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Oh thats ugly. I wrote a long introduction and lost the window lol. I am not typing all that out again. Here is a play I may have found at 16.5x the starting jackpot. I'll find more information about it soon enough but I don't see myself locking down the machine so might as well share it with the community to see what anyone thinks. Triple Triple Diamond at 2 dollars a spin and I think the jackpot starts at 10k. I think they moved money from some closed down machine to this one but I have to talk to slots first to confirm. Hopefully someone here will chime in. There was a jackpot at the California for years that maxed out at 99,999 that someone finally hit a year or so ago. They lied to me telling me that they would have a backup but when it hit it reset back to the original 5k. I guess they just locked up all that money for 5 to 10 years.

This machine is at $165,640.00 last I seen two days ago.

The LED meter looks to be improperly installed. Are you sure it's properly configured? The last thing you want to do is find out "whoops, we used the wrong setting, that should be $16,564."

Edit: also, unless you know how big the reels are, you don't really know how much the extra meter pushes up the RTP. I've seen sales slicks that indicate some of those models have 200-length reels. If that's true, (155640/2)/(200^3) is only an extra 1% on the game compared to the reset of 10k.

You bring up valid points. As I said, I need to investigate a little more. I'll just talk to slots when they have the clipboard out. This play... if it is a play would take days maybe months to spin it off. I probably won't mess with it. I might fire a few grand at it to keep up my mail and take a shot. This is why I posted it publicly. My gut tells me it's a win but not worth my effort. For another player it could be something they would pay people to hammer. I doubt anyone is interested but at least I'm trying to talk about possible plays in real casinos instead of things like politics and the weather. I'm happy to at least see someone post something about what they think... so I say thanks to you Math X!

That is a YUUUUUUUGE payout.... sorry couldn't resist one political joke....

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That is a YUUUUUUUGE payout.... sorry couldn't resist one political joke....

Ha Ha ... no doubt. It is possible the progressive starts at 12,500. I'll find out for sure soon. The 165,640 is correct and the LED sign is crooked and needs fixed ... stand by for station identification.

Guess it's been that high for awhile. Talked to a mechanic and he claims they moved the machine around 5 times. They dumped over 100k in it a year or so ago. Only two or three people play it from time to time. Probably on TC point day or something like that. The mechanic claims it starts at 10k flat.

Meadows had a 2 coin ten dollar machine over a million. Think all of a sudden, they started advertising it around $600,000. Think it reset at $20,000, never was sure where the money came from, but it was too expensive for me to play either way.

One area I'll admit I'm weaker is progressive slots... but if anyone is up for discussion I think I have a good general idea but would love to know how you personally calculate something like this. On Must Hits, it's easy to find the penny cost, calculate the pennies left, and look at your total action - negative expected value of the game and then see if you're in the profits.... However on progressives as ME pointed out it depends on the reels because I'd assume the number of possible combinations. Is the idea on progressive slots to figure out the odds of hitting the progressive (1 in X) and then if the progressive is a certain amount over X it's worth the play? How would one go about figuring the standard deviations surrounding the EV to ensure one was properly bankrolled for the progressive slot? I should be able to work this out I suppose, but just curious if anyone was willing to share some basic info.

I have some places near me that are SLOTS only, and I've walked by banks thinking "this has to be a good progressive play" because there will be 5 of the same machines, and 4 of their progressives are at ~10k (clearly the starting point) and one will be at like $110k... but I wouldn't jump on something like that without running whether or not I was properly bankrolled first, etc.

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I have some places near me that are SLOTS only, and I've walked by banks thinking "this has to be a good progressive play" because there will be 5 of the same machines, and 4 of their progressives are at ~10k (clearly the starting point) and one will be at like $110k... but I wouldn't jump on something like that without running whether or not I was properly bankrolled first, etc.

Probably, but not necessarily. I'll give you a non-slot example to demonstrate.

Let's look at this Ten-Spot Keno Paytable:

Hit---Pay

0---0
1---0
2---0
3---0
4---1
5---5
6---25
7---100
8---500
9---1000
10---5000

Okay, now we'll say that the 10/10 is a Progressive, but the above is a base paytable. The base game returns about 92.695%. If I make the 10/10 110,000, that brings the game up to about 93.873%. The cycle on a 10/10 is 1 in 8,911,711.18, so the additional 105,000 unit return doesn't help that much.

SLOTS:

Slots can be about the same. Overall, the Base Return on a Quick Hits Platinum could be set to 92.09%, which is in the middle of the five settings for one of the specific ones...but I forget which one. Doesn't matter. The probability of Nine Quick Hits is 1 in 2,073,600. The result pays 2,000x the total bet at base. If the total bet is $1.50, then the base is $3,000. If the Progressive is at $110,000 for that one, that would be about 73,333x the amount bet.

The return (in terms of bet amount) of the 9QH result at base is 2000 * (1/2073600) = 0.00096450617x the amount bet.

The machine at $110,000 would pay 73,333 * (1/2073600) = 0.03536506558x the amount bet for that result.

The base return on the amount bet with no change to Progressives is .9209, so with this change it would be .9209 + (.03536506558-.00096450617) = 0.95530055941

So, you would be taking a machine with a base of $3,000 on that top jackpot, that you very rarely see over $10,000, and you'd still be eating almost 4.5% if you played that with the top jackpot (assuming no other jackpot changes) at $110,000.

I'm not saying this is always the case, machines with better top jackpot probabilities simply make up for it with less of the overall pay devoted to other results. I'm just saying that the difference between 10k and 110k on a top prize will not always be the difference between a playable and unplayable machine.

Played slot progressives, they are boring. If you can turbo the game it's not too bad if it's a low cycle. Prepare for a viper pit of vultures circling around the prey.