smoothgrh
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June 18th, 2020 at 10:50:16 AM permalink
The Wizard reports that five-handed, “social-distancing” poker is available in Downtown Las Vegas.

in pre-Covid 19 days, I would leave the table if it were apparent that a game would be reduced to five players. I don’t like the idea of the blinds coming around so quickly, and play being either all folding or being super aggressive. Are these valid concerns?

I assume that proper play when five-handed is to play hands more aggressively. Like K-J. Or any ace. Do you all concur?

What are the upsides of playing five-handed?
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June 18th, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

The Wizard reports that five-handed, “social-distancing” poker is available in Downtown Las Vegas.

in pre-Covid 19 days, I would leave the table if it were apparent that a game would be reduced to five players. I don’t like the idea of the blinds coming around so quickly, and play being either all folding or being super aggressive. Are these valid concerns?

I assume that proper play when five-handed is to play hands more aggressively. Like K-J. Or any ace. Do you all concur?

What are the upsides of playing five-handed?



I think the big downside is the rake affecting you 1/5 of the time instead of 1/9 of the time. An upside would be if there was a weak player he would be able to be taken advantage of more frequently.

When you say play 'more aggressively', I think the phrase you should use is "there are a wider range of hands I'd play". Heads up ace -4 offsuit is pretty good. With 9 players third to act not so much. I think good players know how to adjust their play for the number of players at the table. Trying not to be rude, but if you need to ask that question you are probably the player that will be taken advantage of. Not to say with experience you can't learn how to play any number of players.
smoothgrh
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June 18th, 2020 at 11:32:01 AM permalink
No offense taken. I probably would indeed suck at a five-handed table.

I feel like in 9-handed games, I have success about 55% of the time. In a 5-handed game, it would probably drop precipitously.
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June 18th, 2020 at 1:52:13 PM permalink
Unless I’m mistaken, most (all?) of the 5 handed games have reduced rakes.

Also, Bellagio is opening poker today, 6 handed.
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June 18th, 2020 at 3:48:50 PM permalink
Quote: smoothgrh

No offense taken. I probably would indeed suck at a five-handed table.

I feel like in 9-handed games, I have success about 55% of the time. In a 5-handed game, it would probably drop precipitously.



I agree. the reality is that most of us poker players haven't logged many hours of playing 5-handed. We may understand it theoretically, but our instincts are not educated by hours of experience. Short tables like this are often a challenge.
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June 18th, 2020 at 4:32:36 PM permalink
So you think you would do better against eight players than against four? That seems counter-intuitive but I'll defer to your experiences.
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June 18th, 2020 at 5:24:31 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I think the big downside is the rake affecting you 1/5 of the time instead of 1/9 of the time. An upside would be if there was a weak player he would be able to be taken advantage of more frequently.

When you say play 'more aggressively', I think the phrase you should use is "there are a wider range of hands I'd play". Heads up ace -4 offsuit is pretty good. With 9 players third to act not so much. I think good players know how to adjust their play for the number of players at the table. Trying not to be rude, but if you need to ask that question you are probably the player that will be taken advantage of. Not to say with experience you can't learn how to play any number of players.


This!

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June 18th, 2020 at 5:25:45 PM permalink
Also I love the idea of 6 handed tables live and have for a long time. Online I play exclusively 6 handed games when playing cash.
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June 18th, 2020 at 5:39:54 PM permalink
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So you think you would do better against eight players than against four? That seems counter-intuitive but I'll defer to your experiences.

Because the game is easier since you can play more of an ABC style of Poker when it's 8,9,10 handed(I have even played in some 11 handed games).

Generally most of the players are going to be more conservative/tighter when there's more players dealt into the hand makes it easier to put other people on a range of hands. It's going to be more straightforward what hands you should play and how you should play those hands. Anytime you have to make less complicated decisions, its going to cut down on your mistakes.
Having to defend your blinds less often makes the game a lot easier. If it's a wild and crazy/ loose aggressive ring game a player can wisely pick their spots and pick up some decent pots with strong hands. A tight passive player might go unnoticed or even ignored in a game like that. In a short-handed game a tight passive player is going to get steamrolled. When he does decide to enter pot red flags are going to go of for the other players and they're able to act accordingly.

There's more bluffing and semibluffing going on in the short hand game. That can be hard to deal with if you're not used to that style of play and you don't adjust well.

I assume in the short-handed games being offered at the casinos you are going to get people who just want to play poker no matter what the situation is, or you're going to get people who are skilled at short-handed play.

Often times, I prefer shorthanded game, but that really depends on my mood and how the other players are playing.
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June 18th, 2020 at 5:52:06 PM permalink
I much prefer short handed games. Way more post flop skill and opportunities for +EV situations.
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