Bar poker whiners.
My results are pretty even half the time I get out, other half I double up and set my rep as a maniac so that people will call me down later with marginal hands.
Last night, however, I dealt with some abusive whining. There was table was made up of a heavyset older guy, 2 heavyset females, think she's hot female, and chill lady who's a regular, plus one younger guy.
I go all in 2nd hand on the button. They hemmed and hawed before folding. Fat guy congratulated me on my 75 chip win.
Few hand later I push again. One of the heavyset ladies said not again and mucked. Rest fold.
Utd I get pocket 9s. I raise to 300. Heavy guy raised to 1200. I fold and he say he gots nothing, very proud of his move.
On the button again I go all In with suited crap get called by think she's ot girl who floppped 2 pair to my pair. I thought she had me covered so walked but turned I had like 250 left.
I push next hand w 3-4 got 3 callers and won with a pair of 4s. Then I took advantage of my loose image to take down 3 solid hands busting out 3 of them in the process (fat guys wife, chill girl, and young guy).
Fat guys wife made sure to tell me how I made it not fun, think she's hot commented how I'll never make the final table and compared me to some guy I don't know, and fat guy was calling me a stupid dick. I took it all in stride, but never having had this happen before, doing this strategy multiple times in the past, we're they just a bunch of idiots commiserating or was a breaking some bar poker ethic which dictates you must get blinded out and play good poker? I kept it classy for the most part, but how should I deal with a ostile group of crybabies in the future?
Either way, I think your style of play is easy but not very fun to play against, and if most of the players are regular you probably upset their regular game. I don't think there's a bar ethic, as that setting attracts all sorts of players, but maybe this group frowns on it. Take the heat, tease them back, change your style or don't play, whatever is most fun for you.
I'm more regular, never seen the most vocal whiners.
Didn't even consider engaging them. The whole talking shit about me loudly to each other with me sitting there was just unsettling. Maybe they think their social disapproval will make me stop. I don't stop until I pad my stack or the blinds go up.
I agree it is annoying to get bullied or bust early when you drive to the bar, why not tighten your hand range and call a push when you wake up with a wired pair?
I'll go back next week and push all in every hand from the start if they are at my table again. If I bust big boy or his lady I will note the reaction.
Stay classy my friends.
If everybody played the same why play at all? #1 reason to play poker is to win money. If you want them to like you, then change your play, if not Fk'em. I hope you crush them repeatedly.
Quote: AxelWolfI would have called with the 99 ;) I would've asked the guy why he is complaining you are a bad player. it's better for him if you are.
If everybody played the same why play at all? #1 reason to play poker is to win money. If you want them to like you, then change your play, if not Fk'em. I hope you crush them repeatedly.
Solid advice. From one wolf to another, cheers.
when you start shoving on the 2nd hand with no regards to the strength of your hand, you are only trying to get lucky and not trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played. and don't give some bs excuse about that being your play style since you admitted "I'd rather bust early and go to bed ". no true poker player would say this. every true poker player is there to win no matter how long it takes. in fact, many pros have said their goal is to be the best and the money doesn't matter. you, on the other hand, are there to gamble, plain and simple.
then, in the end, you've ruined the game for other people for nothing since you said your play style only works half the time. and, as you offend more and more people less and less will be willing to play with you, so when you show up, they leave and you just lost your favorite gaming spot.
Quote: Stoneyhere's why it's not fun. those other players(and I would include myself if I were there) are trying to play poker. betting based on their hand strength, your expected hand strength, pot size, stack size, calling if they have pick up a tell or betting pattern, etc... you know, actually playing the game.
when you start shoving on the 2nd hand with no regards to the strength of your hand, you are only trying to get lucky and not trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played. and don't give some bs excuse about that being your play style since you admitted "I'd rather bust early and go to bed ". no true poker player would say this. every true poker player is there to win no matter how long it takes. in fact, many pros have said their goal is to be the best and the money doesn't matter. you, on the other hand, are there to gamble, plain and simple.
then, in the end, you've ruined the game for other people for nothing since you said your play style only works half the time. and, as you offend more and more people less and less will be willing to play with you, so when you show up, they leave and you just lost your favorite gaming spot.
I appreciate the sentiment, and feel the same way, but the 40BB starting stacks is a big problem. You can't play serious poker for more than an hand, observe:
25,50 blinds. Get a good hand, raise to 150. Get two callers. Now there is ~500 in the pot. Flop a good pair. Bet the pot, get a caller. 1500 in the pot, you and your opponent have 1350 behind. You are now both (almost) pot committed, on the first hand, with two bets. That doesn't leave any room for good poker.
Quote: AxelWolfI would have called with the 99 ;) I would've asked the guy why he is complaining you are a bad player. it's better for him if you are.
If everybody played the same why play at all? #1 reason to play poker is to win money. If you want them to like you, then change your play, if not Fk'em. I hope you crush them repeatedly.
