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June 19th, 2025 at 3:08:07 PM permalink
I came across a set of Jimmy the Greek's twelve-sided dice, designed for poker. The dice are such that every possible poker hand is possible, and eight stars are wild cards. Three die have two stars, one red and one black. One die has a single black star, and the last has a single red star.
Having eight wild cards obviously makes getting certain hands easier. Does it affect the rarity of the hands? For example, in three-card poker, a straight beats a flush.
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June 20th, 2025 at 9:10:47 AM permalink
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I came across a set of Jimmy the Greek's twelve-sided dice, designed for poker. The dice are such that every possible poker hand is possible, and eight stars are wild cards. Three die have two stars, one red and one black. One die has a single black star, and the last has a single red star.
Having eight wild cards obviously makes getting certain hands easier. Does it affect the rarity of the hands? For example, in three-card poker, a straight beats a flush.
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Interesting. Can you list all 12 faces of each die, or group of dice? I’m sure at least one of us can figure out the odds… Is it intended as a stud game, or are players allowed a “draw” roll?
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June 20th, 2025 at 9:35:36 AM permalink
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I came across a set of Jimmy the Greek's twelve-sided dice, designed for poker...



I guess it would be fair to call it a do-deck-ahedron.
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June 20th, 2025 at 10:06:26 AM permalink
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I came across a set of Jimmy the Greek's twelve-sided dice, designed for poker. The dice are such that every possible poker hand is possible, and eight stars are wild cards. Three die have two stars, one red and one black. One die has a single black star, and the last has a single red star.
Having eight wild cards obviously makes getting certain hands easier. Does it affect the rarity of the hands? For example, in three-card poker, a straight beats a flush.
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Interesting. Can you list all 12 faces of each die, or group of dice? I’m sure at least one of us can figure out the odds… Is it intended as a stud game, or are players allowed a “draw” roll?
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I don't have the rules but the person I got them from thought you got three tosses to make the best hand. He had the game as a teenager and remembers it as a cross between poker and Yahtzee. He's in his sixties, at a minimum which puts the game in the 1970s.
I don't recall multi-sided dice from that era.
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June 22nd, 2025 at 4:39:25 PM permalink
Here's a few pics from BGG. Not sure about the unseen dice faces. Year=1974.





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June 22nd, 2025 at 6:15:49 PM permalink
Thank you. I'll set the die to those settings and photograph the unseen side
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June 24th, 2025 at 10:31:47 AM permalink
Yeah, it totally changes the odds.

Just looking at the picture of the dice, you can see that one has a 5 and a 3, another has a 4 and a 3, and another has a 3 and a 2 making low value straights hard.z Of course all those jokers, makes every hand easier to hit.

That alone reduces the two of three of low value value straits you can get. But, yeah, we really need to see what’s on every face of each die.

FYI. With a regular deck of cards without jokers, there are 2,598,960 different hands. Conversely, there are only 248,832 ways to roll 5 twelve sided dice.
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June 24th, 2025 at 10:43:05 AM permalink
I'm told that the dice are set up so every poker hand is possible. I'll try to post the oictures tonite, as it looks like I'll be home all evening.
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June 25th, 2025 at 2:43:47 AM permalink
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I'm told that the dice are set up so every poker hand is possible. I'll try to post the oictures tonite, as it looks like I'll be home all evening.
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Every hand type may be available/possible, but not every hand…
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June 25th, 2025 at 8:30:10 PM permalink
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I'm told that the dice are set up so every poker hand is possible. I'll try to post the oictures tonite, as it looks like I'll be home all evening.
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Every hand type may be available/possible, but not every hand…
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Actually, since each die has at least one joker, isn’t it possible for the joker to substitute for the other die faces so every hand IS possible?

However, It IS possible that the need to use too many jokers to get every combination means that many specific hands that use jokers actually improve to better hands.

Hmmmm….

Yeah, we’re gonna need the values of each face from each die, and probably some kind of specialized program to go thru all 248,832 combinations.
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June 28th, 2025 at 2:26:26 PM permalink
It seems someone at BGG actually did notate the faces of all the dice...
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Since i did not see it documented anywhere online, here is how each of the 5 D12 are laid out:
Two of the dice have 1 star, three of the dice have 2 stars.
Dice with one star;
D12 #1: ★,2♥,7♥,5♠,4♦,3♣,8♣,K♣,Q♥,10♠,9♦,A♦
D12 #2: ★,2♠,7♣,6♥,4♠,3♦,8♦,A♠,K♦,Q♣,J♥,9♠

Dice with two stars;
D12 #3: ★,9♣,A♣,K♥,J♠,10♦,★,8♥,6♠,5♦,4♣,3♥
D12 #4: ★,2♣,7♠,6♦,5♣,4♥,★,10♣,9♥,A♥,Q♠,J♦
D12 #5: ★,2♦,7♦,6♣,5♥,3♠,★,K♠,Q♦,J♣,10♥,8♠
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