What's the Lowest Unbeatable Hand in Hold 'Em?
August 25th, 2010 at 4:21:29 AM
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Greetings All!
New here, so please forgive any faux pas...
Curious to know what the lowest unbeatable THE hand would be. I'm assuming this'd be common knowledge, but as a Newbster, my guess would be QQ in the pocket with 2378Q (Rainbow) on the board.
Anyone know of a lower hand?
Cheers!
p
New here, so please forgive any faux pas...
Curious to know what the lowest unbeatable THE hand would be. I'm assuming this'd be common knowledge, but as a Newbster, my guess would be QQ in the pocket with 2378Q (Rainbow) on the board.
Anyone know of a lower hand?
Cheers!
p
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August 25th, 2010 at 4:51:04 AM
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I'm not sure your question is phrased quite the way you want. Theoretically a hand of 7-2 offsuit would be the lowest unbeatable hand given a board of 7-7-7-2-2.
August 25th, 2010 at 5:08:31 AM
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Actually, a board of 7-7-2-2-2 produces a lower unbeatable hand when you're holding a 7-2.Quote: konceptumTheoretically a hand of 7-2 offsuit would be the lowest unbeatable hand given a board of 7-7-7-2-2.
However, since podski's trip queens is lower than quads, I think he's after something even lower than trip queens.
podski -
I'd have to say that you nailed it. But common knowledge? Hardly. While it makes for an interesting trivia question, it's hardly useful.
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August 25th, 2010 at 6:36:07 AM
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Thankin' yew.....
and apologies for the ambiguity
and apologies for the ambiguity
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August 25th, 2010 at 7:42:08 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearActually, a board of 7-7-2-2-2 produces a lower unbeatable hand when you're holding a 7-2.
However, since podski's trip queens is lower than quads, I think he's after something even lower than trip queens.
podski -
I'd have to say that you nailed it. But common knowledge? Hardly. While it makes for an interesting trivia question, it's hardly useful.
Ahhhh. I was thinking lowest hand being the lowest 2 cards you could start with. No wonder I didn't understand the question.
August 25th, 2010 at 9:23:11 PM
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It is probably an old trivia question but I have never seen it before. I think you have the right answer though since you have avoided the st8's or higher trips.
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August 26th, 2010 at 9:43:38 AM
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You could also have a pair of 8s or 78 on a 22223, 4, 5, 6, or 7 board for an effective 8 high against a 9 handed table having pocket 3s, 4s, 5s, and 6s or some combination thereof.
Or just 83 on a 2 AKQJ board against 34 x 3 and 56 x 4 and 47
Or just 83 on a 2 AKQJ board against 34 x 3 and 56 x 4 and 47
August 26th, 2010 at 11:38:34 AM
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I assume you meant a rainbow board of 3,4,5,6,7. With such a board, 7,8 or 8,8 is beaten by 8,9, and the trip queens is still a lower hand.Quote: LoteYou could also have a pair of 8s or 78 on a 22223, 4, 5, 6, or 7 board for an effective 8 high against a 9 handed table having pocket 3s, 4s, 5s, and 6s or some combination thereof.
The original question was, as I understand it, "What's the lowest unbeatable hold-em hand?"
It wasn't "What's the lowest unbeatable hold-em hand if you're holding this, or if the board is that..."
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August 26th, 2010 at 3:50:01 PM
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AA on a AK984, or AK983, or AK982, or AK974, or AK973, or AK972, or AK964, or AK963, or AK962 rainbow board is the best unbeatable 3 of a kind.
August 26th, 2010 at 4:30:44 PM
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Unbeatable = Yes
Lower than Trip Queens = No
Lower than Trip Queens = No
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August 27th, 2010 at 7:22:06 AM
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In most regular variants of poker, the only (truly, in all cases,) 'unbeatable' holding remains the royal flush... but properly speaking, that could as well be held by up to 4 players.
Why bet at all, if you can be sure?
Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts?
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August 27th, 2010 at 8:41:52 AM
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Obviously, you don't know anything about Texas Hold-Em, because only ONE person can possibly have a Royal Flush.Quote: GarnabbyIn most regular variants of poker, the only (truly, in all cases,) 'unbeatable' holding remains the royal flush... but properly speaking, that could as well be held by up to 4 players.
And it doesn't answer the original question.