You would call? I feel that's the worst thing you could do with this meh structure unless he respects you postflop, which he shouldn't at this point. Fold > Shove > Call, imo. I don't play many low-limit casino NL tourneys, but I can't remember the last time I got 3 bet by a hand that doesn't crush 99 on average.
But yes, you can't worry about what they think if you want to win. People complain I raise too much a lot. If they aren't bitching, then I'm not in a great game.
If they keep folding with superior hands and he is picking up blinds it may nit be as bad as you think. Poker is meant to be played anyway you wish. I don't know how anyone can complain a giu keeos shoveing in his money. That's a good thing if you know what you're doingQuote: Stoneyhere's why it's not fun. those other players(and I would include myself if I were there) are trying to play poker. betting based on their hand strength, your expected hand strength, pot size, stack size, calling if they have pick up a tell or betting pattern, etc... you know, actually playing the game.
when you start shoving on the 2nd hand with no regards to the strength of your hand, you are only trying to get lucky and not trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played. and don't give some bs excuse about that being your play style since you admitted "I'd rather bust early and go to bed ". no true poker player would say this. every true poker player is there to win no matter how long it takes. in fact, many pros have said their goal is to be the best and the money doesn't matter. you, on the other hand, are there to gamble, plain and simple.
then, in the end, you've ruined the game for other people for nothing since you said your play style only works half the time. and, as you offend more and more people less and less will be willing to play with you, so when you show up, they leave and you just lost your favorite gaming spot.
Quote: Stoneyhere's why it's not fun. those other players(and I would include myself if I were there) are trying to play poker. betting based on their hand strength, your expected hand strength, pot size, stack size, calling if they have pick up a tell or betting pattern, etc... you know, actually playing the game.
when you start shoving on the 2nd hand with no regards to the strength of your hand, you are only trying to get lucky and not trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played. and don't give some bs excuse about that being your play style since you admitted "I'd rather bust early and go to bed ". no true poker player would say this. every true poker player is there to win no matter how long it takes. in fact, many pros have said their goal is to be the best and the money doesn't matter. you, on the other hand, are there to gamble, plain and simple.
then, in the end, you've ruined the game for other people for nothing since you said your play style only works half the time. and, as you offend more and more people less and less will be willing to play with you, so when you show up, they leave and you just lost your favorite gaming
He got lucky early then used his maniac image to bust them. I think its hilarious. Instead of concentrating on learning from the experience they chose to whine like little bitch pups. And if all you know how to do is play your hand strength against what you perceive as their hand strength then you aren't goung anyhere in poker."Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm
Quote: OneManWolfPackI took it all in stride, but never having had this happen before, doing this strategy multiple times in the past, we're they just a bunch of idiots commiserating or was a breaking some bar poker ethic which dictates you must get blinded out and play good poker? I kept it classy for the most part, but how should I deal with a ostile group of crybabies in the future?
I run two bar poker leagues, and know what you're talking about.
Keep playing, but keep it light with the attitude, if it's possible. The opponents you describe clearly do not.
Without knowing what hands you had when you went all-in early, I can't say how right or wrong you were, but it does set the "maniac" image. The opponent's response was classic whining. To contrast, when that happens at my leagues, my response is a very dry "I'll have a receipt for you shortly."
I do have experience with a heavy-handed player who is a jerk. It wasn't the heavy-handed that the players objected to, it was his jerkiness they objected to. The best players also learned how to play against him, and embarrass him right out of the game. (He shoves with A-Q suited, gets called by J-9 off. 4 blanks precede a 9 on the river that hung in the air the way bricks don't.)
I say keep playing, and joke 'em if they can't take a <BLEEP>.
'Brian
Quote: AxelWolfI would have called with the 99 ;)
Yeah that is exactly what I was thinking.
Quote: Stoneyhere's why it's not fun. those other players(and I would include myself if I were there) are trying to play poker. betting based on their hand strength, your expected hand strength, pot size, stack size, calling if they have pick up a tell or betting pattern, etc... you know, actually playing the game.
In that case do not enter a 40BB tourney.
Don't enter a bingo tournament and complain that there's no poker being played.
So the best players call him with bad hands, when they are big underdogs? And he is embarrassed because he gets a bad beat? Sounds like this guy is the best player especially if hes getting people to call him all in with crappy hands against his fair AQ.Quote: gameshowfan
The best players also learned how to play against him, and embarrass him right out of the game. (He shoves with A-Q suited, gets called by J-9 off. 4 blanks precede a 9 on the river that hung in the air the way bricks don't.)
'Brian
What the hell am I missing?
Quote: AxelWolfSo the best players call him with bad hands, when they are big underdogs? And he is embarrassed because he gets a bad beat? Sounds like this guy is the best player especially if hes getting people to call him all in with crappy hands against his fair AQ.
