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October 17th, 2019 at 1:47:15 PM permalink
Mike Postle has nothing on this lady...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-osZbxq4Mc
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October 17th, 2019 at 3:12:10 PM permalink
I used to be a huge fan of Derren Brown in the mid 2000s.

But, I have become disillusioned as time passed.

He is a magician, where "his trick" is making people think he has some crazy psychological explanation.

When he faked predicting the lottery, but explained it by using "the laws of large numbers" (averaging every lottery number pick, which is absurd for many reasons).

I posted on that video I would like to see the video of the full game (I doubt there is one).

He also did (gambling related) an episode where he was going to bet 5k on a single number by studying physics and mechanics of movement (he was off by one number).

Much of his stuff is staged, many is just basic sleight of hand, his verbal misdirection is convincing his audience that he can psycologically influence almost anything with subtle ques. There are a lot of magic sites which are publically accessible that explain most of his tricks.
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October 17th, 2019 at 3:50:19 PM permalink
A lot of TV magic stuff is simply staged. They use plants in the audience for live stuff. But for TV the entire thing can be completely phony.

An interesting one to me is hypnotists. From what I understand, they don't necessarily use plants. They just find audience members who are willing to play along.
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October 17th, 2019 at 4:32:13 PM permalink
I might have missed it, but what was the tournament structure? It seems like it was set up with low starting chips, big blinds, basically a crapshoot. I'm sure that the prize money was fairly low? An amount design where they would want that lady to win and just get it done and move on.

If you're a professional poker player there's no doubt you would want to be part of something that would lead the general public into believing they could become competitive at a professional level within weeks.

Who are these guys? They mentioned their winning records and it seems to me their rankings in winnings were fairly small.

I guarantee you there was some trick when she guesses the guys card eventually. If she keeps guessing enough times eventually she's going to get it correctly.

I think this was very misleading and potentially financially harmful to quite a few people.
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October 17th, 2019 at 4:59:40 PM permalink
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I might have missed it, but what was the tournament structure? It seems like it was set up with low starting chips, big blinds, basically a crapshoot. I'm sure that the prize money was fairly low? An amount design where they would want that lady to win and just get it done and move on.

If you're a professional poker player there's no doubt you would want to be part of something that would lead the general public into believing they could become competitive at a professional level within weeks.

Who are these guys? They mentioned their winning records and it seems to me their rankings in winnings were fairly small.

I guarantee you there was some trick when she guesses the guys card eventually. If she keeps guessing enough times eventually she's going to get it correctly.

I think this was very misleading and potentially financially harmful to quite a few people.



Nobody outside of the production knows because they were intentionally obtuse, and did not explain or even release the footage of the full game (despite having "hidden cameras and mics, following the full tournament)....

You can hear somebody at some point say 2nd gets 1000 (presumably pounds).

But, yes, generally speaking for most of his tricks (at least filmed ones) one technique is to film quite a few times until he gets the result right (whether it be guessing a random number, or predicting something etc.....) He did this with dog racing a while ago (2006 I think), where he would email different groups who would win, the next week email the group he got right who would win, and slowly widdle it down until one small group thought he was a genius. He also did s trick where he filmed flipping heads 10 times in a row with non cut film (he did this by filming him tossing the coin for 9 hours until he got the result he wanted).

Much of his success is luck (with endless amounts of bad content that never gets seen), and some is just standard magic where he makes it out to be more than it is (playing some psychological aspect, when generally there is just a force or switch to get the desired result). And, some is just staged.
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