Accumulator Slots
But the golden age of accumulator slots is long gone. At one time there were some casinos that 20% or 25% of their inventory was accumultor slots. When Bellagio opened there were accumulator slots galore. But there was some bad press over these games. He didn't do the same thing at Wynn. I got to Wynn about 8 hours after they opened the doors. I walked the whole casino floor and found not one accumulator slot.
But even though the golden age is over these type games still keep popping up. The person with the knowledge and experience has a big leg up on everyone else when it comes to analyzing these games. Every time a new game hits the casino floor its gonna get at least a cursory examination by me. With 95% of the new games it only takes me a few seconds to determine that there is nothing there. But if I see progressive meters or banking features then then I'm gonna give the game a full examination for potential exploitablity.
This is a list of games from back in the day.
WILLIAMS:
Piggy Bankin'
Shopping Spree
X-Factor
Safecracker
Vacation
Silicon Gaming's Oddyssey Machines:
Fort Knox
Lady of Fortune
Riddle of the Sphinx
Buccaneer Gold
Bonus Playoff (an accumulator video poker game.)
IGT VISION SERIES:
Double Diamond Mine
Triple Diamond Mine
Fishin' For Cash
Baseball
Slot Bingo
Money Factory
Wild Cherry Pie
Wild Cherry Bonus Pie
Diamond Thief
Jewel In The Crown
Good Times
Racing 7's
Balloon Bars
Mystery Bonus
Times Pay
Five Card Instant Bingo (not Vision Series)
Kool Kat
Green Stamps (not Vision Series)
Red Hot Jackpots (not Vision Series)
Temperature's Rising.
I'm sure there are a few games that I've forgotten about and if my memory gets jogged I'll add them to the list. Or if you think of any let me know.
There were also accumulator video poker games. Obviously, any progressive vp game is accumulator. But Sigma had accumulator vp games that were easily exploitable. Games like:
Flush Attack
House a' Rockin'
The Maxx
Jackpot Card
I've found pictures of a lot of these games online. I'll post pictures where I can....and give you my take on the game.
Being just some schmoe wandering around a casino, the larger implications of what had just happened were lost on me. I knew what happened, but not what it meant in the larger picture. And anyhow I probably don't have the personality for AP machine play (see my explanation in the "completely honest" topic).
I still look for the Rock Around the Clock machine everywhere I go, though. Anything past 7PM.
Quote: sabreIn your opinion, was the demise of these types of games inevitable? Could the APs exploiting those games at say the Bellagio have done so in a way that would have preserved their longevity?
Some people got really stupid in Bellagio. Charles Lund was the first culprit. You know, the author of "Robbing The One-Armed Bandits." No one ever like Lund. He was a cheap dirty B******. Axel can tell you some stories. Lund and his old lady were working the Money Maze at Bellagio. According to him they were knocking down $1000 a day. They were slant tops and the lids had a habit of popping open when a floor person closed the machine. One day Lund pointed out to a floor person that one of the lids was opened. The floor person thanked him and gave him and his old lady buffet comps. The next time Lund seen a lid open he called the floor person over, told them, then demanded two more buffet comps. He made the biggest mistake in the book. He brought attention to himself. They got to scrutinizing him. They seen him and his old lady in there everyday and cashing out lots of buckets of coins. They 86'd him.
Lund also got 86'd from the Tropicana. I had a friend in there, Tony, who was working the dollar Piggy Bankin'. Tony was pretty slick. He tipped off the cocktail waitresses bigtime and glad handed the security guards. He was a favorite in the casino. Lund was his competition. Lund was so cheap he wouldn't even tip a dime for a cup of coffee. To which the cocktail waitresses told security about a guy who was in there every day winning money and not tipping a dime. One day Tony was sweating a tourist playing a Pig. When the tourist got up Lund came flying from behind a bank of machines and plopped down in the chair before Tony could. Tony let it go. But then Lund did it again. Tony got pissed. He told security what happened. Lund got 86'd.
Lund was the editor of a retirement rag. I think it was called the Vegas Valley News. Lund started writing derogatory articles about Bellagio and Tropicana over the accumulator slots. The story got big enough to make the Las Vegas Review Journal. I'm sure it caught the attention of casino execs all up and down the strip. To end the controversy Tropicana removed the Pigs.
