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December 14th, 2017 at 7:49:19 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Usually, its quads losing. IE, quads vs quads, quads vs straight flush or SF vs SF.

Both the winning hand and a losing hand must qualify by having a pocket pair for quads or using both cards for the straight flush. So having A-K with the board consisting of three aces and two small cards won't qualify even though you're using both of your hole cards for your best hand. Similarly, having the bottom end of a six card straight flush won't qualify.

Some casinos set the minimum as quad jacks, then lower it each week that it doesn't hit, in an effort to prevent it from hitting too often.

When the bad beat was first introduced, it wasn't uncommon for the minimum qualifier to be aces full.



Official rules can be downloaded here:

http://stationcasinospoker.com/promotions/
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December 14th, 2017 at 7:50:13 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Does anyone know the conditions required to win this jackpot? Would make for a good Ask the Wizard question.


Ah fine, I'll bite.


Wizard, what are the conditions required to win this jackpot?
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December 14th, 2017 at 9:16:22 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Accidental exposed hands are not dead at all casinos. Some just consider them exposed and now everyone knows what the player has.

ZCore13


Agreed, and even mention that earlier. You'll see it allowed in many tv poker games.
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December 14th, 2017 at 9:19:26 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Usually, its quads losing. IE, quads vs quads, quads vs straight flush or SF vs SF.

Both the winning hand and a losing hand must qualify by having a pocket pair for quads or using both cards for the straight flush. So having A-K with the board consisting of three aces and two small cards won't qualify even though you're using both of your hole cards for your best hand. Similarly, having the bottom end of a six card straight flush won't qualify.

Some casinos set the minimum as quad jacks, then lower it each week that it doesn't hit, in an effort to prevent it from hitting too often.

When the bad beat was first introduced, it wasn't uncommon for the minimum qualifier to be aces full.


Quads over quads here at MotorCity Casino is currently $1,010,380.45.

https://www.motorcitycasino.com/PokerRoom.aspx?Page=BadBeat
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December 15th, 2017 at 5:49:33 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

To me, the case comes down to whether or not the exposed cards had a chance to change the outcome, perhaps causing players not to fold who otherwise might have.



Why is the reverse not true? If the player exposed a higher SF, the other player would obviously fold unless this "bad beat jackpot" was involved and he/she profited from same? What am I missing in your logic? Thanks.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:11:32 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

My point was that casinos never pay winning players with their own money. Other players play the winners.



That may be your point, but it has literally nothing to do with the subject at hand.

A bad beat jackpot that is funded by the players, for the players is not equal to a BJ game, or playing a slot machine.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:36:05 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Why is the reverse not true? If the player exposed a higher SF, the other player would obviously fold unless this "bad beat jackpot" was involved and he/she profited from same? What am I missing in your logic? Thanks.



Here is the breakdown of the winnings:

Quote: Rule 11


When the qualifying hand, or better, is beaten in accordance with rules
9 and 10, the following payouts will occur:
a. The loser of the hand will receive 40% of the posted jackpot
b. The winner of the hand will receive 25% of the posted jackpot
c. 3% will be divided evenly amongst the player’s at the table at
which the jackpot hit
d. The remaining 32% will be divided evenly amongst all active
live Texas Hold’em players in all Station Casinos’ Poker Rooms.
The winner and loser of the jackpot activating hand, as well
as the players at the winning table, are entitled to this player’s
share



If I have what could be a qualifying winning or losing hand, and it looks possible somebody else does too, with $120,000 on the line, without this rule I would want to make sure this person doesn't fold.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:41:16 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Because all players would profit -- the winner, the loser, everyone at the table, and every player playing poker in any station property.



I don't agree with that. Not all players will benefit, only the ones that were playing at the time. Because it is a "progressive" the money would eventually be given away to players playing at the time of the next bad beat where there was not a rules violation (assuming that there was a violation on this hand). It's not like the casino gets to keep the money.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:43:43 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't agree with that. Not all players will benefit, only the ones that were playing at the time. Because it is a "progressive" the money would eventually be given away to players playing at the time of the next bad beat where there was not a rules violation. It's not like the casino gets to keep the money.



I'm not sure you see my point. If you were sitting at the table, especially with a 40% or 25% stake on the line, you want that money now. You probably are not so selfless that you're indifferent to you winning it and some other schmoe at another property another day instead.
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December 15th, 2017 at 6:51:40 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm not sure you see my point. If you were sitting at the table, especially with a 40% or 25% stake on the line, you want that money now. You probably are not so selfless that you're indifferent to you winning it and some other schmoe at another property another day instead.



You are right, I am looking at it from the point of view of a stations poker player that was not playing at that time. If you pay it off and there was a violation, I have no chance of winning any of that money. If you don't pay it because of the violation I still have an opportunity to win it. The casino is not benefiting from this, it is actually hurting them because of the negative publicity.
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