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March 12th, 2019 at 10:35:47 PM permalink
Quote: kuma

I have only been playing Reels 1 and 4 if bubbles line up in the same row at the same time (assuming no other bubbles on Reels 2 and 3). It looks like here you are suggesting a bubble on Reel 4 doesn’t necessarily have to be on the same row as one on Reel 1, which is interesting.



I'm assuming lots of pay-lines. However, the paylines move like a chess queen from reel to reel, either straight or directly diagonal.
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March 12th, 2019 at 10:41:44 PM permalink
Is there anyone even making serious money vulturing Ocean Magic?

Seems like vulturing might earn you $50 a day if you are lucky

There is probably a better way to maximise the AP value of this game but I am not gonna discuss that here

Hope I am not "bursting anyones bubbles" hee hee hee
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March 12th, 2019 at 11:22:10 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Is there anyone even making serious money vulturing Ocean Magic?

Seems like vulturing might earn you $50 a day if you are lucky



Vulturing in areas with a high concentratration of vultures is definitely a tough way too go. I think some do well outside of AC and Vegas. As with any AP play, things get exponentially devalued as more people start trying to take advantage of the same thing.
That's why I'm not a fan of disclosing plays that I know of but do not partake. I might personally have others with more value and thus spend my time on them. However, I don't want to dilute the value of a fellow AP who might be working a lesser valued play because that's the best they know of. It is professionally disrespectful.
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March 13th, 2019 at 12:07:47 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Is there anyone even making serious money vulturing Ocean Magic?

Seems like vulturing might earn you $50 a day if you are lucky

I probably made less than $500-1,000/month ($15-30/day) on Ocean Magic.
It was a solid play, but the volume/value of plays was not high. Never added it up separately, as it was always one of my "misc games"

If you add up different plays:
UX $100-150/day
A3D $50-100/day
PWZ $10-50/day
OM $10-20/day
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$170-320/day ($5K-15K/month, $60K-180K/year)

Note: Different areas will have greatly different values.

Quote: prozema

If a single bubble on reel 3 is ever worth 500% rtp, I'm running cold.

Major reason Aladdin is so much better than Golden Egypt is the EV of a $1 bet-play (personal estimates averaged over all plays - Aladdin 10.00 at Harrah's, Golden 0.50 in Vegas). 500% would put Ocean Magic at about 40-50% of Aladdin value, but I usually do less detailed tracking than Wizard, so my EV values were averaged over all plays (good and not-so-good). It sounds reasonable.

EV of a PWZ at 300 was about $25 at Harrah's (tight).
I never analyzed the value at lower levels of 250, 200, 180, 150.
When I started playing in mid-2016, we played at 290+ and abandoned at 220-250.

PWZ ended up being worth less than A3D because of the volume of plays.

UX is worth about $1.50 EV per $1 bet-play (low), but the volume of plays can be quite high, and the downside risk is minimal.
If you find about $200 bet-plays/day, you will probably make $100/day ($50/day short-term with $50/day bigger hits).

Most games are like that. A good portion (or most) of the EV can be in stuff you only hit once/week or once/month.
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March 13th, 2019 at 2:41:51 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Vulturing in areas with a high concentratration of vultures is definitely a tough way too go. I think some do well outside of AC and Vegas. As with any AP play, things get exponentially devalued as more people start trying to take advantage of the same thing.
That's why I'm not a fan of disclosing plays that I know of but do not partake. I might personally have others with more value and thus spend my time on them. However, I don't want to dilute the value of a fellow AP who might be working a lesser valued play because that's the best they know of. It is professionally disrespectful.



And yet I am not the one who is breaking it down mathematically!

Those who dont understand the potential wont

Those who do will see the mathematics and will regardless of me saying it has any potential
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March 13th, 2019 at 2:47:54 AM permalink
It took me all of five seconds to see the potential both good and bad when I first encountered this game

There is another game that is even more lucrative named after an animal (about as vague as I can get) and you dont see me saying the name and how it works much less the math.

So if you suddenly start seeing mathematical breakdowns of THAT game please dont be angry with me

Point the finger at the person doing the break down

EDIT: For that matter there was just an article online exposing nationally how Ocean Magic works

I must really be the most feared AP I claim to be if I have more power to destroy a move than nationally syndicated articles and online mathematical breakdowns!
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March 13th, 2019 at 2:50:27 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Is there anyone even making serious money vulturing Ocean Magic?

Seems like vulturing might earn you $50 a day if you are lucky

There is probably a better way to maximise the AP value of this game but I am not gonna discuss that here

Hope I am not "bursting anyones bubbles" hee hee hee



Some AP's won $1,000000 on Ocean Magic so a lot better than $50 a day, ;) The only catch was that it was online and apparently, the Online Casino Company/Companies are/were dragging their feet in actually paying these APs their million. :/
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March 13th, 2019 at 3:00:38 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Some AP's won $1,000000 on Ocean Magic so a lot better than $50 a day, ;) The only catch was that it was online and apparently, the Online Casino Company/Companies are/were dragging their feet in actually paying these APs their million. :/



Agreed

But that was a unique situation which lasted (for all its lucrative nature) one week!

Facts! AP's generally kill their own moves simply by doing them, then want to blame others for their loss!
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March 13th, 2019 at 5:16:29 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

And yet I am not the one who is breaking it down mathematically!

Those who dont understand the potential wont

Those who do will see the mathematics and will regardless of me saying it has any potential

And Mike doesn't make his living from AP. HE MAKES HIS LIVING DOING THIS! *See WOO. Do you see the difference between you and him?

Do you see how you just had to inform everyone just how smart you were by pointing out how you spotted other potential? Do you not see how comments like that could get other certain people to start wondering and thinking?

I get it, you entered this line of work well after the information highway had arrived and tons of people were involved. So you probably haven't noticed all the little things that actually affect you and everyone else(It's all fun and games when you don't notice or think it affects you because you have something else going on, for now). When I started there were not very many people attacking slots and VP. My wallet and I noticed even if just one extra person came along and started competing. Promotions ended sooner, progressives got locked up faster, bonus slots were less lucrative, Darksiders took notice and got information faster.

Just imagine being the first to find a new linked bonus slot game worth $700 a day and you have to all to yourself. Now, just one person shows up and they noticed you(I even wore a disguise that worked for a while, not long enough, I should ordered one of your masks https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71gvJPzWNcL._UX385_.jpg ) . Now your income drops in half. Now he tells his 5 other of his scummy looking Chinese hustler friends. Now the ploppies and casinos take notice and pulls the game out completely and their sister properties refuse to install the game.
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March 13th, 2019 at 5:36:08 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Agreed

But that was a unique situation which lasted (for all its lucrative nature) one week!

Facts! AP's generally kill their own moves simply by doing them, then want to blame others for their loss!



Facts! Nathan should stick to her own corner(It's becoming more stagnant with each passing day).
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Let's let the AP's make some money killing their own plays on their own. Let's not arm the gambling world with free information that they did nothing to earn(don't wise up chumps to AP).

No, we will never stop the flow of free information and people finding out about stuff without any effort or skill. That doesn't mean you and others have to add to the mess. I'm not saying you have been, I'm just saying.


As I said before, I won't ever get though to everyone(I think I have gotten though to some, or at least that's what I have been told) but If just a few come to the same realization and it helps prolong just a few plays, then its worth it for me to keep ranting on about it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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