Then there was a knife fight in Bellagio between a Vietnamese and a Chinese over a dollar Wild Cherry Bonus Pie. One guy went to the hospital and the other guy went to jail. I suppose Wynn got pissed about it. When Wynn Las Vegas opened there wasn't one accumulator slot to be found.
I'll start with a simple one.
http://toplineslotmachines.com/?attachment_id=599
In the picture you will see the LED screen up top with three colums or "mine shafts." The left hand column has two diamonds in it. The center column has two diamonds in it. And the right column has 4 diamonds in it. And you will see that in the screen there is a diamond symbol in the upper left corner and a diamond symbol in the lower right corner.
If you are betting one coin and the diamond symbol lands on the line of the first reel one more diamond will be added to the 1st column. If you are betting two coins it will drop two diamonds into the column. The second and third reels and columns work the same way. When you collect ten diamonds in a column you recieve a ten coin bonus and the column will empty out.
I did a 2000 spin empirical on how often the diamonds land on the line. Basically counting spins and the number of times the diamonds land on the line. I put the frequency for the first reel at 19, second reel 13, third reel 12.
I took the ballpark number of 90% for the overall payback of the game. I could be off a few points either way but in the end it wouldn't matter.
So with the first reel it takes an average of 190 coin in to get the ten coin bonus....10/190 = 5.26%
With the second rell it takes 130 coin in to get the ten coin bonus....10/130 = 7.7%
With the third reel it takes 120 coin in to get the ten coin bonus....10/120 = 8.33%
So the diamonds represent 21.3% of the payback. That means the line pays are worth 68.7% of the payback.
There were several different configurations one could find in the columns on the LED screen to play. But I'll do the easy one here. What if you walk up to this machine and find 9 diamonds in the third column?
An average of 12 coin in will get you a ten coin bonus. 10/12 = 83.33%
83.33% plus 68.7% means you have a 152% play. On a dollar machine you are not talking about a big win here, about $6. But what if you are getting a dozen plays a day on this game? The money adds up.
The math is not perfect here. Its an approximation. But who cares if you are off a couple of points when you are working such a big edge?
This game was a damn good money maker on dollars.
http://laslots.com/details.php?model=Vision-Series&game=Kool-Kat
I can't get this link to work so google Kool Kat Slot Game and take a look at the picture.
Anyways, this game was a money maker. You might have to download the picture to get a better view of the game. Up on the LED screen you should be able to see a cat sitting there with a crown on his head. And to his left you will see three columns of hats. In the picture the game is in bonus mode because the cat has a crown on his head. In non-bonus mode the cat has a hat on his head. Down on the reels you will see the Kool Kat symbol on the second reel just above the line. This symbol is on all three reels.
This game in the picture is what we called a "thirty spinner." There were other versions like "sixty spinners" and "one-twemty spinners."
In the picture you will see that there are several hats and 45 coins in the first column. This is a play on a thirty spinner. In non-bonus mode when you catch the Kool Kat symbol on the line betting one coin it will put 3 coins in the corresponding column. If betting two coins it will put 6 coins in the corresponding column. Betting 3 coins it will put 9 coins in the corresponding columns.
So the tourist ploppies usually bet three coins and drove the number of coins in the columns way up. And when they would walk away I would come in behind them if at least one column had 36 coins in it. And I would only bet one coin at a time.
Every 36 coin in the game would go into bonus mode. The cat would pull his hat off and put on a crown. The next Kool Kat symbol that landed on a line you got the coins in the corresponding column. And that column would start back over at zero. So it would take an average of 3 times through to get the column with the most coins in it.
In the case in the picture I'm going to play until I take down the 45 coin column. Then I would quit the play unless another column developed to at least 36 coins.
The great thing about this play was the 7's hits came in. From the blue sevens all the way up through the red sevens.
This is another one where I can't get the link to work. So google californiaslots.com/jewel in the crown to get a quick look at the machine.
In the picture you can see that one green jewel is lit up, and one blue jewel is lit up. On the third reel you can see a single bar just above the line with a tiny green jewel on one end of it. If that symbol had landed on the line it would light up one more green jewel. And if you collect three green jewels you get a 100 coin bonus.
The jewels of other colors worked the same way. The standard play on this game was to spin it off if you found two blue jewels banked, two green jewels banked, or two jewels banked in the top line.
Three blue jewels payed a 25 coin bonus.
Three green jewels payed a 100 coin bonus.
Three jewels in the top line payed a 1000 coin bonus.
