Dre
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April 28th, 2014 at 6:47:18 AM permalink
If you had 120 dollars and had two options either going into a cash game 9 player at the casino with $120 or go and try to make money off of it at the baccarat tables.. Which has the best odds assuming you are really good at both games ?
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April 28th, 2014 at 6:51:33 AM permalink
Poker. I don't play baccarat, but Im told there is no "being really good" at baccarat. You're just guessing.
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April 28th, 2014 at 6:52:42 AM permalink
If you are really good at both games then play poker. Being really good at baccarat consists of nicely stacking your chips on banker.
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April 28th, 2014 at 9:20:52 AM permalink
Quote: Dre

If you had 120 dollars and had two options either going into a cash game 9 player at the casino with $120 or go and try to make money off of it at the baccarat tables.. Which has the best odds assuming you are really good at both games ?

It strikes me as unusual that someone really good at poker would have to ask this question. You may be over estimating how good of a poker player you are.
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April 28th, 2014 at 9:29:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It strikes me as unusual that someone really good at poker would have to ask this question. You may be over estimating how good of a poker player you are.



That is what I was thinking. Someone really good at poker would have a bankroll and not have to worry about only having 120.
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April 28th, 2014 at 9:35:06 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

That is what I was thinking. Someone really good at poker would have a bankroll and not have to worry about only having 120.

Lets just say for some reason they didn't have the bankroll (life happens) If you were really good you would not have to ask this question. IT would be like a professional NFL sports better asking of he would be better off making football picks or betting horses.

I don't know how far 120 will get you in a poker game. But i have seen many guys start with $100 at 1-2 NL and do well. Usually old timers or newbs downtown.

They pick a good spot raise and then shove of they have any resistance. I ran 200 into a few thousand the other night when Mission Left the game. I sent him the pics.
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April 28th, 2014 at 9:56:26 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

That is what I was thinking. Someone really good at poker would have a bankroll and not have to worry about only having 120.



Matt Damon in Rounders goes belly up for a time. I believe another character says that all pros go bust at some point. I wonder if Mickey has anything to say about starting with a $120 poker bankroll.
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April 28th, 2014 at 10:13:32 AM permalink
You have to have weak players at poker in order to succeed. On another hand your chances of winning at baccarat are 50/50. I'll wait for 2 banks and then bet everything on a bank.
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April 28th, 2014 at 11:12:09 AM permalink
Quote: 1arrowheaddr

Matt Damon in Rounders goes belly up for a time. I believe another character says that all pros go bust at some point. I wonder if Mickey has anything to say about starting with a $120 poker bankroll.



Just because you are a "pro" does not mean you are really good at poker. As Axel said, if you are really good then this is a question that would never need asked.
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April 28th, 2014 at 11:13:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It strikes me as unusual that someone really good at poker would have to ask this question. You may be over estimating how good of a poker player you are.



Yeah but you have to understand that he is really good at baccarat too...
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April 28th, 2014 at 11:43:31 AM permalink
I will have to go against the grain here and say baccarat is better.

$120 is too short a bankroll for any poker game being spread in major U.S. casinos. It's so small it would limit your available moves in games like NLHE and betting for value in limit games. Being on such a short bankroll is such a severe handicap that, combined with the rake, likely makes poker far lower expectation than betting the $120 in baccarat and hoping to get lucky.
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April 28th, 2014 at 11:46:17 AM permalink
I'd play poker if it were a $5/$10 game, otherwise it'd be baccarat. :)
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April 28th, 2014 at 12:43:57 PM permalink
Quote: iamthepush

I'd play poker if it were a $5/$10 game, otherwise it'd be baccarat. :)



Are you saying youd play 5/10 looking for a spot to shove all in pf or you just like playing 5/10?

Anyways you can't buy in to 5/10 for only $120.
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April 28th, 2014 at 12:45:03 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I will have to go against the grain here and say baccarat is better.

$120 is too short a bankroll for any poker game being spread in major U.S. casinos. It's so small it would limit your available moves in games like NLHE and betting for value in limit games. Being on such a short bankroll is such a severe handicap that, combined with the rake, likely makes poker far lower expectation than betting the $120 in baccarat and hoping to get lucky.



Being short-stacked is actually a large advantage in a multi (more than 2) player game.
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April 28th, 2014 at 2:11:24 PM permalink
I am a professional baccarat player capable of losing my money in any casino you care to name.
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April 28th, 2014 at 5:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: Dre

Which has the best odds assuming you are really good at both games ?



Lol. Dre, what is your goal? To double the 120? Or to continue all the way to the high life? To have fun, or strictly money? It's tough for someone to suggest what is better for you. I would say, the game you have had the most success with, use 120 on that. Myself, I'm trying to learn all the possible games where the player can gain the edge. That's your only hope. If you play poker with the same "skills" as baccarat, you may be confused.
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April 29th, 2014 at 1:47:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Being short-stacked is actually a large advantage in a multi (more than 2) player game.



yeah i forgot about the benefits of being all in. OK, so definitely poker then, but with an adapted strategy
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April 30th, 2014 at 4:33:44 PM permalink
Quote: 1arrowheaddr

Matt Damon in Rounders goes belly up for a time. I believe another character says that all pros go bust at some point. I wonder if Mickey has anything to say about starting with a $120 poker bankroll.



Most pros do not go broke, and going broke is a sure sign you don't have the bankroll management (or skill) to be professional. Obviously there are some exceptions.

In order to go broke playing poker with a decent bankroll, you need to lose, keep losing and make a decision to move down in stakes. Basically winning players with good bankroll management won't go bust. It pretty much just doesn't happen, because you'd need to be so many standard deviations down it's realistically impossible.



If you are a winning enough player, I'd say poker. But you need to know how to play good shortstack strategy and good deepstacked strategy if you get there.
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April 30th, 2014 at 5:07:52 PM permalink
Quote: Vlad3Tetes

Lol. Dre, what is your goal? To double the 120? Or to continue all the way to the high life? To have fun, or strictly money? It's tough for someone to suggest what is better for you. I would say, the game you have had the most success with, use 120 on that. Myself, I'm trying to learn all the possible games where the player can gain the edge. That's your only hope. If you play poker with the same "skills" as baccarat, you may be confused.



Poker and blackjack. Get to it!
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April 30th, 2014 at 5:13:07 PM permalink
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Poker and blackjack. Get to it!



Can I deep stack your short stack? ;)
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April 30th, 2014 at 5:44:33 PM permalink
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Can I deep stack your short stack? ;)



I'm not sure what you're asking lol
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April 30th, 2014 at 9:56:30 PM permalink
Quote: Lemieux66

I'm not sure what you're asking lol

I think I do. However there is a Gay and lesbian thread for that.
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April 30th, 2014 at 10:23:33 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think I do. However there is a Gay and lesbian thread for that.



In that case, nah.
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May 1st, 2014 at 7:39:24 PM permalink
At a 2/4 THNL good luck. IMHO ones a shove with a 5% rake if you win, and the other's a 5% commission. In poker theres a small chance with that stack you'd triple up, that does not exist in Bacc.
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