Decent or large wins, have they come fast or taken awhile?

Most of my bigger wins have come on the first $20 that I put in the machine. I was wondering if some people are like that also or most of the other people took awhile? My biggest win $1750 came when I put $220 into the $5 double top dollar. I still had credits left after I cashed out. I think I had 13 or so left. That is still pretty quick considering $10 a spin. I so miss playing that but it is so dangerous to play. I lost $400 driving 4 hours to caushatta to play. 20-30 min and never a bonus.

Quote: krava

Most of my bigger wins have come on the first $20 that I put in the machine. I was wondering if some people are like that also or most of the other people took awhile? My biggest win $1750 came when I put $220 into the $5 double top dollar. I still had credits left after I cashed out. I think I had 13 or so left. That is still pretty quick considering $10 a spin. I so miss playing that but it is so dangerous to play. I lost $400 driving 4 hours to caushatta to play. 20-30 min and never a bonus.

Congrats Aimee, but you're describing variance.

Never play with haircut money.

Why is this person allowed to post?

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Why is this person allowed to post?

What would my grounds for a ban be, 'Discussing gambling?'

There are either shared IP's or there are not and there are not. If you want someone who has not violated any rules not to post, then might I suggest not responding in that person's threads, especially when that response calls for a response from an Admin.

Not sure what the problem is. I have been on boards for years. I am on Clublexus Acurazine Oakley Forum etc under this nick. I guess I don't ask good questions on here or something?

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Congrats Aimee, but you're describing variance.

I don't think that Krava is Aimee. Aimee was "Cutesy" whereas Krava comes off as serious.

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I don't think that Krava is Aimee. Aimee was "Cutesy" whereas Krava comes off as serious.

I +1 that. Krava also doesn't have a killer Avatar.

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I +1 that. Krava also doesn't have a killer Avatar.

Lol. Aimee's bikini avatar! :)

I don't believe the bikini avatar was the subject matter of the OP, is there anything to discuss with respect to the subject matter of the OP? I think slots are operated by an RNG and they hit when they hit, I don't believe they care how much money you stick in there or how long you play them for.

If you typically hop from machine to machine and put in $20 at a time, and only put more than that in a single machine every once in a while, then yes, I could see where it is more likely that you will hit a big win off of one of those twenties as opposed to loading it up with more. That should really come as no surprise.

For an example, look at reverse Martingaling the Pass Line at Craps, if I reverse Martingale with the goal of turning $5 into $80 300 times, and I do it with the goal of turning $20 into $80 three times, then I am more likely going to have more instances in which I was successful with the $5.

Probabilities:


Two-Step Reverse Martingale ($20-$40, to profit $60):

(.4929 * .4929) = .24295041

3 * .24295041 = 0.72885123

In three attempts, I am expected to succeed less than once.

Four-Step Reverse Martingale ($5-$10-$20-$40, to profit $75):

(.4929)^4 = 0.05902490171

0.05902490171 * 300 = 17.707470513

In three-hundred attempts, I expect to be successful about 17.7 times.

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Which means that if I do it three-hundred times, I am going to succeed with the four-step reverse marty much more often than I will with the two-step marty attempted three times.

And, when I do succeed, if I feel like being really silly, I could say, "Well, whoop-dee-do, look at me, I made $75 in profit with that four-step marty and a base bet of $5 compared to the two-step marty with a base bet of $20 that, I've, like, totally never won, amirite?"

And I could pat myself on the back and feel great about that except for a few things:

A.) If I've done it three-hundred times, of course I would succeed more often than doing the other three times.

AND

B.) Craps is a negative expectation game upon which the expected loss is whatever I bet on the Pass Line multiplied by the house edge, so in terms of expected loss, it will always be relative to my total overall action.

So, if you have fun playing slots and jumping around from machine to machine, then go ahead and do that. Unless you know what the return of each machine is, then you have no idea if your $20 is better in one machine than in another, but I seriously doubt any of the machines you are playing has a return of over 100%.

The one thing I can say is that, if you typically only put $20 in a machine and are making spins $2 at a time, or whatever it is, and if for every fifty times you would stick $20 in a machine and then move on if nothing hits you only stick $100, $200, $300, whatever, in a machine once or twice, yes, you are more likely to see a decent pay on one of the twenties.