And I also spun it off if I found two red jewels banked for the 10 coin bonus. This play usually showed a tiny loss. But there was a reason for doing this. When I hit a bonus I always made one more spin. Because sometimes the game would randomly come back with jewels already banked. Most of the time it didn't. But occasionally it would come back with two blue jewels banked, or two green jewels banked, or even two jewels banked in the top line hit.
This game was usually in dollars. But MGM had a $10 denom game in the high roller room.
Quote: mickeycrimmJEWEL IN THE CROWN
This game was usually in dollars. But MGM had a $10 denom game in the high roller room.
Would love to hear your adventures on the $10 machine. Did you find the same volume of plays? Obviously it took at a higher bankroll but the money to be made was huge. Can you remember a larger play on a high denomination machine than this? Or were the value plays so rare you could make more on lower machines in the same amount of time?
Quote: BozWould love to hear your adventures on the $10 machine. Did you find the same volume of plays? Obviously it took at a higher bankroll but the money to be made was huge. Can you remember a larger play on a high denomination machine than this? Or were the value plays so rare you could make more on lower machines in the same amount of time?
I only got a couple of plays at the MGM and didn't hit anything big. I didn't hang out much at MGM at the time because the Chinese had the place monopolized. The one machine I played the most was a dollar machine at the 4 Queens.
Quote: onenickelmiracleSome game called sphinx I saw on Youtube has bonuses to collect but resets progress completely if cashed out.
The one I saw reset if the credit balance fell below 1 credit for more than 20 (30?) seconds. There was a display showing the countdown to bonus reset, encouraging someone to feed it.
If you're going to pick it, you need to jump in swiftly.
couldn't tell from the video, but thanks for clarification, though essentially the same.Quote: DieterThe one I saw reset if the credit balance fell below 1 credit for more than 20 (30?) seconds. There was a display showing the countdown to bonus reset, encouraging someone to feed it.
If you're going to pick it, you need to jump in swiftly.
Quote: DieterThe one I saw reset if the credit balance fell below 1 credit for more than 20 (30?) seconds. There was a display showing the countdown to bonus reset, encouraging someone to feed it. If you're going to pick it, you need to jump in swiftly.
This would be an anomaly to me. There is a regulation about "altering the outcome of a game" in Nevada. It's not allowed. Was this an online game or something like that?
Quote: mickeycrimmI used to call them bonus machines. Then I ran across the term "advantage slots." I think the term may have been coined by Stanford Wong. I don't think the term is descriptive to the uninitiated. Then in a post right here on WoV, MathExtremist used the term "accumulator slots." He specifically said that he and his company had quit designing accumulator type games because of guys like me. I think this is a great term and more descriptive than any other.
But the golden age of accumulator slots is long gone. At one time there were some casinos that 20% or 25% of their inventory was accumultor slots. When Bellagio opened there were accumulator slots galore. But there was some bad press over these games. He didn't do the same thing at Wynn. I got to Wynn about 8 hours after they opened the doors. I walked the whole casino floor and found not one accumulator slot.
But even though the golden age is over these type games still keep popping up. The person with the knowledge and experience has a big leg up on everyone else when it comes to analyzing these games. Every time a new game hits the casino floor its gonna get at least a cursory examination by me. With 95% of the new games it only takes me a few seconds to determine that there is nothing there. But if I see progressive meters or banking features then then I'm gonna give the game a full examination for potential exploitablity.
This is a list of games from back in the day.
WILLIAMS:
Piggy Bankin'
Shopping Spree
X-Factor
Safecracker
Vacation
Silicon Gaming's Oddyssey Machines:
Fort Knox
Lady of Fortune
Riddle of the Sphinx
Buccaneer Gold
Bonus Playoff (an accumulator video poker game.)
IGT VISION SERIES:
Double Diamond Mine
Triple Diamond Mine
Fishin' For Cash
Baseball
Slot Bingo
Money Factory
Wild Cherry Pie
Wild Cherry Bonus Pie
Diamond Thief
Jewel In The Crown
Good Times
Racing 7's
Balloon Bars
Mystery Bonus
Times Pay
Five Card Instant Bingo (not Vision Series)
Kool Kat
Green Stamps (not Vision Series)
Red Hot Jackpots (not Vision Series)
Temperature's Rising.
I'm sure there are a few games that I've forgotten about and if my memory gets jogged I'll add them to the list. Or if you think of any let me know.
