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Mission146
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September 2nd, 2017 at 6:33:05 PM permalink
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Nope, I sure don't think so, not really. And I still can't fathom why anyone would think they must. I've done many similar things, some of which have been annual and semi-annual promos that have been going on for more than a decade, and no, most have not done what you insist they should. Most of them I've seen and participated in are particularly structured to reward tracked play, generally reflected in some kind of tier status, along with every other damn thing in most casinos most of the time from freeroll tourneys to room rates to buffet lines and parking spots to the price of a teacup in the gift shop. That's kinda the whole point of them. Duh.



I agree with almost all of that. My only problem is four Picks v. five Picks. I don't understand why this is difficult.

Let's say that you have top-tiers, but the way the promotion works is you pick cards with each card to consist of all of the NFL games. The card with the most Picks correct wins, but all of the games are on every card. You could give the high tiers ten cards free, twenty, thirty, fifty, I don't care, and give everyone else one. You could limit low tiers to five cards, doesn't matter. Each card effectively has an equal chance of winning.

That's my entire point. This promotion is almost like a drawing entry BUT each individual entry DOES NOT have an equal chance of winning.

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The only thing I'm finding ridiculous is the silly search for a way to feel somehow aggrieved.



I believe I would have had to have entered that casino at some point in, I don't know, my entire life, to be personally aggrieved.

Also, I read the general promotion material AND the specific terms, I thought that my initial posts in this thread made that pretty clear, but I guess not. I mean, I quoted and cited a few of them in part. Linked to the specifics.

Any notion of telling people that they only get four picks and others get five on the, "Front," information, and I would also be fine with this. A person could say, "Hey, four is less than five last time I checked, I don't want to play this."

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Other than the formatting after my copy & paste job, I'm not seeing anything particularly bent or broken about them. But if you really do somehow, or find looking at contest rules just too unsufferably burdensome, then don't go there for your free entries. Or do, and continue going out of your way to find opportunities to be outraged. Outraged! Unfair! Something must be done, at once, to keep me from being so oppressed and exploited! I might have 20% fewer free picks in a silly football contest than someone who has played there a lot more. Oh, the humanity! Somebody somewhere must save us from this horror, after not reading about who gets less or more of the freeplay!



Again, never been there, never plan to be. My concern on that one is for the average gambler, which I am not.
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September 2nd, 2017 at 11:16:24 PM permalink
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And I guarantee that someone childish enough to be greatly troubled by this is already mad, in a lather about imagining they are unfairly screwed out of whatever they imagine should be theirs by pretty much everybody and everything everywhere, always, every day of their lives, always have been, and always will be. Here is the complete list of ALL possible potential cures for that problem: Grow up.

At least you're coherent this time, I can understand whatever you're talking about. Usually I think it's some secret code you're communicating in, unless you're talking about horses. I haven't had time to go over whatever laws might cover this situation, one of the top search results is a PDF about ten pages long, which is quite difficult to read on a phone because of all the zooming in and moving around. I'm apt to believe this is not kosher, agreeing with Mission, there is no opportunity to come on equal terms. I usually don't play these, did not take it seriously last year and wont this year.

This is about right or wrong, legal or illegal, but it seems to come down to worldview for anyone not bothered by it. Just because people have seen worse or the same thing or similar, doesn't mean it was right then, so it's right now. It is not uncommon for the casino to have errors in the rules, they don't take them seriously like they should and it's totally possible they didn't even know how big an advantage they gave the EPs and Icons. I inherently knew it was bad, envisioning 5 coins versus 4 being flipped. Maybe they knew, maybe they didn't, they are not regulated by the state in an adversarial relationship, it really isnt, they're essentially self regulated. Last year like every place that runs these, people were entering friends and family 7 days a week, this is probably why the casino tried taking it away from freeloaders with no ADT to lose.
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September 7th, 2017 at 1:45:25 PM permalink
Somehow played 5 tickets, one of which is a fantasy football entry. Did not expect that, had no idea what to do. I just rushed through it all because time was short. Never even had time to look at a morning line.

