Man hits for $50k on slot - or did he?

Quote: CrystalMath

If the picture accurately displays what he saw, then it is reasonable to expect $50,000.

The photo that Tringlomane posted is not the photo of the guy that was given $4k instead of $50k -- Tringlomane introduced a photo of another slot machine controversy -- I think, at this point, we have conflated the original story with Tringlomane's pic -- damn this is confusing

Thanks for the detective work!

Yes, we need to look at the original smartphone photo of the guy's reel strips, at the 42-second mark of the news report.

I should have known to look at the other symbols. Depending on the game, all three reels often have a duplicate or parallel pattern, so for the top jackpot, the symbols are the same above and below it as well. The original reel strips laid out would be a strong clue to the jackpot symbols.

The guy's third reel has symbols above and below the payline that don't match the others, so based on that, I'd say it's highly likely he did NOT win the top jackpot.

Quote: smoothgrh

The guy's third reel has symbols above and below the payline don't match the others, so based on that, I'd say it's highly likely he did NOT win the top jackpot.

that only explains why the machine said the jackpot was $4,000

the photo from the video shows the paytable at the top of the machine
3 red 7 double pays $50,000


it is exactly what the pic from the video shows
the payline shows the 3 red double 7
clear as day

I also see no other colored 7 has a 'double' on it
in the paytable at the top. maybe it has another paytable on the bottom of the machine that is not seen in the video

The top pay table does NOT say the payline must match the upper and lower reel strips
I do not see that

This is the same as a grocery store that shows the wrong price for a food item then tries to charge 10x more at the checkout (sure there are laws in place)

Indian casinos can do what they want
they do not care
they just proved it again

Quote: 7craps

that only explains why the machine said the jackpot was $4,000

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I also see no other colored 7 has a 'double' on it
in the paytable at the top. maybe it has another paytable on the bottom of the machine that is not seen in the video

Yes, I think there's another panel somewhere that shows more instructions. CrystalMath says that every color of 7 has a double symbol.

So here's what I think is going on:

Mixed 7s pay $500.
Mixed 7s with one Double pays $1,000.
Mixed 7s with two Doubles pays $2,000.
Mixed 7s with three Doubles pays $4,000.

So the guy was paid $4,000.

Correctly paid, but a horrible customer experience, certainly.

After seeing the correct picture of the hand in question it is clear the guy was paid appropriately. Thanks CrystalMath.

The casino did actually play fair here..

They could have said it was a malfunction and voided his $4k pay. It indeed is a malfunction easily proven by the light bulb having not been lit.

Light bulbs being burned out are not malfunctions. The sevens of the red color match the pay table, a very expensive light bulb. Reel strips only shower gel how much he wouldn't have won had they changed the lightbulb. I say it's a breach of contract for the symbols being paid as on the pay table. Benefit of the doubt has to be on player's side, the house edge is with the casino. I don't condone excuse making, the casino won't pay up because integrity low.

Light bulbs being burned out are not malfunctions. The sevens of the red color match the pay table, a very expensive light bulb. Reel strips only shower gel how much he wouldn't have won had they changed the lightbulb. I say it's a breach of contract for the symbols being paid as on the pay table. Benefit of the doubt has to be on player's side, the house edge is with the casino. I don't condone excuse making, the casino won't pay up because integrity low.

I'd say it's a malfunction. The machine has a clear fault with it, the light bulb needs replacing. Any independent sparkie would tell you that.
Many if not all slots are labelled "Malfunction voids all plays and pays". He really did stand a high chance of losing the $4k.

Malfunction: (of a piece of equipment or machinery) fail to function normally.
It's got a failed light bulb, it definitely isn't operating as the manufacturer intended.

Void: not valid or legally binding.
The malfunction of the light bulb results in the contract (or his bet) to be not valid.

The message they should get out of this is to get up the ass of their maintenance, because that was lacking. The machine needed at the very least, an Out Of Order sign on it to prevent game play and this highly negative publicity.

Joe Public will look at that set of reels and side with the player, and I don't blame them - they were red to the untrained eye.
Big picture thinking would have been to take the $50k loss and change the 10c light bulb..

Not a malfunction -- or else if it was, then the casino would have knowingly allowed a machine that was malfunctioning to be available on the floor.