What the hell am I missing?
The social and fun elements. These people are not there to play serious poker, and they all know it.
If you want to test their seriousness, ask them how much they like playing AA. They will uniformly say they hate that hand because "they never win." They lose because they underplay the hand and their opponent got the two or three cards needed, and then remember the "bad beat." They never remember the times they won at show down or everyone else folded.
tl;dr: Don't be perceived as a jerk. It brings out the jerk In everyone else.
So play crappy? I don't know how playing in a manner that is causing others to play horrible is being a jerk. I thought that's the point of poker. Why not just play Go Fish or something.Quote: gameshowfanThe social and fun elements. These people are not there to play serious poker, and they all know it.
If you want to test their seriousness, ask them how much they like playing AA. They will uniformly say they hate that hand because "they never win." They lose because they underplay the hand and their opponent got the two or three cards needed, and then remember the "bad beat." They never remember the times they won at show down or everyone else folded.
tl;dr: Don't be perceived as a jerk. It brings out the jerk In everyone else.
Try the 7 o'clock. If time is a constraint for you, then play the earlier game. Would you be concerned about playing until 11:45 P.M. if you knew that you would be playing final table? Probably not. And yet we cannot guarantee making final table.
There is something to be said, however, about not building up a chip-stack early on and consequentially being blinded out. But pushing a stack that may be 2,000 in chips, 40 BB or not, over a 75-200 chip pot is not worth the risk. Likely you are often coin-flipping your stack heads-up, and if you have big cards then you are losing value each time the table folds to you.
"I took it all in stride, but never having had this happen before, doing this strategy multiple times in the past, we're they just a bunch of idiots commiserating or was a breaking some bar poker ethic which dictates you must get blinded out and play good poker? I kept it classy for the most part, but how should I deal with a ostile group of crybabies in the future?" --OneManWolfPack
I have played many a free-poker game before. There is a bar poker ethic/etiquette that many people play by. Don't raise too much, allow others to limp-in, check to your friends, and only play what others deem as valuable cards. Don't improve your worse hand regardless of the odds given to you. Smile, be polite, have fun.
I do not adhere to this garbage. I don't go around insulting people, but I voice my opinion and defend myself. I play poker the way that I'd like, because that's how I have fun. You don't have to be rude back to these people, but you need to toughen your skin and play your own game regardless of what the barflies think. I personally believe that your playing style may need some reconsideration, but certainly not because I want you to avoid offending other people.
"I'll go back next week and push all in every hand from the start if they are at my table again. If I bust big boy or his lady I will note the reaction." --OneManWolfPack
I would not advise decreasing the quality of your play in order to elicit a reaction out of other players. While I am not beneath certain tactics in order to tilt a table, I would recommend doing so with good, aggressive poker as opposed risky shoving each hand for little reward kind. Trust me, tight-agressive in the right spots will also go a long way in setting their emotional state where you want them.
"Although, I don't know if you were playing terribly well, seems a little over-aggressive, even in the early stages of a tournament when you definitely need to be selectively aggressive." --Mission146
I agree with this. Despite the unfortunate M-ratio that you begin the tournament with in bar poker settings, It is still best to wait for certain hands with a certain amount of money in the pot to risk shoving. You can fine tune how long you wait according to how short-stacked you feel, however, if it really is such that you cannot complete action to the river on a hand without going broke then I would reconsider how much money you are affording to each hand or even the whole tournament altogether. General advice is to start a tournament tight aggressive, and to loosen your range and become increasingly more aggressive as the tournament progressive. This is the time when players are feeling the pressure of the blinds are more likely to fold to you.
"If everybody played the same why play at all? #1 reason to play poker is to win money. If you want them to like you, then change your play, if not Fk'em. I hope you crush them repeatedly." --AxelWolf
I've actually said this first part aloud at the bar to the other players. I've learned slowly however that there is no point in convincing these people. These are the type of people that think that poker is mostly chance, that are there as a social event, that take even money on a blackjack because "it's just too risky". If you want these people to like you, then play conservatively. This is a losing strategy. If you want to be a winning poker player...then commence with the crushing. But in a smarter, more focused way.
"when you start shoving on the 2nd hand with no regards to the strength of your hand, you are only trying to get lucky and not trying to play the game the way it was meant to be played." --Stoney
I agree that in his style of play he is just trying to get lucky, however, there is no set way that a game is meant to be played outside of the specified rules set. There's only winning and losing strategies. Every player has the right to pick and choose.
"then, in the end, you've ruined the game for other people for nothing since you said your play style only works half the time." --Stoney
Poker isn't a team sport, and although I agree that the playing style requires some re-examining, I am certainly not playing a game with other adults for their personal enjoyment. I could be nice, if you would like, but I'd never compromise my playing ability for the sake of another's tender sensibilities.