They had a kiosk giveaway game which same play doubles for the football entries, the results seemed generous. Can't complain yet about that diamond spin promotion, seemed very generous. Lines were getting long, about the only problem, only three machines for the entire casino.
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September 7th, 2017 at 5:56:43 PM permalink
Short version: I thought you were allowed 4 or 5 individual game picks depending on tier, and that was the complaint. It appears, instead, reading the full TOC, you are picking (up to) a full slate of equal size 4 or 5 times. Is that correct?

If so, the former is unfair: the latter is not, IMO.
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September 7th, 2017 at 7:03:21 PM permalink
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Short version: I thought you were allowed 4 or 5 individual game picks depending on tier, and that was the complaint. It appears, instead, reading the full TOC, you are picking (up to) a full slate of equal size 4 or 5 times. Is that correct?

If so, the former is unfair: the latter is not, IMO.



That's not how I read it unless they tweaked it a little, ambiguous if that is the correct interpretation. Either way, if that is how it works, then it is perfectly fair. I would have liked to have seen the verbiage, "Pick All the Games," somewhere. That would have clarified things a lot.
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September 10th, 2017 at 8:12:28 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Short version: I thought you were allowed 4 or 5 individual game picks depending on tier, and that was the complaint. It appears, instead, reading the full TOC, you are picking (up to) a full slate of equal size 4 or 5 times. Is that correct?

If so, the former is unfair: the latter is not, IMO.

I'm not really sure how this is working now. Lots of confusion still exists. I dont think many top tier people even entered, there were not many entries total in the first place. Rules say you must enter every week to be eligible for the grand prize, final drawing, my estimate, only 300 people will be eligible total. Although the rules imply all entries are basically added together, I'm still not sure, but most people I've talked to believe they're considered individually and not cumulatively. The whole fantasy football pick might not be considered the extra pick, unsure. Producers might be getting a free extra pick, unsure. They always mess up with something, wish they took official rules seriously, because seriously, you cannot count on them being official. Not even mentioning how often the advertising is misleading and incomplete when official rules even are available.
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September 12th, 2017 at 3:29:43 PM permalink
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It wasn't a casino. However when I lived in the bay area, there was a contest put on by the sf giants and some company.

it was similar to one of those half court shot contests except the person who was chosen would face former MLB pitcher Vida Blue. Their task would be to hit a home run out of the giant's ball park.

If you don't really know much about baseball, this is an impossible task for the vast majority of the population. I'd guess that way less than 1% of people could ever do it. It's like saying, " win this drawing and if you can bench press 400 pounds you'll get $50,000"

There were ads for it constantly so I was in a perpetual state of rage.

I posted about the number one company in the country which insures these types of contests. Iirc, he has been charged by many jurisdictions for fraud and selling unlicensed insurance. Usually even if someone "won", they never received the prize, red tape and excuses, denied almost all winners.
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September 12th, 2017 at 4:06:43 PM permalink
As I mentioned, there was a Thursday night entry which was a fantasy football pick. You had to pick a QB, two RBs, a TE, two WRs, a place kicker, and a team for defense. This was the first entry you could pick. I have zero idea how this works, it is nowhere in the rules, nor are the prizes you can win when you come back between 6 and 8 PM every Thursday. This might be a problem, the same picks might be set in stone for the whole contest. I know a few people that would miss work coming in for this that didn't expect it. Might be possible this portion of the contest is only on Thursdays to enter, unsure right now.

As to the entries, my friend only had three regular football entries and one fantasy pick. I had four plus the fantasy pick entry. That isn't making sense right now to me how this happened. Either my friend lost a regular entry copy my friend entered, or never had a fourth entry. I know my friend played about 800 points this week, at least 600 after September 5th. I was there with them, dont think they forfeited the entry.
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September 17th, 2017 at 7:38:39 AM permalink
Been told each entry is considered separately, seems to be the case, that you couldn't have known reading the official rules, which make little sense and are poorly written, never proofread. It seems to be a fair contest, could not have known by reading the rules.

I'm still so confused. Website says to enter Tuesday-Thursday at 5pm, very incorrect. You in fact can enter Tuesday 9am-Thursday at 5pm. Not sure if you can enter during the off hours between 9pm and 9am those days.

Another rule says you must claim Tuesday 9am-9pm. But then next sentence says winners older than 1 week will not be honored. I'm thinking they'll be able to claim the whole week, because the names have been above the kiosks all week. Feels like a logic bomb reading these things, blows my mind.
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