QP Platinum - Thanks, WoV!

So, late one night last week, I found an 8-bank of QP Platinums for 1.50 max bet at Harrah's and decided to give it a try. The 5 and up were fixed numbers, not moving progressives, but I tried it anyway. And...the machine refused to lose. I put in 100.00, max bet it all the way, and 500 tier credits later ($2500 thru) I cashed out for 234.00. I would never have messed with the machines if y'all hadn't suggested it, and I don't think I found the right ones with rising progressives like you described, but I was quite happy with the results. Not just for more than doubling my money, but for giving them that much slot play and still getting that kind of a payout, which helps future comps and ratings.

So thanks very much for the suggestion! I was looking at another slots thread and they were talking about sitting next to someone winning and winning; I had several of those around me, including one lady who stalked it for the whole 2 hours, but a nice lady walked up when I was ready to punch out, and I said, "You need to take this one if you're willing to max bet it; it's been very hot." And she said yes, and while I was arranging my wallet and things to go, she hit it for another 130.00 maybe 2 spins in; I was quite happy for her, because I truly was done and headed for bed. Hope it continued for her.

I didn't realize the numbers posted were for the Platinums version, I guess I have to go back and re read it.

BBB,

First off, congratulations on the win. I don't think you necessarily meant what you said to her, but just in case, there's no such thing as a hot machine. The RNG is just going to do whatever it is going to do based on the fraction of a millisecond that you press the button, so she was no better off playing your machine as opposed to the one next to it.

I do agree, though, that Quick Hits Platinum can be a decent game to stretch a buck, as long as you hit for some Bonus Games a couple times, or the 5+ Quick Hits symbols in a spin.

I believe it works the same way as the Progressive, in terms of probabilities, so Free Games occur on about 1 of 96 spins, which isn't terribly unlikely. Furthermore, very little of the ER goes into the Top Three paying results which are 5QHP symbols, 9QH symbols and 8QH symbols. This combination of elements leads there to be slightly less Variance than you would expect from a slot machine which lends it the ability to potentially grind out a small-moderate sized win...if you're willing to walk away with less than one of the top jackpots.

If someone is an individual who is not willing to walk away with less than one of the Top Three Jackpots, (i.e. handpay or bust) then I would advise highly AGAINST playing a QHP machine because the probabilities are not going to favor such a player at all and the machine will eventually grind them down to a bust in almost all cases. You'll notice that when I calculate the +ER from the Progressives, I recommend that anyone serious about playing these to win should disclude the +ER from the 8QH and 9QH entirely. In fact, one can even optionally disclude the Base Pays from same.

I certainly do not recommend playing the non-Progressive version, nor do I recommend playing the machine at 100%+ ER if, after discluding the increase to 8QH and 9QH, the machine would be below 100% ER because of the extreme unlikelihood (1/87617 and 1/2073600, respectively) of seeing the 8QH and 9QH results. One could also disclude the possibility of seeing 5QHP symbols, except I don't know the probability of that result or contribution to the return...in both cases, though, I would infer that both are highly negligible. I very strongly believe there is only one QHP symbol per reel strip, and 95+% of your spins, you won't even see a QHP Symbol at all.

I would say you have described the situation exactly, except that I was hitting the free games at a rate of 1 in 23 spins on average (I started keeping track after a bit, it was doing so well), and one in 5 of those re-triggered at least once. 4 times I was at the 25x3 spins and got retriggered to the max 50 free spins (one of those retriggered 3 times total, for 50 missed spins!), and 3 other times at less initial spins, it retriggered twice to max out at 50 free spins x2. I also hit the 5QH for 15.00 8 times and the 6QH for 75.00 3 times. I was in relaxed mode, enjoying watching the machine do its thing, rather than mashing the buttons to expedite the payoffs, which is why I only cycled 2500 through in 2 hours; it takes a long time for it to play 50 spins. But I made approx. 1670 spins plus approx. 850 free spins on 100 and got 234 back, so I was completely entertained.

I also agree there's no such thing as a "hot" machine, but that one was experiencing extremely positive variance; lucky me! I kind of said that then because I wanted the vulture lady to hear me give it to someone else; she was very pushy about making disgusted noises about my frequent bonuses and asking when I was going to cash out and such, and she had tried the machines on either side of me and whined loudly about how bad they were on every spin. I have a little snark in me when people are being snots about my good fortune. lol....

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I would say you have described the situation exactly, except that I was hitting the free games at a rate of 1 in 23 spins on average (I started keeping track after a bit, it was doing so well), and one in 5 of those re-triggered at least once. 4 times I was at the 25x3 spins and got retriggered to the max 50 free spins (one of those retriggered 3 times total, for 50 missed spins!), and 3 other times at less initial spins, it retriggered twice to max out at 50 free spins x2. I also hit the 5QH for 15.00 8 times and the 6QH for 75.00 3 times. I was in relaxed mode, enjoying watching the machine do its thing, rather than mashing the buttons to expedite the payoffs, which is why I only cycled 2500 through in 2 hours; it takes a long time for it to play 50 spins. But I made approx. 1670 spins plus approx. 850 free spins on 100 and got 234 back, so I was completely entertained.

Absolutely, I am very familiar with those machines because I AP'ed somewhat seriously for a period of less than a year but more than six months. I eventually got sick of it because I didn't like the associated Variance and because I wasn't willing to lose enough at one time to seriously pursue some of the plays. I certainly finished ahead on my +ER slot play, and in the rare event that I am at the casino, will not pass up a hugely +ER opportunity.

Your results, in terms of Bonus Games, were very unusual, so congratulations again!

When Progressive chasing, you just hope that the Variance of the Bonus Games is enough that you will still be ahead at the point that the Progressive hits. It's not at all unusual to be behind such that even the+ER Progressive wouldn't even it up or put you ahead, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

It's all about those Free Games. I would venture to say that 90% of the spins that you, "Win" have you winning an amount less than or equal to the amount bet, with a very common result being 3QH which simply returns the bet. This leaves you with about 10% of winning spins (where 49.81% of all TOTAL spins are a complete loss on Black & White Sevens, for one example) actually winning a positive amount of money, overall. Of these 10% of all actually winning spins, which only actually represent about 5% of your total spins, I would say even about 95% of those spins win less than $10 on a $1.50 bet.

So, it total, I would suggest that less than .5% of all Base Spins wins an amount greater than $10.

It's all about the Bonus Games.

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I also agree there's no such thing as a "hot" machine, but that one was experiencing extremely positive variance; lucky me! I kind of said that then because I wanted the vulture lady to hear me give it to someone else; she was very pushy about making disgusted noises about my frequent bonuses and asking when I was going to cash out and such, and she had tried the machines on either side of me and whined loudly about how bad they were on every spin. I have a little snark in me when people are being snots about my good fortune. lol....

I hate it when people do that. If you're seated, the machine is yours until you choose to leave. I'm snarky enough to make a statement such as, "Hey, let's play a game I like to call, 'F*** off,' do you need an explanation of the Rules?"