Konami Credit Prize vs Free Game
Quote: MoosetonIIRC it was DRICH who said to go for the free games. His posts are reliable, my memory not so much.
Yeah, that's what he said, but I forgot in what thread he said it in. I would like to know where he got that info. Did he sneak-a-peek at a PAR? Personally I'm surprised that credits would be worse return. I guess they would either be equal or better on average return (with lower variance than the free spins of course). Doesn't the casino want to not have bonus rounds that last forever, and ever?? On the biggest bonuses, you just stopped your machine's coin-in for an ~hour, except for the degenerates that start gambling on the next machine over while the spins play out of course.
Quote: tringlomaneYeah, that's what he said, but I forgot in what thread he said it in. I would like to know where he got that info. Did he sneak-a-peek at a PAR? Personally I'm surprised that credits would be worse return. I guess they would either be equal or better on average return (with lower variance than the free spins of course). Doesn't the casino want to not have bonus rounds that last forever, and ever?? On the biggest bonuses, you just stopped your machine's coin-in for an ~hour, except for the degenerates that start gambling on the next machine over while the spins play out of course.
My information was based on games from companies that I worked with. Taking the instant prize was worth 50% to 60% of the free spins.
Certainly I can think of situations where that WOULDN'T ALWAYS be the correct move. IE a slot bonus that requires x amount of coins, and your credit bonus offer amount is that or over the amount needed.Quote: WizardofnothingI would ALWAYS TAKE the free games
Quote: DRichMy information was based on games from companies that I worked with. Taking the instant prize was worth 50% to 60% of the free spins.
Was the motivation behind that ever explained ? I would think it would be beneficial to the casino to have it opposite, free spins are taking up time on machine with no coin in; the instant prize has people back to spending money a lot quicker.
Quote: DiscreteMaths2Was the motivation behind that ever explained ? I would think it would be beneficial to the casino to have it opposite, free spins are taking up time on machine with no coin in; the instant prize has people back to spending money a lot quicker.
No, I never heard an explanation but I would speculate that the many of people who are taking the instant win are more likely to cash out because they have a "big" win. The players that take the free spins are more likely enjoying the game and will probably continue playing.
I did advocate for the instant win prize to be raised closer to the expected return of the free spins.
Quote: DRichNo, I never heard an explanation but I would speculate that the many of people who are taking the instant win are more likely to cash out because they have a "big" win. The players that take the free spins are more likely enjoying the game and will probably continue playing.
I did advocate for the instant win prize to be raised closer to the expected return of the free spins.
That might be the logic, but I'm not sure how sound it is. People like to quit after finishing free spin bonuses as well.
I would agree they should be equal EV or at least close, 50% to 60% is pretty nuts. I would think a few jurisdictions (NJ for example) would legally need to point out which option gave the better return in a help screen at least. And with the Konami games, this would make a huge difference, the bonus is a MAJOR part of the return. Probably enough where if the credit prize was only 50%-60% of the free spin EV, then always picking the credit prize would drop the EV of the machine to below 75%.
where can I buy your book? It's common sense spins pay more, people here are confirming it, yet you know better. No that's not right at all unless someone is dying in the hospital.Quote: NathanIt's best to do both. Say you get 500 free spins playing the max bet at $3 and on spin 250 you have accumalated $1,000. You then can stop and see the credit prize that says "Minimum prize is $100. Max prize is $5,000. You pick credit prize and end up with another $1,000. So you now have a $2,000 handpay by playing half free spins and half credits prize.
SOMEONE ON THE JNTERNET??? Someone on the internet also said their mom was going to beat their ass
What country are you in? If you've ever been to America, every casino has Konami. Just look up Konami slots on YouTube.Quote: ProfessorSlotNever knew konami have a slot game. I only known konami as a video game maker. I wonder how good is a konami slot and how much will I make playing konami slots.
Quote: ProfessorSlotNever knew konami have a slot game. I only known konami as a video game maker. I wonder how good is a konami slot and how much will I lose playing konami slots.
I fixed your quote.
Quote: rsactuaryI fixed your quote.
A lot of Konami slots are beatable.
Quote: IbeatyouracesA lot of Konami slots are beatable.
Based on the original statement, he wouldn't know that up front though.
name 50.Quote: IbeatyouracesA lot of Konami slots are beatable.
Quote: AxelWolfname 50.
I would imagine the list of unbeatable slots is shorter. They are real big on their "Stepper" design of multiple progressive jackpots. Just don't play vanilla China Mystery or China Shores and stuff like that which are just the video versions of your traditional reel slots in terms of potential returns.
I wasn't thinking in terms of progessives.Quote: DiscreteMaths2I would imagine the list of unbeatable slots is shorter. They are real big on their "Stepper" design of multiple progressive jackpots. Just don't play vanilla China Mystery or China Shores and stuff like that which are just the video versions of your traditional reel slots in terms of potential returns.
If you count the progessives most of them at some point can become +EV.