There were also accumulator video poker games. Obviously, any progressive vp game is accumulator. But Sigma had accumulator vp games that were easily exploitable. Games like:
Flush Attack
House a' Rockin'
The Maxx
Jackpot Card
I've found pictures of a lot of these games online. I'll post pictures where I can....and give you my take on the game.
I put a similar list up with a half assed, poorly written timeline, but I can't find it. I Can't remember if I added individual Vision names or lumped them all in together Some were basically the same just a different theme.
I added a few really good things like Super Patriot, Bonus Run, Net-pay and a few others. It's impossible to remember all the different games.
They had a rare Video poker game. 2 at Palace Station and Riverside , I can't remember the name(anyone?). It wasn't linked nor did it accumulate. It wasn't an obvious advantage, you had to play it for a while to figure it out. I only seen one guy ever taking advantage of it. You could play slow and time the bonus round. The bonus round gave you about 14 seconds with all hands getting multipliers you could play it all day with an advantage. It was a fun game. I didn't play it much because there were better things going on.
Very lucrative game, with 2 green jewels lit up. Finding just a few a day was enough to make a fair day.Quote: mickeycrimmJEWEL IN THE CROWN
This is another one where I can't get the link to work. So google californiaslots.com/jewel in the crown to get a quick look at the machine.
In the picture you can see that one green jewel is lit up, and one blue jewel is lit up. On the third reel you can see a single bar just above the line with a tiny green jewel on one end of it. If that symbol had landed on the line it would light up one more green jewel. And if you collect three green jewels you get a 100 coin bonus.
The jewels of other colors worked the same way. The standard play on this game was to spin it off if you found two blue jewels banked, two green jewels banked, or two jewels banked in the top line.
Three blue jewels payed a 25 coin bonus.
Three green jewels payed a 100 coin bonus.
Three jewels in the top line payed a 1000 coin bonus.
And I also spun it off if I found two red jewels banked for the 10 coin bonus. This play usually showed a tiny loss. But there was a reason for doing this. When I hit a bonus I always made one more spin. Because sometimes the game would randomly come back with jewels already banked. Most of the time it didn't. But occasionally it would come back with two blue jewels banked, or two green jewels banked, or even two jewels banked in the top line hit.
This game was usually in dollars. But MGM had a $10 denom game in the high roller room.
Quote: AxelWolfI put a similar list up with a half assed, poorly written timeline, but I can't find it. I Can't remember if I added individual Vision names or lumped them all in together Some were basically the same just a different theme.
I added a few really good things like Super Patriot, Bonus Run, Net-pay and a few others. It's impossible to remember all the different games.
They had a rare Video poker game. 2 at Palace Station and Riverside , I can't remember the name(anyone?). It wasn't linked nor did it accumulate. It wasn't an obvious advantage, you had to play it for a while to figure it out. I only seen one guy ever taking advantage of it. You could play slow and time the bonus round. The bonus round gave you about 14 seconds with all hands getting multipliers you could play it all day with an advantage. It was a fun game. I didn't play it much because there were better things going on.
Axel, did you work the Globe Shopping at Bellagio? By the time I got there Ali was working it. He asked me to stay away from it and I obliged. So I never got to know how it worked. Except, when I was walking away from Ali, a lady was coin feeding a Globe Shopping machine. The machine froze up and she walked away. A few seconds later the machine racked up $80 in credits. She had gone into a bonus round and didn't know it.
Quote: BozWould love to hear your adventures on the $10 machine. Did you find the same volume of plays? Obviously it took at a higher bankroll but the money to be made was huge. Can you remember a larger play on a high denomination machine than this? Or were the value plays so rare you could make more on lower machines in the same amount of time?
The biggest accumulator plays I've seen were a $25 Baseball at Chinook Winds in Oregon, $25 Wild Cherry Pie at the Horseshoe/Indiana (I never got a play), and Harrah's in Joliet had a $25 Wild Cherry Pie and several $10 denom Visions.
A friend of mine used to work a $100 Double Diamond Mine at the casino Steve Wynn built on the Mississippi Coast. As a matter of fact, Mississippi was one of those places I should have went to. Where $5 Visions were rare in Nevada, they were abundunt on the Mississippi Coast.