But, it's not because the machine cares at all how much money you are sticking into it at one time. I can assure you, the machine, as a non-living entity, is completely unconcerned with that. It is because $20 fifty times represents $1,000 in total base bets and $100 nine or fewer times is $900 or less, $200 four or fewer times is $800 or less and $300 three or fewer times is $900 or less.

If you really want to prove your theory, or even that there is a potential theory to prove, then load a machine with $200 about five hundred times ($100,000 total) and log all of your results, play until each $200 is gone. After that, load $100 into a machine 1,000 times, and play until each $100 is gone, log the results of every spin. Finally, load $20 into a machine five thousand times and play until each twenty is gone, log the results of every spin.

If, after that, the $20's (with all starting amounts being equal) have resulted in a remarkably greater number of, 'Good hits,' then you might have gone somewhere towards proving your theory. Although, at $2 bets, that would be starting with 50,000 total base spins for each load level...so it still might not be enough data to absolutely PROVE anything.

Also, don't do that because it would be a complete waste of money. Further, don't do that because it would be all in an effort to prove a theory that is complete and total crap to begin with.

Either way, I thank you for the OP, and I am sure your casino of choice thanks you for your patronage, whether it be $20, $50, $100 or $200 at a time.

I had to blow some time today. I watched people play. I saw someone hit a $500 mark on a 3 credit machine after sitting there 15 min and he continued. I also saw some lady play a 5 line $1 machine and run it up to almost $1000 after putting $100 in. She hit Triple 7 stars then hit triple double 7's again just minutes later. I saw all this winning and decided to play. I was up $10 and then i lost control. The best hit of the day was bar bar bar and I lost $200. It was suppose to be $50 max but I lost $200. I had $600 in my pocket though. I need to take a break from this because of losing control. I was chasing my money trying to just win some of it back. Hell I had a $45 ticket cashout tito in my wallet I went to go and cash it out and leave and ended up sticking it in a machine and losing it all. That sounds like a start of a problem so I need to fix that. I have no idea what came over me.

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I had to blow some time today. I watched people play. I saw someone hit a $500 mark on a 3 credit machine after sitting there 15 min and he continued. I also saw some lady play a 5 line $1 machine and run it up to almost $1000 after putting $100 in. She hit Triple 7 stars then hit triple double 7's again just minutes later. I saw all this winning and decided to play. I was up $10 and then i lost control. The best hit of the day was bar bar bar and I lost $200. It was suppose to be $50 max but I lost $200. I had $600 in my pocket though. I need to take a break from this because of losing control. I was chasing my money trying to just win some of it back. Hell I had a $45 ticket cashout tito in my wallet I went to go and cash it out and leave and ended up sticking it in a machine and losing it all. That sounds like a start of a problem so I need to fix that. I have no idea what came over me.

nsfw, you think you're addicted

Quote: krava

Most of my bigger wins have come on the first $20 that I put in the machine.

My biggest win ($15K+) came on my 1st bet on a machine. And I've had many 4-figure wins on 1st bet.

Often I hit a bonus or something nice on my 1st spin, so I may max bet on my 1st bet on a machine (as long as it is reasonable - not if max bet is $3,000, or if I only need to play minimum bet to drop a bonus). Mathematically, if I play a LOT of games, some of the big wins will be on the 1st spin.

One friend hit a $120K casino-wide progressive ($75K-150K) on his 2nd bet (Video BJ at a bar).

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You can get creative.

One guy played 10 dollar machines at once (convenient at one casino because they were all in a circle). He would put $10 in each one, play them all in sequence, and he would be left playing a few winning games. (Wouldn't fees the losers with more money).

Quote: krava

That sounds like a start of a problem so I need to fix that. I have no idea what came over me.

Don't worry. It certainly is not the start of a problem.
If you've no idea what came over you, you need to do some research.

