100xOdds
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January 12th, 2014 at 2:03:10 PM permalink
lets say you have $1000 in slot freeplay.
my goal is to get a W2-G or bust.

originally I thought of slots in the high limit room, specifically $1 Platinum Quick Hits ($15max spin).

at the casino i'm at, the 9QH is stuck at $50000, and the 5 Platinum is stuck at $70000.
base for 9qh is 2000 x 15 = $30000. So the added $20000 and whatever overage for '5 Platinum' makes it +EV?

then I read this thread about platinum QH and saw Missions comment about it:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/15365-qp-platinum-thanks-wov/#post276313

"If someone is an individual who is not willing to walk away with less than one of the Top Three Jackpots, (i.e. handpay or bust) then I would advise highly AGAINST playing a QHP machine because the probabilities are not going to favor such a player at all and the machine will eventually grind them down to a bust in almost all cases."


So which popular slot machine would you play?

edit:
casino has Class II (bingo) VP, not class III
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January 12th, 2014 at 2:10:09 PM permalink
In this case, if you really are going for "W2G or bust," you want as much variance as possible - you want a three-reel, single line machine. I expect you can find two- or three-credit $5 machines just about anywhere, and those are going to fit your needs far better than $15 pulls on $1 QHP. It probably doesn't matter much which one - probably the one with the highest top jackpot.

+EV on slots is rare, especially when you take taxes into account. Me (assuming this is actually freeplay and not a loss rebate), I'd grind it out on VP or VBJ, or, if that weren't allowed, nickel slots. But for your stated goal, you want a single-line machine.
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January 12th, 2014 at 2:12:14 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

lets say you have $1000 in slot freeplay.
my goal is to get a W2-G or bust.



Why? You will take a $1200 hit but not two $600 hits? Do you really like paperwork? Do you want to flirt with the slot attendant?
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January 12th, 2014 at 2:14:14 PM permalink
I would think you would want to avoid hand pays and tax forms ... but income is income whether the smiling attendant hands it to you are the unsmiling machine "hands" it to you.
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January 12th, 2014 at 2:20:50 PM permalink
Hand pays are just going to be rare to keep them elusive and an incentive to keep playing. Actually paying out big chunks no matter is against the casinos best interest even with the house edge. I think video Poker would be better and my choice would be DDB just because like it and I know it good enough. I'd play it in dollars if decent. Personally I think hand pay or bust is foolish and I hope you chicken out if the first thousand doesn't hit. It takes many thousands lost to get a hand pay on slots and it's never smart being fixated on them.
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100xOdds
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January 12th, 2014 at 3:30:54 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Hand pays are just going to be rare to keep them elusive and an incentive to keep playing. Actually paying out big chunks no matter is against the casinos best interest even with the house edge. I think video Poker would be better and my choice would be DDB just because like it and I know it good enough. I'd play it in dollars if decent. Personally I think hand pay or bust is foolish and I hope you chicken out if the first thousand doesn't hit. It takes many thousands lost to get a hand pay on slots and it's never smart being fixated on them.



assume casino has class II (bingo) VP, not class III.

so VP is out??
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January 12th, 2014 at 3:38:25 PM permalink
Not at all. If it's class II, then at worst, it's the same as the slots; at best, it's the same odds as class III but idiot-proof. Given your goal, I might still go for the single-lines, but the VP will definitely be a better tactic than QHP.
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January 12th, 2014 at 3:50:01 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

assume casino has class II (bingo) VP, not class III.

so VP is out??

Mind if I ask, why you want to go bust or hit a jackpot? Why not just try to get as close to the 1k as possible?
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January 12th, 2014 at 4:46:45 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

assume casino has class II (bingo) VP, not class III.

so VP is out??

The only reason people even play video poker is because they can trust the probabilities and check pay tables. both of which you cannot count on in class two as a blanket statement. Sorry but I think it's just dreaming altogether and don't see a reason for much of a plan besides denominations.
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January 12th, 2014 at 5:41:23 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Mind if I ask, why you want to go bust or hit a jackpot? Why not just try to get as close to the 1k as possible?



got the idea from Missions post about w2g or bust. (see above)

but you're right. $1000 > $1200 minus taxes

so which type of slot will get me close to turning the $1000 freeplay into $1000 cash?
or it doesn't matter? just pick the higher demoninations because they're suppose to have higher payback?
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