Rigondeaux
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August 7th, 2019 at 11:30:29 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I agree- you aren't a poker pro. I do play WSOP Circuit events as a hobby, and have been at quite a few tables where I was the only non-pro.

The logic you describe is perfect for why all 9 players at a table might limp into the same hand (call the blind bet). But all 9 players pushing all their chips in? No.

In a tournament, the objective is to survive and eventually win cash, not to maximize your EV of winning chips in a single hand while exposing yourself to a 78% chance of busting out of the tournament.

In a WSOP tournament, I have indeed seen three people go all in on the same hand -the first person had QQ, the 2nd person had KK and the 3rd person had AA. But I have never seen more than three. The idea of 8-10 people going all-in on the same hand in a tournament is simply unrealistic. This thread is liking asking "if pigs could fly, could they fly at super-sonic speeds?"



It's something that is extremely unlikely to occur, but there is a theoretical answer that is interesting. I guess it's more analogous to asking something like, "could a football team make a comeback down by 24 with 30 seconds left in the game?" We will probably never see it, but you can talk about how it would happen and what strats should be used.

I used to play small rebuy tourney's online. That's another area where this might happen. People would go crazy trying to build a stack in the rebuy period.

I guess that has also happened in WSOP rebuy events, where some players are willing to even make -ev plays in order to try building a stack because they value the bracelet more than cash ev.

After the first few all is, some players might call any two cards, hoping to either have a monster stack or just rebuy and be back where they started.
PokerKing666
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August 11th, 2019 at 2:29:45 PM permalink
Quote: winningwizard

$500 buy in tournament 500 people.....you table has 10 seats. very first hand of the tournament, you are big blind and you have AA....entire table is all you call or fold? its obvious call for me, but is there anyone out there that would fold?



With that many people going all in, I would assume all the Aces are in play and fold.
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AxelWolf
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August 11th, 2019 at 4:58:20 PM permalink
Quote: PokerKing666

With that many people going all in, I would assume all the Aces are in play and fold.

Depending on the situation you could assume for that many people to go all-in that would generally suggest that the aces are spread out in Ace King/ AQ suited hands. One can assume all the kings are out, one would assume all the Queens are out, someone probably has pocket pair of jacks, someone in late position might very well have 910 Suited and even pocket tens might be around there somewhere. Your biggest competition would be the 910 Suited. It's unlikely anyone other than the person with 9/10 Suitor just going to make a straight cuz all the high cards are out that would make somebody a straight. It be unlikely for anyone with queens, Kings, jacks 10's to make a set on you. If you start looking at the deck composition the aces might be as high as 50%+ to win the hand. With nine people going all-in and a 50% chance to win the hand that's good enough odds to take your chances.
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RS
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August 11th, 2019 at 9:00:05 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I agree- you aren't a poker pro. I do play WSOP Circuit events as a hobby, and have been at quite a few tables where I was the only non-pro.

The logic you describe is perfect for why all 9 players at a table might limp into the same hand (call the blind bet). But all 9 players pushing all their chips in? No.

In a tournament, the objective is to survive and eventually win cash, not to maximize your EV of winning chips in a single hand while exposing yourself to a 78% chance of busting out of the tournament.

In a WSOP tournament, I have indeed seen three people go all in on the same hand -the first person had QQ, the 2nd person had KK and the 3rd person had AA. But I have never seen more than three. The idea of 8-10 people going all-in on the same hand in a tournament is simply unrealistic. This thread is liking asking "if pigs could fly, could they fly at super-sonic speeds?"


As has been stated numerous times in this thread, making a decision is at least partially based on the size of the tournament (# of players) as well as other conditions (rebuying allowed, how good you are, etc.). I think we've moved past only looking at the specific scenario in the OP in this discussion and it's branching out into other scenarios.

Yes, I know how tournament strategy works, I'm not retarded. But it'd be idiotic to use the same type of strategy for every type of tournament. No way in hell would I play a small winner-take-all tournament with 20-30 entries the same that I'd play in the WSOP ME. Things that would favor going all in are if it's a smaller tournament, you're a worse player, as well as outside influences but that doesn't really count (like if you are sort of "wasting" your time in the tournament).
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Rigondeaux
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August 11th, 2019 at 9:23:23 PM permalink
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Yes, I know how tournament strategy works, I'm not retarded.



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