I remember a story, I can't remember where I heard it or read it. But Lyle Berman owned a couple of Grand Casinos on the Mississippi Coast that had a lot of $5 Visions. The pros were crushing the place. Berman called his friend, David Sklansky, asked him to come investigate and let him know what was going on. Sklansky walked the casino floor for a couple of days then advised Berman to take the machines out.
Don't get started on this guy. He was bad news and a serious rat. If you one upped him on anything , he would point you out to security or management. He pulled this on me a few times.Quote: mickeycrimmCharles Lund was the first culprit. like Lund. He was a cheap dirty B******. Axel can tell you some stories. Lund and his old lady were working the Money Maze at Bellagio.
I find it hilarious this guy was messing around with that stupid maze game (compared to everything else) that I quickly abandon. He had his stupid pen and notepad out writing everything down. I swear this guy had a pocket protector and a fanny pack, that alone made me want to hit him.
Meanwhile 30 feet away there was the Globe Shopping slots that were worth 100x more. At the same time, Net-pay was going on. He had no clue what was going on right under his nose. He would walk by, and everybody would hide. He even stopped and looked at net-pay but moved on. I believe he finally gave up on the maze slot.
Quote: mickeycrimmI remember a story, I can't remember where I heard it or read it. But Lyle Berman owned a couple of Grand Casinos on the Mississippi Coast that had a lot of $5 Visions. The pros were crushing the place. Berman called his friend, David Sklansky, asked him to come investigate and let him know what was going on. Sklansky walked the casino floor for a couple of days then advised Berman to take the machines out.
When you say that "pros were crushing the place" they were not actually taking money from the casino, right? All these accumulator plays just let the informed player use an advantage that the uninformed players build up and then abandon. The money transfer is from the idiots to the smart players. The overall take from the game for the casino is not affected. The only reason the casino operator should care is if the number of pros and their aggressiveness starts to affect the willingness of other customers to gamble.
I also assume that, like many other forms of AP, for every successful player there are (were) lots of players who think they know what they are doing but in actuality are donating to the casino.
I always regret not going somewhere else or playing something. Oftentimes ill run into someone that was at that somewhere else. They end up saying, "Man I wish I had been in vegas then."Quote: mickeycrimmThe biggest accumulator plays I've seen were a $25 Baseball at Chinook Winds in Oregon, $25 Wild Cherry Pie at the Horseshoe/Indiana (I never got a play), and Harrah's in Joliet had a $25 Wild Cherry Pie and several $10 denom Visions.
A friend of mine used to work a $100 Double Diamond Mine at the casino Steve Wynn built on the Mississippi Coast. As a matter of fact, Mississippi was one of those places I should have went to. Where $5 Visions were rare in Nevada, they were abundunt on the Mississippi Coast.
I remember a story, I can't remember where I heard it or read it. But Lyle Berman owned a couple of Grand Casinos on the Mississippi Coast that had a lot of $5 Visions. The pros were crushing the place. Berman called his friend, David Sklansky, asked him to come investigate and let him know what was going on. Sklansky walked the casino floor for a couple of days then advised Berman to take the machines out.
Quote: jml24Thanks for the stories, your accounts of grinding all these machines are pretty entertaining.
When you say that "pros were crushing the place" they were not actually taking money from the casino, right? All these accumulator plays just let the informed player use an advantage that the uninformed players build up and then abandon. The money transfer is from the idiots to the smart players. The overall take from the game for the casino is not affected. The only reason the casino operator should care is if the number of pros and their aggressiveness starts to affect the willingness of other customers to gamble.
I also assume that, like many other forms of AP, for every successful player there are (were) lots of players who think they know what they are doing but in actuality are donating to the casino.
The casino has an overall advantage on the machine. The pro is just exploiting the temporary advantages that develop. But human nature being what it is, a guy like Berman doesn't like to get beat by anybody. Another difference is when the tourist/ploppie gets the bonus they play the money back when the game is back in negative. The pros don't do that. So in effect the pros are cutting slightly into the casinos bottom line.
Quote: mickeycrimmThis would be an anomaly to me. There is a regulation about "altering the outcome of a game" in Nevada. It's not allowed. Was this an online game or something like that?
This is legal in Nevada. I put this option in my new games that have accumulator bonuses. The casinos have the option to turn it on or not. There are some properties that choose not to turn it on and are vulnerable. There are ways to give those "accumulated" credits back that aren't obvious and are not vulnerable to vulturing when the feature is turned on.