Quote: krava

I had to blow some time today. I watched people play. I saw someone hit a $500 mark on a 3 credit machine after sitting there 15 min and he continued. I also saw some lady play a 5 line $1 machine and run it up to almost $1000 after putting $100 in. She hit Triple 7 stars then hit triple double 7's again just minutes later. I saw all this winning and decided to play. I was up $10 and then i lost control. The best hit of the day was bar bar bar and I lost $200. It was suppose to be $50 max but I lost $200. I had $600 in my pocket though. I need to take a break from this because of losing control. I was chasing my money trying to just win some of it back. Hell I had a $45 ticket cashout tito in my wallet I went to go and cash it out and leave and ended up sticking it in a machine and losing it all. That sounds like a start of a problem so I need to fix that. I have no idea what came over me.

Admitting you have a gambling problem on WOV can and has lead to being banned. A gambling forum is the last place someone who has a problem should be.

I find it creepy that you know how much people are putting in and also that you watch them play for what seems like 30 or more minutes.

Watching people gives me an idea if it is worth it or not. If no one is hitting anything then not worth playing. This doesn't apply to alot of people. alot of people drive a long way to go there so they will play no matter what. It takes me 10 min to get home. i can play or not play.

How long are you in there for? My longest sessions are 30 minutes. If I can't hit anything in 30 min then I am saying it isn't a good day. I just hate when the machines give you 0. I had several machines I stuck $20 in and 10 pulls and 0 credits each time. I am taking time off though. I am going to keep these wins for a bit. I have something else coming up i need to focus on more then this.

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How long are you in there for? My longest sessions are 30 minutes. If I can't hit anything in 30 min then I am saying it isn't a good day. I just hate when the machines give you 0. I had several machines I stuck $20 in and 10 pulls and 0 credits each time. I am taking time off though. I am going to keep these wins for a bit. I have something else coming up i need to focus on more then this.

You should consider taking the rest of your life off. What's the hit rate on the machines you're playing? Single-Liners, right? Probably around 20%, maybe even less, I don't expect you to actually know.

I just find it surprising that you or anyone else would believe that whiffing ten consecutive spins is all that shocking. If you put a twenty in a machine with an 20% hit rate playing $2 a spin, you're expected to whiff every spin almost one in nine occasions.

I played, 'Ugly Ducks,' Deuces Wild just the other day, .443611 hit rate. Whiffed fifteen consecutive hands, about 1:6,597 to go that, didn't really bat an eye, found it curious. You play a game enough, strange things happen, but they're not really strange because you've played enough.

Either way, thank you for your post and the casino and any AP's who go to that casino thank you for your patronage.

Quote: krava

Watching people gives me an idea if it is worth it or not.

That's absolutely nonsense! What you observe gives you no clue whatsoever if it's worth playing.
The stated RTP is the only indicator of that, and the RTP is always less than 100%, so none of the machines are ever worth playing. . . Unless you put a definite value on the amount of flashing lights and bells and whistles that you see as the game sucks in money.

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If no one is hitting anything then not worth playing.

Let me correct that for you.

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It's NOT worth playing

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I can play or not play.

Let me correct that for you.

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I can not NOT play.

Now stop being so silly. Go to your local gambleaware session, and cancel your account here.

Clearly as someone said on the first page- you have a problem and should not gamble

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Clearly as someone said on the first page- you have a problem and should not gamble

Hmm. Not sure about that. Krava said he only plays with money set aside just for gambling. A problem gambler plays with money they need.

Quote: krava

It was suppose to be $50 max but I lost $200...I need to take a break from this because of losing control...I was chasing my money trying to just win some of it back...Hell I had a $45 ticket cashout tito in my wallet I went to go and cash it out and leave and ended up sticking it in a machine and losing it all...That sounds like a start of a problem so I need to fix that. I have no idea what came over me.

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Reading comprehension is our friend.

Quote: krava

Watching people gives me an idea if it is worth it or not.

Not unless you have some special inside information or something like that. It's obvious that you don't, or you would not be taking about it, and you would have more than 70k or whatever you claim to have. If you do have 70k, I suggest you learn how to advantage Play as a hobby or do something worth while that you enjoy. If you keep messing with slots you will seriously regret it one day. One day will come sooner than you think. It's a slippery slope, wize up or get out while you can.