Now, I know the Indian casinos have "sovereign immunity" or whatever, but that doesn't mean they can do ANYTHING they want. I'm not sure if fraud (or whatever that would be determined to be) would fit that criteria.

On top of that, if it was a malfunction, then they would have to pay back every players' wins or losses, since it voids both pays (wins) and plays (losses).***





A question -- for those who know how the machines work in better detail -- what light is it, exactly, that was out? AFAIK, mechanical reels have a strip around 3 separate cylinders. Those strips and cylinders are pretty small, from what I've seen. Are there really lights inside of them, and a different colored light for each (or many) of the symbols? I mean, is there like a blue light, a red light, an orange light, a white light, and maybe some other colored lights in there as well? If so, then why was the orange light socket replaced with a red light bulb?

Quote: aceofspades

The photo that Tringlomane posted is not the photo of the guy that was given $4k instead of $50k -- Tringlomane introduced a photo of another slot machine controversy -- I think, at this point, we have conflated the original story with Tringlomane's pic -- damn this is confusing

Yes, my bad for confusing others.

I was just trying to show that this machine has major issues with display color with the other picture.

Thanks Crystal Math for explaining how he was correctly paid far much better than the casino did.

Quote: RS

A question -- for those who know how the machines work in better detail -- what light is it, exactly, that was out? AFAIK, mechanical reels have a strip around 3 separate cylinders. Those strips and cylinders are pretty small, from what I've seen. Are there really lights inside of them, and a different colored light for each (or many) of the symbols? I mean, is there like a blue light, a red light, an orange light, a white light, and maybe some other colored lights in there as well? If so, then why was the orange light socket replaced with a red light bulb?

It is just white lights, and most machines don’t have them. All they do is light up a symbol from the back when there’s a win. From the picture, they sure look lit up to me, so I still think the light story may be BS.

I think it is too weird a story to have been concocted on the spot so it is probably true about the
back ordered lamp and the intentional raising of the player's expectations.

I am sick to death of this subject but bringing a smartphone to the casino is now required.

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ChumpChange,
You are a gnat's whisker away from a ban for flooding and now thread hijacking.

Don't.

What I think is making this discussion confusing is people are posting pictures of a different game. I defer to what CrystalMath says in this post, where the player got three double sevens of mixed colors, which is a win of $500*2^3 = $4,000.

In a perfect world, the orange seven should look orange and a red seven should look red. However, the player is not due another $46,000 because of a broken light bulb. If I were a regulator making a decision on this one, I'd have to side with the casino.

Quote: Wizard

In a perfect world, the orange seven should look orange and a red seven should look red. However, the player is not due another $46,000 because of a broken light bulb. If I were a regulator making a decision on this one, I'd have to side with the casino.

I would tend to agree: one thread, one machine, one incident, no distracting confusions.
I do see however TWO issues:

The broken light bulb and also the casino's persistently taking money from the public knowing it would mislead and enhance their hopes that would be dashed.

I would say give him the four grand that he won but sweeten the deal though by no means by the full amount.

The 'M casino' (half way to California from the Strip) had a slot machine with its final
wheel installed backwards, they paid the indicated prize but paid it out of their general
fund, not the jackpot fund. It was a gift to atone for their error.

Quote: FleaStiff

I would say give him the four grand that he won but sweeten the deal though by no means by the full amount.

I agree that the regulators should be able to impose some kind of punitive damage in "malfunction" cases, like this, where the casino is at least partially to blame. In this case, assuming the orange really looked like a seven, I'd impose another $4,000 in damages. However, I've never heard of a casino regulatory body that does this -- it always ways one side or the other wins the full way, a policy that usually seems to cut the casino's way.

Quote: FleaStiff

I would tend to agree: one thread, one machine, one incident, no distracting confusions.
I do see however TWO issues:

The broken light bulb and also the casino's persistently taking money from the public knowing it would mislead and enhance their hopes that would be dashed.

I would say give him the four grand that he won but sweeten the deal though by no means by the full amount.

The 'M casino' (half way to California from the Strip) had a slot machine with its final
wheel installed backwards, they paid the indicated prize but paid it out of their general
fund, not the jackpot fund. It was a gift to atone for their error.

I am sure it came out of the salary they saved by terminating the technician who installed that reel.