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Nathan
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November 23rd, 2018 at 12:19:31 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.



There is NO way that looks like 8x blue. Those LOOK like three faded red double 7's, and he was playing 2 credits so if I were him I'd be expecting $125,000 before taxes.
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November 23rd, 2018 at 2:31:13 AM permalink
There is a reason checks have both a large numeral 5 and also the words Five Dollars on them.

If there is both orange symbols and red symbols on a reel, that is fine but they must be utterly separate and distinct at all times, not just when some casino flunky gets around to putting in some blown out light bulb.

Ambient lighting can affect the display also. Things need to be certain. Just as the lawa
of debt collection letters is based upon the perceptions of non-sophisticated recipients
the law of machine payouts should be based on slightly soused, elderly folks with less
than perfect vision.

If it takes a technician to explain it, the casino should pay. The casino supplied the booze, the lighting
etc. and the general mood of bells and whistles and frivolity.
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November 23rd, 2018 at 2:40:33 AM permalink
Not sure why the guy isn't getting 125K for that hand. Those Indians are crooked. Trying to pay double $2000 for 3 orange sevens is laughable at best. The listed pay table obviously is not matching with the programmed display. At a minimum the person is entitled to 40K and not the 4K that the Indians are claiming. You can also clearly see the 3 plain orange sevens above the 3 red double 7's in the pic. There is nothing wrong with the lighting. Indians trying to scalp their players plain and simple.
This person needs to take these pictures to the local media. Also, needs to stage a sit in as close to the entrance to the property as legally possible informing anyone who will listen.
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November 23rd, 2018 at 6:38:57 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Are you saying (for the most recent picture), it should have paid $5k for 3 blue 7's, but then x8 for the doubles, making it pay $40k? That's the only thing that seems to match up to the payout.



Yes, that is how it looks to me.
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November 23rd, 2018 at 8:29:44 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Not sure why the guy isn't getting 125K for that hand. Those Indians are crooked. Trying to pay double $2000 for 3 orange sevens is laughable at best. The listed pay table obviously is not matching with the programmed display. At a minimum the person is entitled to 40K and not the 4K that the Indians are claiming. You can also clearly see the 3 plain orange sevens above the 3 red double 7's in the pic. There is nothing wrong with the lighting. Indians trying to scalp their players plain and simple.
This person needs to take these pictures to the local media. Also, needs to stage a sit in as close to the entrance to the property as legally possible informing anyone who will listen.



That's what I was thinking too. Looks like $125,000 for three double red 7's to me. If I were the Gambler they'd be "catching these hands" so to speak(Verbally, not literally because I wouldn't want to land in jail or in a lawsuit for physical assault) if they told me I wasn't getting paid that $125,000.
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November 23rd, 2018 at 8:30:55 AM permalink
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Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.

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Did the player play 2 credits? If they only played 1 credit they should have got $50k but only got $40k. It looks to me like it might have evaluated it as 8x Red 7's which makes more sense than 8x Blue 7's.



A few things I've noticed about this picture.......

The top line on the digital readout above the 12 button keypad appears (I may be totally wrong) to read "JP Ret USD 40,000.00". (I interpret that to read "Jackpot Return USD $40,000.00").

To the right is what looks like a players card slot, though I don't know for sure a card is actually inserted, but if there was would it have the payout embedded?

Underneath the 3 "Double Red 7's" it says "Jackpot Handpay $40,000.00".

Would any of these items in the picture have any bearing on what the payout should be??

ETA: I lost the picture
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November 23rd, 2018 at 9:04:55 AM permalink
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They should pay him the remaining $46,000 and keep their slots' light bulbs more up to date in the future.

I would estimate that the $46k is nothing compared to the negative press this story has generated.

Also, sounds like shit design on the slot machine. Two "orange" 7s and 1 "red" 7 that looks like an orange? Either intentionally misleading the player to think there are more of the premium symbols on the reel, or really bad design.



Yes - they have certainly received more negative press than the $46k was worth and, in all likelihood, the guy would have lost it back unless he just up and quit slots forever
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November 23rd, 2018 at 9:06:04 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.



There is NO way that looks like 8x blue. Those LOOK like three faded red double 7's, and he was playing 2 credits so if I were him I'd be expecting $125,000 before taxes.



Exactly - the Orange 7's on the pay table do not even list a DOUBLE orange 7 option - so, how could they claim they were orange if there were no DOUBLE 7 oranges on the pay table?
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November 23rd, 2018 at 9:16:31 AM permalink
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Quote: Nathan

Quote: tringlomane

Zcore13 doesn't work there. And he would also have the integrity to man up and pay this out in full.

I really hope the negative press costs them more than $46k in the end. If this story convinces 10 decent size players ($5000 annual loss) to quit playing there, then they'll be down more money within a year.

Also Harrah's LV had people on Twitter questioning this payout. This was 8X blue.



There is NO way that looks like 8x blue. Those LOOK like three faded red double 7's, and he was playing 2 credits so if I were him I'd be expecting $125,000 before taxes.



Exactly - the Orange 7's on the payout menu do not even list a DOUBLE orange 7 option - so, how could they claim they were orange if there were no DOUBLE 7 oranges on the slot menu?



Thank you. I also looked for Double orange 7's payout and found nothing about orange 7's. The guy has every right to demand $125,000 payout before taxes. If there were orange 7's listed on the payouts then he would be just entitled to the $40,000/$46,000 before taxes. But as the payouts are to most Gambler's eyes that looks like three red double 7's for a payment of $125,000 before taxes. I don't see how they could claim those are BLUE 7's.... WTF!

This is an edit. I DO now see a payout for orange 7's and those 3 "red" 7's DO look slightly orange, (Orange reddish) although there is no payout for triple orange 7's.
Last edited by: Nathan on Nov 23, 2018
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November 23rd, 2018 at 11:14:19 AM permalink
I found reel strips for this game, and it looks like the casino is right. I actually think he hit Orange 7 double, Orange 7 double, Red 7 double, based on the symbols that surround them. The correct pay for this is the 3 mixed 7s for $500 times 8 for the multipliers.

You can buy opaque reels or backlit reels for this game, and they can be fluorescent or led. The backlit strips fade over time also.

The strip layout, which is the same for all 3 reels, is:
Blue 7
5 Bar Double
Red 7
1 Bar Double
Orange 7
Blue 7 Double
1 Bar
Red 7 Double
5 Bar
Orange 7 Double
1 Bar

You can clearly see on his picture of the machine that the symbols below his are Bar, Bar, 5 Bar. For the first two symbols, you can also see the bottom of the 5s above them.

As for the second picture, you can tell from the reel strip layout that these are actually the Blue 7 Doubles because you can see the Orange 7s above and the 1 Bars below.

I feel sorry (slightly) for the guy, but he got the correct payout.
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