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August 27th, 2010 at 8:46:55 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearObviously, you don't know anything about Texas Hold-Em, because only ONE person can possibly have a Royal Flush.
And it doesn't answer the original question.
he said most variants. and also OP already gave the answer in his OP. either end thread or come up with something else that seems to follow this topic.
August 27th, 2010 at 10:53:33 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearObviously, you don't know anything about Texas Hold-Em, because only ONE person can possibly have a Royal Flush.
Quote: Garnabby... but properly speaking, that could as well be held by up to 4 players.
Or shared among everyone at a Hold'em table, when it occurs strictly on the board. ("Basically a form of poker in which each player is dealt two cards face down, called hole cards. The player may then use none, one, or both of his hole cards, in combination with five board cards or community cards dealt face up, to make the best possible five-card hand." http://www.ildado.com/texas_holdem_poker.html )
Quote: DJTeddyBearAnd it doesn't answer the original question.
Who else here brought up the possibility of tying the best holding given a specific holding and board, and/or other holdings?
Why bet at all, if you can be sure?
Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts?
(P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
August 28th, 2010 at 2:52:07 AM
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OP?
qu'est-ce que c'est the OP?
qu'est-ce que c'est the OP?
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August 28th, 2010 at 3:13:18 AM
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Hello Garnabby!
Thanks for the contribution.
Re: "the only (truly, in all cases,) 'unbeatable' holding remains the royal flush" - knowing as little as I do about THE, I understand that the Royal Flush is unbeatable, but why - in your opinion - do you feel that is the ONLY unbeatable hand/holding?
For example, if I hold 2 of Spades/Queen of Spades and the board is
Ace of Spades
7 of Spades
10 of Spades
King of Spades
5 of Hearts
I could effectively give you the entire remaining pack, and you would not be able to deal yourself 2 pocket cards that would make a higher hand than mine. Oui?
The only way that you could beat me is if I don't know this and you convince me to fold my hand (which is kinda the crux of the original question); is this what you mean?
Cheers!
p
Thanks for the contribution.
Re: "the only (truly, in all cases,) 'unbeatable' holding remains the royal flush" - knowing as little as I do about THE, I understand that the Royal Flush is unbeatable, but why - in your opinion - do you feel that is the ONLY unbeatable hand/holding?
For example, if I hold 2 of Spades/Queen of Spades and the board is
Ace of Spades
7 of Spades
10 of Spades
King of Spades
5 of Hearts
I could effectively give you the entire remaining pack, and you would not be able to deal yourself 2 pocket cards that would make a higher hand than mine. Oui?
The only way that you could beat me is if I don't know this and you convince me to fold my hand (which is kinda the crux of the original question); is this what you mean?
Cheers!
p
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August 28th, 2010 at 9:56:44 AM
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"Original post" or "original poster" of the thread.Quote: podskiOP?
qu'est-ce que c'est the OP?
August 28th, 2010 at 10:12:53 AM
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Gracias Amigo!
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August 28th, 2010 at 5:38:42 PM
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Quote: podskiI understand that the Royal Flush is unbeatable, but why - in your opinion - do you feel that is the ONLY unbeatable hand/holding?
From this usage eg, at http://www.love-texas-holdem.com/poker-hands.html , "ROYAL FLUSH: A K Q J 10, All of the same suit. This is the best possible hand and is unbeatable." One player's holding might be better than an other's, and even the best of many... but that doesn't mean it's the 'best possible' (of all) or unbeatable holding for that variant of the game. Like saying eg, "I'm almost certain." (Even after settling on an actual definition for 'certain', how to be almost that? What's the standard probability for either of certainty, or virtual certainty?) Perhaps you should've asked for, "The lowest-best holding in Hold'em (given X-number of cards dealt to the board)?"
Quote: podskiThe only way that you could beat me is if I don't know this and you convince me to fold my hand (which is kinda the crux of the original question); is this what you mean?
In a sense... it's as much about "spashing around" a bit here and there, just to see who/what pops out.
Quote: podskiThanks for the contribution.
Welcome.
Why bet at all, if you can be sure?
Anyway, what constitutes a "good bet"? - The best slots-game in town; a sucker's edge; or some gray-area blackjack-stunts?
(P.S. God doesn't even have to exist to be God.)
August 28th, 2010 at 5:45:34 PM
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in stud hi-lo, i got quartered once holding Ac2c3c4c5cXY
August 30th, 2010 at 8:15:52 AM
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