Quote: DRichThere are ways to give those "accumulated" credits back that aren't obvious and are not vulnerable to vulturing when the feature is turned on.
Mystery bonuses?
And great stuff so far mickey.
Quote: mickeycrimm
I remember a story, I can't remember where I heard it or read it. But Lyle Berman owned a couple of Grand Casinos on the Mississippi Coast that had a lot of $5 Visions. The pros were crushing the place. Berman called his friend, David Sklansky, asked him to come investigate and let him know what was going on. Sklansky walked the casino floor for a couple of days then advised Berman to take the machines out.
Why would this matter? If the machines were working properly, who would care whether this person or that person hit the bonus? If it was supposed to pay back 92% (for example) with the bonus features in play, and grandma got all the diamonds and walked away because the bus was leaving, and Mickey came in and got the bonus, it was still the same payout, right?
Edit: never mind, answered.
Quote: MoscaWhy would this matter? If the machines were working properly, who would care whether this person or that person hit the bonus? If it was supposed to pay back 92% (for example) with the bonus features in play, and grandma got all the diamonds and walked away because the bus was leaving, and Mickey came in and got the bonus, it was still the same payout, right?
Edit: never mind, answered.
That would be true if everybody walked away and quit playing after hitting the bonus. 99% of the people keep playing that game or another one so the casino gets 8% of a higher handle.
Quote: Mosca
Edit: never mind, answered.
Also when i periodically vulture ultimate x multipliers, I'm usually one of the best dressed ones doing it, and I don't dress very well either. The appearance of players having money to lose in a casino is a small positive for business I would think.
Quote: DRichThis is legal in Nevada. I put this option in my new games that have accumulator bonuses. The casinos have the option to turn it on or not. There are some properties that choose not to turn it on and are vulnerable. There are ways to give those "accumulated" credits back that aren't obvious and are not vulnerable to vulturing when the feature is turned on.
This is truly a thought provoking post. I think it was Axel who said something similar a while back. Please post a clue. And tring's answer would have been my first guess too.
Can we get a gag order on Drich? After confirming this was true on other machines (just to make sure I wasn't crazy) I stopped talking about it publicly.Quote: MoosetonThis is truly a thought provoking post. I think it was Axel who said something similar a while back. Please post a clue. And tring's answer would have been my first guess too.
PS. this will really feed the nut jobs out there and they will spin it drastically.
Quote: tringlomaneAlso when i periodically vulture ultimate x multipliers, I'm usually one of the best dressed ones doing it, and I don't dress very well either. The appearance of players having money to lose in a casino is a small positive for business I would think.
Funny because I usually have to compete with the SSI crowd for ultimate x. First they take our retirement now they want to take my casino money too lol
Dont you have work to do? (;Quote: djatcFunny because I usually have to compete with the SSI crowd for ultimate x. First they take our retirement now they want to take my casino money too lol
Quote: AxelWolfDon't get started on this guy. He was bad news and a serious rat. If you one upped him on anything , he would point you out to security or management. He pulled this on me a few times.
I find it hilarious this guy was messing around with that stupid maze game (compared to everything else) that I quickly abandon. He had his stupid pen and notepad out writing everything down. I swear this guy had a pocket protector and a fanny pack, that alone made me want to hit him.
Meanwhile 30 feet away there was the Globe Shopping slots that were worth 100x more. At the same time, Net-pay was going on. He had no clue what was going on right under his nose. He would walk by, and everybody would hide. He even stopped and looked at net-pay but moved on. I believe he finally gave up on the maze slot.
If there is any justice out there, his book is available for $0.01 on Amazon. And probably not worth it today.
http://www.amazon.com/Robbing-One-Armed-Bandits-Exploiting-Advantageous/dp/091057510X/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417561134&sr=1-5
Quote: DRichAxel, what was Net-pay? I don't think I have heard of that unless we may have called it something different.
Net Pay was in only two locations that I know of,the Bellagio opening and the Beau Rivage opening. I dont know exactly how it works either because there was already to much heat on the bank when i got there. I walked up to that bank and watched for about a half hour or so. The machines were linked. It appeared that a certain total wager on the bank set all the machines in bonus mode where they coughed up random bonuses. I seen some guys run up to the machines just before the bonus round went off. They all loaded two machines each and started pounding. When the bonus round was over they all hit the. cashout buttons and I could hear clang clang clang on every row. Suit security went to wherever they heard the clang clang clang and 86'd the people. To much heat for me. I left it alone.