Quote: krava

Most of my bigger wins have come on the first $20 that I put in the machine. I was wondering if some people are like that also or most of the other people took awhile? My biggest win $1750 came when I put $220 into the $5 double top dollar. I still had credits left after I cashed out. I think I had 13 or so left. That is still pretty quick considering $10 a spin. I so miss playing that but it is so dangerous to play. I lost $400 driving 4 hours to caushatta to play. 20-30 min and never a bonus.

Of course! You put more first 20's in a machine than 2nd or third, etc, unless you never quit after one 20.

I went to this website: http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/content/20-questions

Only checked off 1. Ever felt remorse after gambling. I believe that everyone has felt that especially if they lost. The only other possible one would be ever felt like you should return as fast as possible to win back what you lost. I am able to accept losses. I was down the other day $140 (if you count the $20 in the machine). I hit bar bar bar for $20 and then few spins later hit double double bar bar for $80 and it was at 108 credits. I got off the machine and walked out -32. I went in there to try to get up by $50. If I was up by $40 I would have walked out. I put the $10 free play thing in and $0. Put $20 into the same machine $0. Went to other machines didn't get anything and several machines $0 for the whole $20. My thoughts were, I will hopefully get lucky the next time I come back. Most people can't walk out just winning a little money, some people can't walk out when they are losing. I try a little bit to see what is going on and then if it doesn't work out then I leave. Also I don't play with money that is "mine". Technically money that I won is already mine. Maybe I should use another word. Maybe money I already have won? If I am not currently ahead with the casino in money I won, I won't go. Alot of this is for fun too. Sometimes it is nerve racking etc.

People in this forum love getting played - it just amazes me

The people who feel remorse after gambling are the ones playing with money they shouldn't be and losing it. A woman told me that she stuck her rent money in a slot machine and lost it. She was crying,"That was my rent money I lost! I am screwed for this momth!" You have screwed up priorities if you risk not having your rent payed for a month just so you can go play a slot machine!

And the ghost of kentry seems to love in this thread

I won $25 at a casino once

Got a haircut. This was after reading kentry's haircut fiasco so I thought it was funny.

I don't think that you are describing remorse correctly. Maybe you are thinking BIG remorse or something. I went to Dallas a few days ago and played a $5 scratch off. I lost and wished I didn't play it. I go out to eat and eat too much and have remorse for over eating. I go bowling and miss a spare I should have got and have remorse that I missed the stupid spare (by having my hand pull up instead of flat). My definition of remorse means I am pissed off that I did something. If that is not the correct definition then I don't have remorse.

On another note. I went to the casino today. I put $20 into a 3 coin 25c 3x4x5x machine. Got down to about 15 credits or so and hit a 2x for 2X the bet so 6 credits on 3 credit machine. I continued to play and played it out. With $20 you get 80 credits. I got the lowest thing you can possibly hit 1 time out of hitting the button what 86/3 whatever that is times?? I was pissed. Went to the $1 machines because I thought I was going to lose quick tonight. I put $20 into the same type of machine but 2 credits. I hit 2 things on it and cashed out at $22 (up $2). Went to the 4x5x6x machine put $40 into it and got $0 not 1 damn hit. Went into the back to play the exact same machine. I put $20 into it got down to $8 and hit bar 3x bar for $60 and got the hell off and was currently even at that point. I went over to the 12 times pay machine. I said we won't count this as playing because the odds are so bad on it. I put $20 into the thing and I hit bar bar bar once and then a few spins later hit cherry 12x just like I have done once before. I cashed out the ticket at $122. I then went back over to the machine that ate my 2 $20's up (the one I have hit the biggest wins on), put another $20 into it and only got mixed bars one time nothing else. I then put another $20 into it (4th $20 ) and then spin a few spins and hit bar 3x 6x for 360 credits (I thought it was for more at first) and then cashed the ticket out at $370. So for the night I left $432 up. I lost about $280 of the $500 I won the other day because of that $200 splurge that night. I saw someone land on triple luckly blue 7 triple lucky with only 1 credit in the machine. I am not sure how much that was. After winning I stayed another 20-30 min to watch others lose for a bit. So the answer to the question is that a hit can occur at any time. It is just nicer when it hits really fast.

Absurd

Well, Krava, remorse is feeling bad for doing something you shouldn't have. Being pissed off after losing money in a gambling game could be regret.

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