lucky me. That bank is still there to this day, I've never seen it over $32.

Quote: Boz

Hopefully Mission sees this as he has done a lot of work on Quick Hits.

Thanks, but I have only done any real work on Quick Hit Platinum. I started preliminary work on a different title once, but nothing really looked promising enough about the machines for me to continue.

I don't even know that the machine in question was a Platinum, the reset values don't seem right, for one thing. If a $5 bet 6QH i resetting to $200 and usually a $1.50 6 QH on Platinum resets to $75, then one is 50x the bet while the other is only 40x the bet, so that's already kind of weird. $60 would also be a weird reset for 5QH which on a $1.50 bet would reset to $15.00, or 10x the bet, on Platinum. I tend to think this wasn't a Platinum, but if it was, it has weird reset multiples.

Obviously, this machine (if QHP) would be at a ridiculously good advantage based on the 5 QH alone. It could be people betting less than max pumping up the meter, but what I think is perhaps more likely is that the casino got rid of other similarly titled machines and moved the progressive contributions over to the machine that was played. It also could have a really fast meter AND a ton of short-coin players.

I'd have to have a lot of information to even make any guesses here:

1.) Was the machine a Quick Hit Platinum?

2.) What was the meter move for 5QH and 6QH per $5 bet?

3.) Was this a linked progressive?

From there, we could begin to figure out things. Small chance, but maybe this machine is positive with some frequency.

As far as the, "Bigger Small," jackpot, I have no idea. I don't recall ever hitting a jackpot on a Quick Hit machine whilst the jackpot underneath of it was a greater amount. In fact, I've only ever seen that before once (6QH was greater than 7QH), but I hit the 6QH first.

The one thing that I have had happen is that if the jackpot progressive is greater than what the same spin on Free Games would pay (consider a 5QH that pays $40, but you are on 2x bonus games and the 5QH would pay $30) that it will award the jackpot amount instead.

Quote: Mission146

Thanks, but I have only done any real work on Quick Hit Platinum. I started preliminary work on a different title once, but nothing really looked promising enough about the machines for me to continue.

I don't even know that the machine in question was a Platinum, the reset values don't seem right, for one thing. If a $5 bet 6QH i resetting to $200 and usually a $1.50 6 QH on Platinum resets to $75, then one is 50x the bet while the other is only 40x the bet, so that's already kind of weird. $60 would also be a weird reset for 5QH which on a $1.50 bet would reset to $15.00, or 10x the bet, on Platinum. I tend to think this wasn't a Platinum, but if it was, it has weird reset multiples.

Obviously, this machine (if QHP) would be at a ridiculously good advantage based on the 5 QH alone. It could be people betting less than max pumping up the meter, but what I think is perhaps more likely is that the casino got rid of other similarly titled machines and moved the progressive contributions over to the machine that was played. It also could have a really fast meter AND a ton of short-coin players.

I'd have to have a lot of information to even make any guesses here:

1.) Was the machine a Quick Hit Platinum?

2.) What was the meter move for 5QH and 6QH per $5 bet?

3.) Was this a linked progressive?

From there, we could begin to figure out things. Small chance, but maybe this machine is positive with some frequency.

As far as the, "Bigger Small," jackpot, I have no idea. I don't recall ever hitting a jackpot on a Quick Hit machine whilst the jackpot underneath of it was a greater amount. In fact, I've only ever seen that before once (6QH was greater than 7QH), but I hit the 6QH first.

The one thing that I have had happen is that if the jackpot progressive is greater than what the same spin on Free Games would pay (consider a 5QH that pays $40, but you are on 2x bonus games and the 5QH would pay $30) that it will award the jackpot amount instead.

No, this was not a case of the casino transferring jackpot money from another machine. It was pure short-coining.

I can say that this was not Platinum. I will return with more info, just fyi. And I can "feel" that QHs do not appear as frequently as on Platinum or others, but it's not THAT much different. I think it was positive when I sat down and both 5QH and 6QH were so high, but after I first hit the 6, maybe not. I believe "Monkey" is in the title somewhere. I have played it before, here, and other casinos, but only when at least the 5QH was very high. I'll be back in a day or two with the meter rates. But really, the only reason I made this post was because of the 5QH hitting when the reels showed 6 QHs. Too bad you didn't hit that 7QH when your 6QH was greater, then we would have a better grasp on whether this is routine. It may be months before I get to test this. Thank you for your input, Mission. Thank you very much. I'll be back.

edit: I forgot to answer, yes, linked, but only three or four machines.

Quote: Mission146

The one thing that I have had happen is that if the jackpot progressive is greater than what the same spin on Free Games would pay (consider a 5QH that pays $40, but you are on 2x bonus games and the 5QH would pay $30) that it will award the jackpot amount instead.

I'll have to look for this also. I want to see it.

Quote: bobbartop

I'll have to look for this also. I want to see it.

I hope you find it! It’s a pretty rare event on QHP for it to be more than double in the first place. When that’s satisfied, you would then need to hit the desired result during free games prior to hitting it in regular games, which is also unlikely. You’d also have to not hit the 3x bonus games and then hit the result, unless it’s more than that, also.

I think you can more frequently find it at more than double for 6QH and 7QH, but those obviously have a much longer cycle to begin with. I’m shooting from the hip here, but I think 7QH is probably the one most frequently more than double.

Those machines are very volatile(with the expanding reels). I tried a similar play assuming it was good, and won't do that again. However, Ive looked and never seen one like it again on otherwise slow days. I moved the 6 $5 for $500, don't need that. It's a shitty casino altogether, others might be better. It's not a good policy to play assumptions when you have things you know I think. They can do what they want with these machines, I'm not even close to wanting to trust the casinos, often times you'll see something you'll think has to be good, but it's high for a reason often enough you won't figure out until your caught with your pants down.