But I figure those guys had the bank clocked somehow for when the bonus rounds went off.
Quote: SngwinnerI see that your list includes time play. Does that mean any machine like four times pay give times pay or seven times pay is beatable?
sngwinner, its Times Pay not Time Play. I'm on a roadtrip trip right now and all i have to post with is my windows phone so cant give lengthy explanations until i get home. I'cover Times Pay when i get back.
Quote: mickeycrimmThis would be an anomaly to me. There is a regulation about "altering the outcome of a game" in Nevada. It's not allowed. Was this an online game or something like that?
Real, honest-to-joe machine, found in many casinos, not some online gizmotchy. "Return of the Sphinx". Tall format, 3 reel / 5 line + bonus video reel, tall video screen up top that displays the bonus progress. I usually see it as $1/credit, $5/spin max.
A video
Pretty sure it's different from the new Sphinx 3D machines. Haven't spent enough time watching those to see if there's an edge, since they give me a headache and I don't get aspirin comped.
I'm fairly sure thats not a bonus banking / accumulator slot.Quote: DieterReal, honest-to-joe machine, found in many casinos, not some online gizmotchy. "Return of the Sphinx". Tall format, 3 reel / 5 line + bonus video reel, tall video screen up top that displays the bonus progress. I usually see it as $1/credit, $5/spin max.
A video
Pretty sure it's different from the new Sphinx 3D machines. Haven't spent enough time watching those to see if there's an edge, since they give me a headache and I don't get aspirin comped.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm fairly sure thats not a bonus banking / accumulator slot.
My recollection is that the peak of the pyramid is a significant prize. Progress toward the peak that someone else paid for might help.
I'll agree that it's not a traditional accumulator.
Sorry I didn't watch the video and mixed up the name (so many egyptian type themed slots).Quote: DieterMy recollection is that the peak of the pyramid is a significant prize. Progress toward the peak that someone else paid for might help.
I'll agree that it's not a traditional accumulator.
this comment "Progress toward the peak that someone else paid for" prompted me to look at the video. It seems like this could be very profitable if it keeps climbing to the top. Anyone know of this game at any vegas locations? I Would like to get a closer look. If it works like I assume it does I imagine guys are camped out.
Do you know if there's a whammy type square that resets it? or dose it keep moving until someone reaches the top?
If it climbs to the top each time and adds previous square amounts, it appears that this game might have some nice potential.
Quote: AxelWolfDo you know if there's a whammy type square that resets it? or dose it keep moving until someone reaches the top?
If it climbs to the top each time and adds previous square amounts, it appears that this game might have some nice potential.
The whammy reset square says "Cash Out". If you depress it and don't feed the credit meter in time, the bonus progress resets. I don't recall seeing anything in-game that would reset bonus progress other than a top prize award.
I'm not sure how the bonus award is selected - sequential / random / random on current line / random on current line + next line.
I believe the prize award is the contents of the selected cell only.
I believe the values of the cells generally increase higher up in the pyramid.
Quote: DieterThe whammy reset square says "Cash Out". If you depress it and don't feed the credit meter in time, the bonus progress resets.
If a ploppie runs out of credits and gets up do you have enough time to stick a bill in the machine before it resets?
Quote: AxelWolfSorry I didn't watch the video and mixed up the name (so many egyptian type themed slots).
this comment "Progress toward the peak that someone else paid for" prompted me to look at the video. It seems like this could be very profitable if it keeps climbing to the top. Anyone know of this game at any vegas locations? I Would like to get a closer look. If it works like I assume it does I imagine guys are camped out.
Do you know if there's a whammy type square that resets it? or dose it keep moving until someone reaches the top?
If it climbs to the top each time and adds previous square amounts, it appears that this game might have some nice potential.
One of the youtube videos was recorded at the Mirage.
Caesars slot finder: Bally's. Caesars. Flamingo, Paris. Planet Hollywood, the Quad.
Quote: mickeycrimmIf a ploppie runs out of credits and gets up do you have enough time to stick a bill in the machine before it resets?
The games I design give the customer between 10 and 20 seconds to insert credits before the reset. Most customers take longer than that to get up and leave the machine after running out of credits. If the customer cashes out, which is typically the case on penny slots because of the odd credit amounts not being enough for another play, the bonus resets immediately.
